sir douglas Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I suppose it could be argued that is 3 days at an average of 8 hours, less lunch breaks. But to do 10 hours of solid modelling I take my hat off to you. let alone hour many hours in total we lost from being shushed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signalist Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Presumably on the basis that it would not take too long to lay a simple oval or two - maybe a misjudgement - bear in mind the first shown program was the last made maybe the use of Setrack became more prevalent as the series went on. Getting the basics wrong track wise on Walford was an obvious own goal. What seemed odd was people messing around with wiring close to the end of time and surely a simple oval would only need a limited number of wires. The tracklaying misjudgement was just a few millimetres. The big problem was that it took so long to get the brand new trains running that a big chunk of the scenery had been built before we had two trains running and noticed the conflict - the test loco ran round without a problem. With hindsight we should have just popped out and bought a couple of tank engines with copper chimneys and some wagons and we might have been in with a chance! I don't think anyone appreciated that we had dual voltage EMUs - none of us were in the mood to scratch build a couple of sets of 313s. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 The tracklaying misjudgement was just a few millimetres. The big problem was that it took so long to get the brand new trains running that a big chunk of the scenery had been built before we had two trains running and noticed the conflict - the test loco ran round without a problem. With hindsight we should have just popped out and bought a couple of tank engines with copper chimneys and some wagons and we might have been in with a chance! I don't think anyone appreciated that we had dual voltage EMUs - none of us were in the mood to scratch build a couple of sets of 313s. I am enjoying the series for what it is but to be fair "appreciating dual voltage EMU's" is not really part of the criteria of the public enjoying a reality TV show. They are interested in a train working whether it be Stephensons Rocket or a Eurostar. I am into original Tri-ang TT and BR steam, green diesels accepted (no full yellow ends and no blue diesels allowed) but I love watching the show for what it is and the creativity of the contestants. I don't really see what dual voltage EMU has to do with a model based on Walford which is non existent anyway. You put on a good show, and to be fair the "rush" job on track laying in my mind was the deciding factor of winning or not. Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pteremy Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Remarkeable. It took 507 posts before someone mentioned "broad church". As it is usually a euphemism for "anything goes" I shall look forward to seeing the show when I get back to the UK next week. No that isn't true. 'Broad church' simply means recognising and allowing for a range of views on any issue. But that does not mean 'anything goes'. The difficulties that arise here on RMWeb and elsewhere generally turn on how a particular view is expressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pteremy Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 So I watched this episode with my wife and daughter. They both work in creative professions - book publishing and TV/Film respectively. My wife's first comment was - 'but surely these things take months...'. Once I had explained the format they watched it happily for what is is. They both predicted the winner based on the need for things to work, whatever the aesthetics. When it ended my wife even said that she was 'pleasantly surprised'. On that basis it is successful Friday night family viewing. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmorgan_cym Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 None of the participants seemed to be spending valuable modelling time on RMWeb... There's appears to be an impasse in the building room with team 3, Mark can you explain what's going on? Yes, we're just taking some out to rage on RMWeb that Hornby have got the shade of grey wrong on it's lastest Dutch Livery 31s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmorgan_cym Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Joking aside. There appears to be a pattern forming. 1 team quite a serious approach (Missenden, track ninjas) 1 team ambitious and off the wall, sci fi, porthcawl. 1 team measured building approach, strangers and the black adder mob. You can sort of spot who's going win. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 An excellent and entertaining programme last night, they all did very well and the best team won. What more could you ask for? Much better than the programme which followed it... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Well there you have it! I hope you enjoyed the show. Really was an amazing and enjoyable experience, but very challenging at the same time. Was amazing to see all three layouts in the flesh (the cameras do not do them justice), especially "Walford", the towerblock was superb! Here's a few pictures of "Go Forth" taken during the filming. I've also got a Vlog Style video on the way, that will hopefully give you guys an insight into the behind the scenes of the show, and the making of the layout. I thoroughly enjoyed last night's second episode and, as a big fan of the Blackadder Goes Forth show, I was intrigued to see how Callum's team would incorporate features from the show. Without doubt, their layout was the pick of the bunch with plenty of operating features and cameos from the show. Congratulations to them. The bunker, crashed Lord Flashart plane, Red Baron and the field hospital all raised a smile. I am not a fan of Eastenders, but I felt that the team capture the scenes from the series very well. It is great that the series is showing that model railways can draw inspiration from all sorts of areas - including television programmes. The Dr Who layout also looked great - but for reliability the Blackadder layout was a worthy winner. I personally think that the show has been thoroughly enjoyable and cannot understand some of the more negative comments that have appeared on here at times. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 No that isn't true. 