Bedlington North Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Never, but Accurascale, pending hard evidence to show you, attempted to give you a more general answer (which may help inform other potential customers as well). You were unsatisfied with that answer, a couple of us pointed out you can wait and see exactly what they will be offering vs the rival offering and decide then on the strength of the evidence. You have to give some kudos to the quality of Accurascale's detailed work on their wagons to date to give you some perception of the level of detail they will offer on their locos surely? Until the release of their first UK outline wagon had there ever been an RTR OO gauge wagon with so many detailed individual parts? They have kept the standard up with each subsequent wagon and they have also been quick and proactive in making necessary change to prototypes, livery samples etc to improve the final quality of the finished product. It seems like you are trying to corner them into saying something right now, that's all.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bedlington North said: You have to give some kudos to the quality of Accurascale's detailed work on their wagons to date to give you some perception of the level of detail they will offer on their locos surely? Absolutely. I am not doubting Accurascale's ability to deliver a quality model - I saw the samples for the PCA wagons at Warley and very fine they looked too. I have since ordered a rake (or two) for myself, so I have no doubts in that respect at all. 1 hour ago, Bedlington North said: It seems like you are trying to corner them into saying something right now.... Perhaps I am. And okay, call me old-fashioned, but personally I don't see that expecting a manufacturer to know the specification of his/her forthcoming product to be all that unreasonable. But okay, let's assume that it is perhaps too early to know the complete spec, then a simple, "Sorry, it's too early, we don't know yet", would have been more direct instead of what I interpreted to be a complete around-the-houses sales pitch, which to me if anything is a bit of a 'red rag to a bull', as they say, so if nothing else left me feeling a tad 'fobbed-off'. I guess that's just the way I am wired, but hey! That's all I'm saying really to be fair. Edited March 17, 2019 by YesTor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted March 17, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) Hi everyone, Firstly, there is no problem at all asking questions about our current or future models we have announced, in fact we welcome these questions and will always do our best to answer them where we can. It’s not just about delivery of a sales pitch, though I can understand how cynicism can creep in having seen the carry on of some other manufacturers in recent times. This cynicism is part of our motivation to interact with modellers on RMWeb and to get involved in the British market in the first place, as we had enough of the carry on too. We like to be transparent and up front and that’s all Stephen was doing with the enthusiasm we carry as at the end of the day; we’re modellers too and we’re very excited at what we are doing. Now Al, to answer your queries as best I can. I will not speak about any other companies Class 92s in the interest of respect. All I can do is comment about our own one. Our 92 will be dripping with detail in the roof area (as well as elsewhere), we were rather lucky in this age of H&S gain access to the roof and faithfully measure, document and survey the all roof elements and pantographs. We have surveyed two locos for completeness and have almost 1,000 photographs from these surveys. We have worked with the likes of Brush and GBRf. What’s more, we will be using a combination of lots of etched and separate parts to detail the roof as it is a critical area. We are currently adding finesse to the CAD work in this area (the final bit to be completed) and will gladly show it to the world when it is fully finished within the next two weeks so then you will be able to make your mind up how you feel about it, but we are about pushing this hobby forward, we simply aren’t putting our name to something half baked. It’s just not our style. You can check out our Deltic update from earlier this week to see the level we work towards. Our new cemflo s have over 100 parts per wagon, to do the roof of the 92 as a one piece lump just is not our style. At the end of the day, you have a choice, and as a consumer that is the perfect world. Just remember that Accurascale is not a crowdfunder (not directed at anyone in particular, just some guys seem to think we are) and this 92 will happen, no matter what. You can place an order with a deposit with us, but if you change your mind further down the line, that’s okay too, we will happily refund. We will have stock too so you can always wait if you prefer. Oh and yes, we are looking at turned brass for the horns. Hope this helps! Cheers, Fran Edited March 17, 2019 by 071 10 1 1 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Hi Fran That is a much more precise answer to the specific queries raised. Thank you. cheers Al 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanach Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 On 11/02/2019 at 16:14, The Black Hat said: While this does look excellent I do feel for another company that had identified this as a model that would be viable and had started down the road of producing one. I'm sure this will be an excellent model, but also think that some main companies need to brace themselves. A class 37 and 47 is sure to follow... I sure hope a 37 is to folllow ! Seeing as how nobody has yet managed to get one anywhere near right ! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted March 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2019 That certainly would be great Meanach. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted March 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2019 As much as I really want one, I’m going to pass on the Class 92 (though I’ve ordered a Class 55) as it doesn’t fit my modelling location of the present day joint line between Peterborough and Lincoln. I really do hope you follow these two loco’s with a equally detailed Class 37 or 47 with different variants, or even how about a HST with the different styles of buffet and restaurant cars, illuminating door indicator lights (if fitted) and other numerous details. l know that a HST would be a “devil in the detailing” nightmare but if anyone could do it, I’m pretty sure it would be you guys. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I’m going to grab the off-topic ball and run with it. (Perhaps when we get back OT, everyone will be a little calmer.