RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 The forthcoming Bachmann range includes a brake composite - https://www.hattons.co.uk/337549/Bachmann_Branchline_34_800_Bulleid_brake_composite_10_Vents_in_BR_green_Price_is_estimated_we_will_notify/StockDetail.aspx The announced 64ft Brake composite by Bachman is the version that were paired with a Brake third to make the two coach R sets these differed slightly to the ‘loose’ versions used on the multi portion West of England services. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2019 I'm presuming Era 4 = suitable for Era 5 as well? I'm glad these have been done. It saves me from having to build the Phoenix kits I have, which I only ever managed to get one close to completion, and the amount of fettling I had to do makes me shiver even now, several years later... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) What tooling? All that is shown is a 3D print from the CAD. You're right, I meant the 3D print/EP, they may well have just dumped it on any old chassis too for all I know. What I was trying to get across is that the release date says April, there might be delays, they might have to make detail changes, and the date might get pushed back, but there is something in existence to show that maybe they will be here by the projected release date. Better than a smack in the face with a shovel, wouldn't you agree? Edited January 7, 2019 by Jack P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) The coaches were organized into 3-coach sets: brake third + composite + brake third. Hornby are producing 4 sets - 2 in SR livery, and 2 sets in BR livery, all with different running numbers. Does anyone have the Hornby part number SR/BR set number information. This announcement has come as a a much welcome blessing (along with the diagram 1543 van) as I model the summer of 1947 SR at Padstow and the Bachmann 64' coaches would not really be correct. The only thing missing from my (unpublished) wish list is an early full cab West Country. Edited January 7, 2019 by autocoach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 Does anyone have the Hornby part number SR/BR set number information. See Post #15 of this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Quite right. But all some of us care about is product release date, not semantics. April sounds good to me. Maybe Hornby will surprise us with an update in the Engine Shed, or just wait until release. But my point, such as it was, is that April is awfully close for a model that *may* only be at the 3D print stage particularly given China soon shuts down for 3 weeks, though I do hope that Hornby can deliver to their schedule. For comparison Accurascale just posted to their Facebook page pictures of their Cemflo wagons in production at their factory in China - and they are due in April as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) See Post #15 of this thread. Per earlier Post: Southern Hornby Set Compo Brake 1 Brake 2 Compo Brake 1 Brake 2 S965 5711 2845 2846 R4882 R4884 R4884A S973 5719 2861 2862 R4882A R4884B R4884C I will let a BR era modeler do their thing.... Edited January 8, 2019 by autocoach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Maybe Hornby will surprise us with an update in the Engine Shed, or just wait until release. But my point, such as it was, is that April is awfully close for a model that *may* only be at the 3D print stage particularly given China soon shuts down for 3 weeks, though I do hope that Hornby can deliver to their schedule. For comparison Accurascale just posted to their Facebook page pictures of their Cemflo wagons in production at their factory in China - and they are due in April as well. Worth considering that Andy took the photos about a month ago. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 The 3D print sample certainly suggests the former layout (twin batteries per side). post-1-0-77279400-1545641091_thumb.jpg Although, the CGI profiles hint at single batteries, diagonally opposed. post-1-0-70047600-1545641328.jpg Note also the different detailed sides for the two different eras. The latter having recessed door top-lights, differing commode handles and reinforcing beading over body panel joints. If reproduced onto the models, it will be an astonishing attention to detail. Well done Hornby. I'm not convinced by your 'hint' of single batteries : each should be larger than half the early-style battery so the RH support for the near one shouldn't be central .......... but I hope you're right ! ........... and I hope they find some NO SMOKING stickers for the appropriate windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I’m glad the cat is out of the bag now having been discussing these 59ft versions with H and the very different 64ft versions already announced bt the blue boxers for a few years. Which just leaves the four sets of side-door Bulleids on the long underframe !!?! ......................... perhaps we can leave these to the 'kitbashers' ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 Which just leaves the four sets of side-door Bulleids on the long underframe !!?! ......................... perhaps we can leave these to the 'kitbashers' ! Bachmann aren't doing all the longer length Bulleids besides the ones you mention by any means. For one thing, the BCK is the 2-set version, and they aren't doing the loose-stock type that has the toilets in completely different places (and which are needed in multiple if one wishes to run an Atlantic Coast Express), or the BRCW ones, or any of the catering vehicles etc. etc. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Bachmann aren't doing all the longer length Bulleids besides the ones you mention by any means. For one thing, the BCK is the 2-set version, and they aren't doing the loose-stock type that has the toilets in completely different places (and which are needed in multiple if one wishes to run an Atlantic Coast Express), or the BRCW ones, or any of the catering vehicles etc. etc. John Yes, you certainly need multiple toilets for a journey of that length ...................................... OK, indeed there are a number of other Bulleid coach options to keep the kitbashers busy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 Would be nice if Hornby are doing them as sets to maybe color code the box for each set?.The set numbers should be on the ends of the brakes, as per BR SR practice.http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/2526/2526.html I believe in the past the set number was on the Hornby box too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Hi, Does anyone know when the Southern Malachite sets were repainted by BR? (I guess debranding took place in 48/49). Rgds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 Hi, Does anyone know when the Southern Malachite sets were repainted by BR? (I guess debranding took place in 48/49). Rgds I suspect they would have been repainted in crimson and cream first before getting BR green, as in this example here from 1956 https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railways-British-Isles/SR-and-BRS/Bulleid-original-MNs/i-tQqtJgr/A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 Hi, Does anyone know when the Southern Malachite sets were repainted by BR? (I guess debranding took place in 48/49). Rgds See here for details https://grahammuz.com/2019/01/07/Hornby-announce-2019-range-including-brand-new-bulleid-59ft-coaches-and-ex-lswr-diagram-1543-20-24t-brake-van/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Hi, Does anyone know when the Southern Malachite sets were repainted by BR? (I guess debranding took place in 48/49). Rgds John Harvey can probably help : https://hmrs.org.uk/publications.html?book_author=12511 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acourtrail Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I am glad that Hornby are doing these coaches (or more accurately the Club I belong to will glad - as they are modelling Yeovil Junction roughly 1945 - 1965). Now if only Farish would do these in N - I already have some of the nice "later build" ones - and some "multi door" stock would give me some variety. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie Whizz Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Well spotted! Perhaps someone should tell them. Chris KT Pound to a penny a certain Mr A B S***n is filling his fountain pen with green ink already ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Pound to a penny a certain Mr A B S***n is filling his fountain pen with green ink already ... Surely not ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR Neal Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 The announced 64ft Brake composite by Bachman is the version that were paired with a Brake third to make the two coach R sets these differed slightly to the ‘loose’ versions used on the multi portion West of England services. Graham, I am interested in putting together an ACE West of England service, do you know what diagram was used for the 'loose' coaches? I was hoping the new Bachmann BCK's would be suitable. Thanks in advance, Cheers Geoff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavy Man Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Graham, I am interested in putting together an ACE West of England service, do you know what diagram was used for the 'loose' coaches? I was hoping the new Bachmann BCK's would be suitable. Thanks in advance, Cheers Geoff The loose brake composites were built to diagram 2406. Some of these vehicles survived until September 1968 in BR maroon. The brake composites which ran with semi open brake thirds for the West of England route were built to diagram 2405. These sets stayed together until the end of steam working on the Waterloo - Exeter route in 1964. Regards 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) Graham, I am interested in putting together an ACE West of England service, do you know what diagram was used for the 'loose' coaches? I was hoping the new Bachmann BCK's would be suitable. Thanks in advance, Cheers Geoff The loose brake composites were to diagram 2406 rather than 2405 as used in the 2 coach R Sets (as being produced by Bachmann). The interior was different on the loose coaches with the toilet located in the middle of the coach rather than the end. edit just to say my post crossed with Tavy Man's above Edited January 8, 2019 by Graham_Muz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 I suspect they would have been repainted in crimson and cream first before getting BR green, as in this example here from 1956 https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railways-British-Isles/SR-and-BRS/Bulleid-original-MNs/i-tQqtJgr/A C/C would be my preference. I find green coaches running through green countryside rather boring aesthetically. Hopefully they will arrive sometime. The loose brake composites were built to diagram 2406. Some of these vehicles survived until September 1968 in BR maroon. The brake composites which ran with semi open brake thirds for the West of England route were built to diagram 2405. These sets stayed together until the end of steam working on the Waterloo - Exeter route in 1964. Regards It would certainly be sensible for someone to commission maroon Bulleids from Bachmann. They were used on the ECML and in Scotland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 C/C would be my preference. I find green coaches running through green countryside rather boring aesthetically. Hopefully they will arrive sometime. It would certainly be sensible for someone to commission maroon Bulleids from Bachmann. They were used on the ECML and in Scotland. I don't think Bachmann are doing either of the diagrams that carried maroon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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