'Broad church' simply means recognising and allowing for a range of views on any iss2ue. But that does not mean 'anything goes'. The difficulties that arise here on RMWeb and elsewhere generally turn on how a particular view is expressed. Although not yet back in the UK and hence not yet seen the show, references here to sci-fi, dinosaurs, aeroplanes, bombs, etc. does rather imply that, despite the title of the programme, anything goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted October 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) One of the things you will all need to bear in mind is that last nights show wasn't the first to be filmed. It was, in fact, the last heat filmed. They are being aired in the heat order: 5, 2, 3, 1, 4. So last nights show is the most polished in terms of production and judging. Decisions made in what you saw on Friday night were based on the experience of 12 or so days of doing other heats and the production company learning what needs to be done, what to shoot, what to ask, how things work. So much stuff that was actually filmed has been left out and they were really cramming in the bits of the programme to make it all fit. But as with all things commercial television based, you have 48ish minutes Most of the questions asked have had an answer. But a few notes I'll add as a competitor; The layouts were taken away after filming. I would imagine that the winning layout will be exhibited at Warley as it is two weeks after the final airs, but that is an assumption. Mattford (our layout from the heats) will be appearing at the CMRA show in Stevenage January next year, along with Ealing from Missenden (as seen last night). If you think Missenden interpreted the rules well you wait until you see some of the other scratch build offerings! It's not cheating as I can state the rules did not specify the size of the scratch build items. I went on the show to try and portray modelling in a favourable light. It's all very well saying they will make a mockery of us and it will ruin the hobby. But unless you do something to try and change that view.... The layout we completed looks very much like a layout 5 people took 3 x 8 hour days building with a very small amount of prep work before hand and I am quite proud of what we achieved. I will properly stand by that in January, Well done to all three teams on Ep 1, good luck to the rest of us. Are we allowed to know the coming topics outline themes to go with the heats order info' above? Not a problem if it is embargoed info' but it would be nice to know. (Apologies if that has been posted and I missed it.) Edited October 13, 2018 by john new Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted October 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) Although not yet back in the UK and hence not yet seen the show, references here to sci-fi, dinosaurs, aeroplanes, bombs, etc. does rather imply that, despite the title of the programme, anything goes. Some here will disagree with this comment but all of those items were relevant, and contextually appropriate, in the week shown. The contestants were given a broad theme within which to construct a layout - the specific interpretation of that theme then being theirs. Edited October 13, 2018 by john new 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signalist Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I am enjoying the series for what it is but to be fair "appreciating dual voltage EMU's" is not really part of the criteria of the public enjoying a reality TV show. They are interested in a train working whether it be Stephensons Rocket or a Eurostar. I am into original Tri-ang TT and BR steam, green diesels accepted (no full yellow ends and no blue diesels allowed) but I love watching the show for what it is and the creativity of the contestants. I don't really see what dual voltage EMU has to do with a model based on Walford which is non existent anyway. You put on a good show, and to be fair the "rush" job on track laying in my mind was the deciding factor of winning or not. Garry It is all about the detail really for us. Anyone can lay a circle of track, plonk in a pub and terraced houses and say 'That's the East End'. We were adding detail so that it looked a bit like it could be a real place and as railway modellers the railway was believable too. We were told we would be up against the best modellers, and the judges were looking for detail - so detail we did! Anyone who is a fan of Eastenders would know their way around Albert Square and we included as much as we could find short of breaking in to the Elstree set and measuring up. All the buildings were in the correct place with respect to one another, the bus was the correct model, we had trains that you might see north of the river in the last thirty years (not easy to find suburban trains for London north of the Thames ready to run). It would have been nice to model Bromley by Bow station where the real filming for Walford East is done - but overhead catenary was well out of budget and would never have been completed in the time, so we just did something that fitted the space and budget and was believable. It was the judges we were trying to please. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 What it did bring home to me is that it’s actually quite hard to make our hobby exciting and interesting to the public. It struck me it’s a little like playing squash, fun to do but horrible to watch * * more adult versions available I've just watched ep 2 properly and am impressed. It's not meant to be a how to of railway modelling but they're showing us enough to illustrate its scope. Someone got over the "it's not a train set" message without sounding precious about it and the skills involved are being respected. A shame we didn't hear from the two female team members as the best thing we could do for the hobby would be to take it out of the perception that it's exclusively male. Watching someone else cook is usually a fairly dull pastime but that hasn't stopped any number of successful TV programmes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Morgan Posted October 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) Are we allowed to know the coming topics outline themes to go with the heats order info' above? Not a problem if it is embargoed info' but it would be nice to know. (Apologies if that has been posted and I missed it.) The full list was posted here, but quite some time ago. Next week, it is 'Globetrotting'. Edited October 13, 2018 by Ian Morgan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 It is all about the detail really for us. Anyone can lay a circle of track, plonk in a pub and terraced houses and say 'That's the East End'. We were adding detail so that it looked a bit like it could be a real place and as railway modellers the railway was believable too. We were told we would be up against the best modellers, and the judges were looking for detail - so detail we did! Anyone who is a fan of Eastenders would know their way around Albert Square and we included as much as we could find short of breaking in to the Elstree set and measuring up. All the buildings were in the correct place with respect to one another, the bus was the correct model, we had trains that you might see north of the river in the last thirty years (not easy to find suburban trains for London north of the Thames ready to run). It would have been nice to model Bromley by Bow station where the real filming for Walford East is done - but overhead catenary was well out of budget and would never have been completed in the time, so we just did something that fitted the space and budget and was believable. It was the judges we were trying to please. Just a thought, if you