*) I have two Deltics; one Lima and one Bachmann. The Lima has been fettled a little and the Bachmann is reasonable. Nevertheless, I intend to get an Accurascale Deltic. I have a 92; the Hornby Stobart one mentioned above as it happens. It is awful. I was delighted to see Accurascale taking it on. The track record of the manufacturer of the rival product made me give that one a miss. I am more likely to go for multiples of the 92 than the 55. The point is, just how big is the market for a superb new 37, 47 or HST when there are models available which are not awful?† In this regard, the sales of Hatton’s 66 and Hornby’s Lord Nelson will be instructive. For my own part, I am looking forward to Dapol’s 59 with more eagerness. A historically important class if ever there was one and only a very old model available. What is there left to bag which has appeal? A 90 is on the way and an 88 is contemplated. Are oddballs viable? Kernow seems to have got it right as the Bulleid diesels and A-1-A Warships seem to be vanishing quickly. On the other hand, the DJ 74 was cancelled due to lack of orders. What about the early AC electrics? Appetite for AC electrics is growing, fed by new 85s, 86s, 87s, 90s and, er, um, oh yes! 92s. Just how well these would sell is still conjectural. Then, of course, there is steam. Whilst there are new builds, there have been no new designs since the BR Standards. For all that, the well of steam classes is practically inexhaustible. * I think metal horns are desirable. The plastic ones on my Hornby 60 have suffered. † In my view. I realise that other views are adhered to with passion. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2019 8 hours ago, meanach said: I sure hope a 37 is to folllow ! Seeing as how nobody has yet managed to get one anywhere near right ! Rumour has it that such might not be far off - but I haven't got a clue who is allegedly going to announce it so back to the Class 92. 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleander Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 quick qestion . In the discription of the class 92 it says works pantograph. Does that mean a little motor raising and lowering them ? or does it mean you can run power throught them ? john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted March 17, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, oleander said: quick qestion . In the discription of the class 92 it says works pantograph. Does that mean a little motor raising and lowering them ? or does it mean you can run power throught them ? john Hi John, It means raising and lowering, not power through them. Cheers, Fran 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 4 hours ago, 071 said: Hi John, It means raising and lowering, not power through them. Cheers, Fran I do hope it won't have an unrealistic second lower arm, it completely spoils the look of what is otherwise a very accurate pantograph. Even if it does, I hope it's going to be designed such that it can be disconnected easily (for those like me who want an accurate representation of a BW-HS pantograph). Cheers! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Western Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 15 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: Rumour has it that such might not be far off - but I haven't got a clue who is allegedly going to announce it so back to the Class 92. DJM ? 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleander Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Hi Fran Thanks for the info John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 For those who might be interested. today's Dolland's Moor- Ebange working was worked by a GBRf example, heading a DB red example. The pair worked back, still coupled together, an hour or so later. Does this mean DBC don't have enough serviceable examples? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Accurascale Fran Posted March 22, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2019 Hi everyone, Here's a sneak peek at our pan for the 92. This as you can see has been slimmed down to a more prototypical appearance than initial CAD renders and shows the level of detail we are going to. It's still a work in progress with additional bits still to be added, but should give you an idea of what level of detail is going into the roof. We should have more sneak peeks of that in the coming days! Cheers, Fran 20 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 19 hours ago, Fat Controller said: For those who might be interested. today's Dolland's Moor- Ebange working was worked by a GBRf example, heading a DB red example. The pair worked back, still coupled together, an hour or so later. Does this mean DBC don't have enough serviceable examples? The same pair worked through again this morning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted April 3, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2019 Hi everyone, Let's do another 92 sneak peek since the last one of the pan was so popular. Here is some of the roof detail... More to follow very soon, so keep an eye out for further updates! Cheers! Fran 9 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted April 3, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) On 21/03/2019 at 17:55, Fat Controller said: For those who might be interested. today's Dolland's Moor- Ebange working was worked by a GBRf example, heading a DB red example. The pair worked back, still coupled together, an hour or so later. Does this mean DBC don't have enough serviceable examples? I thought the DBC ones had lost their Network Rail certification (sure it's not called that!), so they can't go beyond Dolland's Moor/HS1. That roof detail looks superb, and the pantograph looks very promising. Tempted as a display model... Edited April 3, 2019 by njee20 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFR Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Very promising. 100% buying one of these. As soon as I can make up my mind which one. Or two. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Great pictures on Facebook earlier and some humorous replies. Mine (and my deltic) is on order, bit I'm getting closer to ordering a couple more. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted April 3, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2019 Ah sure go on, have another (feeling generous this evening haha) Cheers! Fran 6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted April 3, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Accurascale Fran said: Ah sure go on, have another (feeling generous this evening haha) Cheers! Fran Tease....saw GBRF heading a 66 on freight heading south on WCML last Sat. Eye catching combination. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDBLUE17 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Hi Fran, thats looking superb. Seriously tempted to get a 3rd one but will need to wait and save a while. all the best Mark 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brittannia Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 On 18/03/2019 at 03:30, Great Western said: DJM ? Booring 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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