Steamport Southport Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Sorry to hear that, I'm just wondering what they'll leave off KGVI! As for speculation, a lot of the fun has gone out of it this year, with locos initially announced as being with us Q3 last year and not a sight of them yet, though AN example of a Nelson and A Streamlined Coronation has just squeezed in by the end of the year. With my Cynical hat on, perhaps the "eyeopener" is that the follow up Nelsons and Coronations have been cancelled? Anyhow. As you said, there's five and a half days to go for the big reveal. I'll just wait and see. The bell? Oh sorry! Wrong KGV.... Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2019 There was also the GWR vacuum pipe which was definitely 6106's. The problem is Dapol have announced a Prairie so it might have been quietly dumped. Jason Which would be a real problem. Going by their recent efforts a large prairie from Hornby would be a well worth buying exercise several times over for me. The CAD that Dapol showed was a total disaster and if it was any indication of their research capability when it comes to large prairies they could make a stack of them a mile high before I'd buy even one (the ex-Wills kit is still out there). Wait and see. If Hornby were well advanced on their project one look at Dapol's CAD will have been enough to forestall any thoughts of 'problem' and the need for a rush announcement of pre-existing intention.. Exactly so. assuming a 2019 release then Hornby development would have started in 2017 and by the time the Dapol CVAD appeared matters would have been well advanced. Only an idiot would be frightened off by that Dapol effort and a wise man would be making sure that his well advanced version was near the head of the production queue to beat the dud to market as well as totally outclassing it. Sometimes poorer examples do sell well but only if they get in first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted January 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2019 Maybe it's time to retool this? Cheers, Mick It's time to retool that with a sledge hammer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted January 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2019 Which would be a real problem. Going by their recent efforts a large prairie from Hornby would be a well worth buying exercise several times over for me. The CAD that Dapol showed was a total disaster and if it was any indication of their research capability when it comes to large prairies they could make a stack of them a mile high before I'd buy even one (the ex-Wills kit is still out there). Exactly so. assuming a 2019 release then Hornby development would have started in 2017 and by the time the Dapol CVAD appeared matters would have been well advanced. Only an idiot would be frightened off by that Dapol effort and a wise man would be making sure that his well advanced version was near the head of the production queue to beat the dud to market as well as totally outclassing it. Sometimes poorer examples do sell well but only if they get in first. I'm not in the market for a large prairie any more, having discovered that they were only active at Tondu for a few months at the very beginning and very end of my set period, but a really good model might tempt me. But Hornby will have to be spot on the money if they attempt this, and absolutely nothing of the old Airfix loco must remain in the tooling; this will have to be brand new all the way from the wheels up. And the Dapol team seem to be doing their possibly belated best to up their game in response to comments from the likes of Miss Prism and your good self, Mike, with others. I'm now expecting the Dapol large prairie to be a pretty good model when it comes out. I'll be following the saga with interest, as I do with all GW and WR items, but I'd rather see a brand new 2721, with a deployable canvas cover for the cab. Not much chance of that, I suspect! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovex Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I'd rather see a brand new 2721, with a deployable canvas cover for the cab. Not much chance of that, I suspect! Would that be dcc operated?? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) Which would be a real problem. Going by their recent efforts a large prairie from Hornby would be a well worth buying exercise several times over for me. The CAD that Dapol showed was a total disaster and if it was any indication of their research capability when it comes to large prairies they could make a stack of them a mile high before I'd buy even one (the ex-Wills kit is still out there). Exactly so. assuming a 2019 release then Hornby development would have started in 2017 and by the time the Dapol CVAD appeared matters would have been well advanced. Only an idiot would be frightened off by that Dapol effort and a wise man would be making sure that his well advanced version was near the head of the production queue to beat the dud to market as well as totally outclassing it. Sometimes poorer examples do sell well but only if they get in first. All true, but, it seems that Dapol have been taking on-board much expert advice/correction since their initially disastrous CAD images were posted. I suspect that all (or at least, most) of the issues raised will have been addressed long before any metal is cut. Dapol can do locos very well indeed (their B4 is cosmetically equal to Hornby's much-lauded Peckett and mechanically superior) and I consider that Hornby would be unwise to assume the Prairie will necessarily be inferior to anything they can produce. If they did, the truth behind the hackneyed advice not to could be demonstrated once again. Even if such a model is revealed next week, I'll stick my neck out and say that Hornby will definitely not have begun work on a new large Prairie after Dapol announced theirs. They really can't afford a duplication right now should the competition turn out to be even half-decent and beat theirs to the shops. It might be that Hornby have been planning to replace their ex-Airfix museum piece ever