DavidH Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Damo666 said: Or an earlier version on the model's development timeline? ... from the previous factory? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Remember how Hornby had what appeared to be the cab of an O gauge 87 on display when they first announced the model, perhaps this was something produced like that on a larger scale so it was easier to look at the detail, maybe this chap acquired it and is now selling it on. Dave has been selling his own personal stuff as well as NQP returned models at shows recently. In the absence of fact we could go on all day about it's provenance and how this plays into the recent narrative. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted May 31, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) Yep, possible - print a big one to see how it looks. Whether it's the seller or the person who printed it for him someone's telling porkies though, they clearly didn't stick a tension lock coupler on as part of the print so it could be dragged, and it clearly isn't engineered from the prototype. I'd still have it though! Edited May 31, 2019 by njee20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 I am starting to think that maybe DJ did an overscale one to check details (a la Hornby 87 as mentioned before). DJ - often taking part in shows - then sold it off at one of them and it was this chap - who is now selling it on E-bay - who brought it from him. If so, doubtless DJ would have explained how the print was done from reversed engineered research from the original prototype, which would explain this chaps comments. I brought a far number of things from traders at shows over the years and don't particulary go off and try to remember them all. The chap might have thought DJ was just another trader and not an actual RTR brand so did not particulary take note of whom he was buying it from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted May 31, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, JSpencer said: I am starting to think that maybe DJ did an overscale one to check details (a la Hornby 87 as mentioned before). DJ - often taking part in shows - then sold it off at one of them and it was this chap - who is now selling it on E-bay - who brought it from him. If so, doubtless DJ would have explained how the print was done from reversed engineered research from the original prototype, which would explain this chaps comments. I brought a far number of things from traders at shows over the years and don't particulary go off and try to remember them all. The chap might have thought DJ was just another trader and not an actual RTR brand so did not particulary take note of whom he was buying it from. Whilst the above is plausible, the listing contradicts it by stating. This took hours of reverse engineering from the real thing and hours of printing. Been sat on my shelf in the railway room since last year and my 3D printing projects have sadly come to an end. The plastic alone cost me £200 and I will never recoup all the cost that went into this, it was just a bit of a challenge. Taking the listing at face value, the seller has clearly stated that he created the .STL file to create the 3D print and also printed it at his cost, thereby claiming ownership. If this were a test print by DJM why do they not have it in their ownership ? or is it possible that several were printed with or without the knowledge of DJM ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, chris p bacon said: Whilst the above is plausible, the listing contradicts it by stating. This took hours of reverse engineering from the real thing and hours of printing. Been sat on my shelf in the railway room since last year and my 3D printing projects have sadly come to an end. The plastic alone cost me £200 and I will never recoup all the cost that went into this, it was just a bit of a challenge. Taking the listing at face value, the seller has clearly stated that he created the .STL file to create the 3D print and also printed it at his cost, thereby claiming ownership. If this were a test print by DJM why do they not have it in their ownership ? or is it possible that several were printed with or without the knowledge of DJM ? This and many other alternatives are probably somewhere in the truth, but we're all making suppositions based on the 3D print looking like the DJM one. It could be the seller did the CAD and the 3D print all by himself, it could be the DJM CAD and the seller had permission to print it, it could be the DJM CAD and he didn't have permission to print it. Maybe he was about to launch his own crowdfunding initiative up against DJM but then he saw how crowded the market was becoming and decided against it, maybe even Heljan have an 0 gauge 92 in planning (heck they have everything else ) that he found out about like Bachmann must have heard about Heljan's Peaks. Edited May 31, 2019 by woodenhead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 54 minutes ago, chris p bacon said: Whilst the above is plausible, the listing contradicts it by stating. This took hours of reverse engineering from the real thing and hours of printing. Been sat on my shelf in the railway room since last year and my 3D printing projects have sadly come to an end. The plastic alone cost me £200 and I will never recoup all the cost that went into this, it was just a bit of a challenge. Taking the listing at face value, the seller has clearly stated that he created the .STL file to create the 3D print and also printed it at his cost, thereby claiming ownership. If this were a test print by DJM why do they not have it in their ownership ? or is it possible that several were printed with or without the knowledge of DJM ? Ah missed that detail. Maybe he worked for the 3D printing company and was handed this project to print. Or he managed to buy the CAD files somehow... Very weird. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted May 31, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2019 When I asked the question he explicitly told me that he didn't print it, nor did he have the CAD. But he would "check with the guy who does his printing" to see if he knew the provenance of the CAD. He said he hadn't heard of Dave Jones or DJModels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted May 31, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, njee20 said: When I asked the question he explicitly told me that he didn't print it, nor did he have the CAD. But he would "check with the guy who does his printing" to see if he knew the provenance of the CAD. He said he hadn't heard of Dave Jones or DJModels. And yet he sells O gauge bearings.....surely even a Hermit would have heard of DJM as with his past announcements of O gauge projects he was given editorial/adverts/announcements in various publications. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Because nobody fibs on eBay. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, truffy said: Because nobody fibs on eBay. Horrible thought - is this whole ebay listing a put-up job, a hoax to troll people?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted May 31, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2019 You've got to love DJM, it's the story that keeps giving and supplies a never ending stream of melodrama and gossip for us all to enjoy! I'm just disappointed other manufacturers fail to provide us with such entertainment. 1 5 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted May 31, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2019 2 hours ago, chris p bacon said: And yet he sells O gauge bearings.....surely even a Hermit would have heard of DJM as with his past announcements of O gauge projects he was given editorial/adverts/announcements in various publications. Yes, I was slightly sceptical to say the least! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted May 31, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 31, 2019 5 hours ago, njee20 said: He said he hadn't heard of Dave Jones or DJModels. Who are they? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted May 31, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2019 6 hours ago, jjb1970 said: You've got to love DJM, it's the story that keeps giving and supplies a never ending stream of melodrama and gossip for us all to enjoy! I'm just disappointed other manufacturers fail to provide us with such entertainment. I think more 'endure' then 'enjoy' at this point 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted June 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 1, 2019 Two pages of speculation about this O gauge print could be ended quite quickly by someone following this link... https://contact.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?FindAnswers&redirect=0&iid=273863732215&requested=designerdashtowels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 30 minutes ago, adb968008 said: Two pages of speculation about this O gauge print could be ended quite quickly by someone following this link... https://contact.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?FindAnswers&redirect=0&iid=273863732215&requested=designerdashtowels Don't be daft - the speculation is far more interesting... 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted June 1, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 1, 2019 That of course assumes the seller responds. In many cases in my experience they often don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheres_Wally Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: Two pages of speculation about this O gauge print could be ended quite quickly by someone following this link... https://contact.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?FindAnswers&redirect=0&iid=273863732215&requested=designerdashtowels If you read the thread, several people have, and been answered. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted June 1, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) Think it’s just me, but yes, he responded very promptly denying any knowledge of Dave’s model (although he followed up saying he googled it and it appeared a far better model than his) and maintaining it was a CAD from the prototype. However, in contradiction to his listing he says the CAD and the printing was done by someone else, so ultimately he doesn’t know the provenance. I assume he’s saying as much to avoid having to explain why he/his associate has one of Dave’s CADs, which is fine. I’m a bit gutted it has bids, at £100 I’d have had it straight away! Edited June 1, 2019 by njee20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 On 31/05/2019 at 15:21, jjb1970 said: You've got to love DJM, it's the story that keeps giving and supplies a never ending stream of melodrama and gossip for us all to enjoy! I'm just disappointed other manufacturers fail to provide us with such entertainment. I hope it ends better than Game of Thrones. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidH Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) On 01/06/2019 at 11:16, adb968008 said: Two pages of speculation about this O gauge print could be ended quite quickly by someone following this link... https://contact.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?FindAnswers&redirect=0&iid=273863732215&requested=designerdashtowels Embarrassing 'mansplaining' posts could also be avoided by reading prior pages on this thread Edited June 2, 2019 by DavidH 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted June 2, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 hour ago, DavidH said: Embarrassing 'mansplaining' posts could also be avoided by reading prior pages on this thread Thing is, if that was adopted across the web you'd then be able to read the entire internet in a day and a half. Not going to happen.... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, JSpencer said: I hope it ends better than Game of Thrones. What's Game of Thrones? .... OK, I've heard of it but can honestly say I've never seen one episode!! Sinbad was enough in the 60's without another rehash!! Al. Edited June 2, 2019 by atom3624 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 18 minutes ago, atom3624 said: What's Game of Thrones? .... OK, I've heard of it but can honestly say I've never seen one episode!! Sinbad was enough in the 60's without another rehash!! Al. No have I . But I understand it ends with everyone gathering round a big barbeque 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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