had your time again, would you choose a different tactic. For instance a certain disgraced TV celebrity painted large pictures with big brushes very quickly. Whilst they were no master pieces within a few mins there was a clearly identifiable backscene for the song that followed. From what I have seen the program wants a model which can be identified and that works, with a few quirks thrown in for good measure. It must be hard competing in a new program not quite knowing what is required and have nothing to measure it by. If there is a second series the new contestants will have a clear advantage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siltec Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I hope everyone realises that if this series really takes off then model railway gear will be on the shelves in your local supermarket. Evidently Lakeland, a specialist supplier of cooking items is suffering as many of the products that only a specialist stocked are on the shelves of the Supermarkets. As a show it is good effort. My other half enjoyed it with zero interest in model railways. I know it might not appeal to rivet counters, but it is certainly going to promote the hobby. Not sure if Peco will be on sale in Tescos, but Bachmann and Hornby train sets??? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmorgan_cym Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I think all layouts need dinosaurs. Will this lead to.sone new articles in BRM and possibly a sub forum on RMWeb?? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharris Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Not sure if Peco will be on sale in Tescos, but Bachmann and Hornby train sets??? Apparently the series has arranged a marketing tie-in to sell model railway gear alongside a well known brand of tea. Because you only get an OO with Typhoo. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDJR7F88 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 For those who have not seen it yet, here's my Behind the Scenes video of our team (The Railway Video Divisions) time on set at Fawley Hill. A look Behind the Scenes of our Team (The Railway Video Division) debute on the "The Great Model Railway Challenge", featuring the construction of our "Black Adder" inspired layout, "Go Forth". Joined by fellow YouTubers 82A Studios, Bluebell-Railway Hawks, Northern Soul Express, plus Adrian and my Grandfather, we take a look at our experiences during the filming of Heat 2, where we were tasked with the construction of a layout, based on a 'TV Show' Theme. Hope it's of interest! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfK6U0KwP3s 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signalist Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Just a thought, if you had your time again, would you choose a different tactic. For instance a certain disgraced TV celebrity painted large pictures with big brushes very quickly. Whilst they were no master pieces within a few mins there was a clearly identifiable backscene for the song that followed. From what I have seen the program wants a model which can be identified and that works, with a few quirks thrown in for good measure. It must be hard competing in a new program not quite knowing what is required and have nothing to measure it by. If there is a second series the new contestants will have a clear advantage It is hard even with hindsight to choose a different path. I think that the big difference would be to try and scrounge some known working rolling stock and work it into the theme! That way we could do some testing prior to the build so that we know the Faller road system will work. The track was being laid on the pre-build (the little bit that was on the flat) before we had got hold of the stock from being weathered (there was a lot of focus on weathering in the rules). If we had used loco hauled trains we could have had a bigger choice of motive power and would have had something that could make it up the inclines (probably should have used the GOBlin with some 170s and forgotten about the underground - I have a couple of 170s). Probably would have had a bit less focus on detail and height too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 *Dinosaurs* - possibly a sub forum on RMWeb?? Arguably there are some long-running topics that cater for this admirably. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 and my Grandfather, For me, the shot of you both walking away at the end spoke volumes. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) Another cracking episode. I can't still get my head around the use of the word "artist" in the introductory v/o which instantly kicks the "nerds playing trains" recieved wisdom into touch. This weeks tower block in the EastEnders themed layout was spectacular, makes the seven storey 1960s Faller kit built "Euneda House" which I've got ready for "Wednesford" look a tad undernourished. One thing those who criticise or carp about the format seem to forget. It's prime time, Friday night railway modelling on a terrestrial channel. Not 3pm on an arts and crafts based Dustbin Lid channel, but Friday night prime time. The slot usually held by absolute dross like Big Brother. I'd rather see this than the alternatives such as the Ginger Whinger and his hyperactive Ritalin deficient acolytes shouting inanely at each other, or the seriously psychotically deranged Noel Edmonds dumping fluorescent green slime on people with a moron in a giant pink inflatable suit bouncing around behind him, which was typical Friday or Saturday prime time telly not long ago. Even Tim Shaw, who I admit can be a bit "Marmite" does genuinely seem to be impressed not just by the "wow" factor moving animations, but also some of the simpler yet effective ways some of the "Scratchbuild Challenge" contestants use their items, such as the exploded shells from the copper pipe this week.I just hope that if any members of the public are persuaded to visit their local model railway show on the back of this series get to meet exhibitors who latch onto their interest, and can positively build on that interest with an engaging chat about techniques and suggestions, rather than some of the more self important, so far up themselves they part their hair when they fart types we've all no doubt encountered on, thankfully, rare occasions.PS Was slightly disappointed not to see a Crossroads themed layout this week. After all my former magnum opus "Kings Oak" not only had the motel, although the walls were rather more sturdily built if the truth be told, but had a film crew filming Adam, Gill and the Ghost of Meg Richardson chatting outside the reception. Nothing new under the sun as they say. Edited October 13, 2018 by wombatofludham 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Next weeks challenge is to model Dawlish, contestants will throw a bucket of salty water over a moving model train - and keep it running - (no voyagers then !!!). Not a bad episode last night, viewable. Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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