since they first needed to but, if so, it's spent a couple of decades on the back-burner. John Edited January 2, 2019 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I am not entirely convinced there is much mass market appetite for more Southern tender locos at the moment. I have been quietly thinning out my OO scale Southern Region steam over the last few weeks and locos such as Standard 4Mt/5MT, modern tooling Schools and Bachmann N class and going for little money I have found. How could you possibly have missed the demands for a South Eastern 4-4-0 ? D, L, D1, E1, L1 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I have been quietly thinning out my OO scale Southern Region steam over the last few weeks and locos such as Standard 4Mt/5MT, modern tooling Schools and Bachmann N class and going for little money I have found. All types which have been over-produced for many years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeHunter Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Steam: LMS 2P to current standards Princess new tooling including scope for turbomotive Deisel LMS pioneer 0-6-0 diesel Coaches More of the same - several re-releases Freight LMS fish van Something eye catching: Hornby enters the O gauge market with a scaled up stream lined Duchess and an A4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2019 Which would be a real problem. Going by their recent efforts a large prairie from Hornby would be a well worth buying exercise several times over for me. The CAD that Dapol showed was a total disaster and if it was any indication of their research capability when it comes to large prairies they could make a stack of them a mile high before I'd buy even one (the ex-Wills kit is still out there). Exactly so. assuming a 2019 release then Hornby development would have started in 2017 and by the time the Dapol CVAD appeared matters would have been well advanced. Only an idiot would be frightened off by that Dapol effort and a wise man would be making sure that his well advanced version was near the head of the production queue to beat the dud to market as well as totally outclassing it. Sometimes poorer examples do sell well but only if they get in first. And that’s the crux of the matter....getting in first.If Hornby have this in development they have a history (remember the Q6?) of stealing a march on a rival version and getting it right.I go with Mike on this one and yes the B4 is a sweet little number I know. The ongoing problem as ever with Hornby is QC and I don’t mean cheap sherry.I have little doubt that if a Large Prairie is produced it would not disappoint.Top marks to Dapol though,they are a company on the rise and have the potential to surprise us wth quality models. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Inter-City Executive liveried Mk3 TSO, Buffet and FO for loco haulage using the newest tooling from Hornby with the flush tinted glazing, silver window frames and new NEMs (the new GwR green Mk3s look very nice and for around £31 are a bargain). I think they still stand up compared to the new Oxford Rail Mk3a in some key areas if not quite the definitive model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted January 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2019 Steam I'll go for the Princess Royal updated to the Coronation standards. Maybe a LNER big tank loco too. Coaches filling in the LMS gaps. Dosent need explaining really. Diesels? Been a few years since a new 1st gen DMU/EMU. But which on. Left field. The return off the Much missed. Design Clever! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted January 2, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 2, 2019 What I expect - a Princess, a Manor, a Q, and a contemporary EMU. What I’d like - a Stanier or Fowler 2-6-2T, a J17, a C2X and an Oerlikon EMU. Bit of a disjoint there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireline Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 ...Left field. The return off the Much missed. Design Clever! I wasn't aware it had ever gone away.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greslet Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 How about a NER J21 or J26/27, these would go nicely alongside the Q6 and the planned G5 from TMC, all in use from WW1 to the end of steam, so loads of livery possibilities.....and how about some NER 20T wooden coal hoppers, these were in use for a similar period, and used in their 100s by the NCB into the 1990s. But it’s Hornby, and these aren’t used on the Southern, so zero chance! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) Something eye catching: Hornby enters the O gauge market with a scaled up stream lined Duchess and an A4 Yes if Hattons can contract out to China for manufacture of their A3 and A4 in O gauge, then why not Hornby following suit? Edited January 2, 2019 by Pandora Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 How could you possibly have missed the demands for a South Eastern 4-4-0 ? D, L, D1, E1, L1 ? . Yes, there are still plenty of Southern Region locos still to do - and IF they still sell well then they will be attractive to the manufacturers. What is required is profitable locos and that is more important than any particular region. The only people who know which type of model is profitable are the manufacturers, and POSSIBLY a few shops and specialist media people. I hope that my wishes coincide with their analysis of future sales, but if not I care more that they produce models that give the companies a (REASONABLE) profit - that way lies a future for the industry. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) Ace or Darstaed make some 0 gauge coaches with a clerestory roof that can be changed for a conventional roof and this may be a good idea for Hornby to follow. Hornby could make a generic coach which Hornby could produce in a variety of pre-grouping liveries to match Hornby's pre-grouping locomotives and in the Big Four liveries. In the 1970s one of my friends made a convincing ex LSWR pull push set by replacing the clerestory roofs with conventional roofs, putting windows at the brake end and repainting the coaches malachite green or crimson lake. I bought some Hornby LMS crimson lake clerestory coaches to convert to Southern region pull-push coaches but I decided to keep them as they looked too good to alter. Back to the Sixties! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Cannot believe I am reading this. You are suggesting Hornby produce generic / freelance / non specific coaches in non authentic liveries which will inevitably cost at least £35 upwards per vehicle ? How many do you think would sell ? Tell you what Robin, you get Hornby to produce some decent GWR or BR(WR) non corridors for the rest of us, then we will respray you a few in the colours of your choice. Is that a deal ? Edited January 2, 2019 by Covkid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Cannot believe I am reading this. You are suggesting Hornby produce generic / freelance / non specific coaches in non authentic liveries which will inevitably cost at least £35 upwards per vehicle ? How many do you think would sell ? Far too many, unfortunately. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Cannot believe I am reading this. You are suggesting Hornby produce generic / freelance / non specific coaches in non authentic liveries which will inevitably cost at least £35 upwards per vehicle ? How many do you think would sell ? Thousands probably in each of hundreds of liveries . You overate how many modellers strive for accuracy and how many just like trains for the sake of enjoying them . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) And that’s the crux of the matter....getting in first.If Hornby have this in development they have a history (remember the Q6?) of stealing a march on a rival version and getting it right.I go with Mike on this one and yes the B4 is a sweet little number I know. The ongoing problem as ever with Hornby is QC and I don’t mean cheap sherry.I have little doubt that if a Large Prairie is produced it would not disappoint.Top marks to Dapol though,they are a company on the rise and have the potential to surprise us wth quality models. But if Dapol were to get theirs to market a year ahead of Hornby and it was "good enough" to satisfy the market (I think they all had top feeds, so there's a month of wittering avoided ), it would hammer another nail into a coffin-shaped red box. The only way Hornby could be certain of a new Large Prairie not being a commercial disaster is by knowing that it (if indeed there is one) had already been a couple of years in development when Dapol announced theirs. Personally, I think a LMS 2-6-2T would be a better bet, Fowler in preference to Stanier for me, but even if they did an Ivatt, they'd at least know what they were up against. John Edited January 2, 2019 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted January 2, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 2, 2019 ...and how about some NER 20T wooden coal hoppers, these were in use for a similar period, and used in their 100s by the NCB into the 1990s. But it’s Hornby, and these aren’t used on the Southern, so zero chance! Hornby have been all over the place with their recent wagon selections and we've had the LNER steel hoppers and several variants of the LMS/BR coke hopper, so I would certainly not eat my hat (it's a good hat anyway) if an NER 20t hopper were to appear. It would doubtless be a belter with the interior detail the Slaters kit lacks. I would prefer to see more variations on the 21t steel hopper theme, but that's just me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) Thousands probably in each of hundreds of liveries . You overate how many modellers strive for accuracy and how many just like trains for the sake of enjoying them . They're already got enough of them in the range though. We don't need new ones. Besides they've already got the 1980s Clerestories in the Railroad range. No need to resurrect models that were deemed past it in the 1970s. They looked terrible in the train set they released with the old B12. This one. http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_details.asp?itemid=3969 Jason Edited January 2, 2019 by Steamport Southport Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) Thousands probably in each of hundreds of liveries . You overate how many modellers strive for accuracy and how many just like trains for the sake of enjoying them . Knock 'em out in Railroad boxes for £20 and you'd sell plenty, even without labelling them Annie and Claribel. They'd only need to be a similar spec to the old Tri-ang Mk 1. Shorter chassis, (two, one with gangway and one with non-gangway ends) assorted sides and optional clerestory and non-clerestory roofs. They could even do 6-wheelers with a non-functioning middle wheelset like the Chivers Fish van kit. Maybe something that would actually work if sold as CKD only. My razor-saw is dripping with polystyrene dust in anticipation. John Edited January 2, 2019 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted January 2, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) Cannot believe I am reading this. You are suggesting Hornby produce generic / freelance / non specific coaches in non authentic liveries which will inevitably cost at least £35 upwards per vehicle ? How many do you think would sell ? Tell you what Robin, you get Hornby to produce some decent GWR or BR(WR) non corridors for the rest of us, then we will respray you a few in the colours of your choice. Is that a deal ? Well the Clerestory has appeared in MR, LNER and GWR liveries , not so far away from what Robin is suggesting . As far as I know these weren't met with howls of derision . Clearly selling these at £35 a go wouldn't work but you could have a generic compartment coach in the Railroad range @ £20 a pop . I still run a rake of Graham Farish OO LMS non corridor coaches from 1978. They don't look half bad and that was a generic design . If I could pick up some GWR ones like them I would be quite happy. Edited January 2, 2019 by Legend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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