Butler Henderson Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Wonder how well it will run in reverse with the coaches with a "chain link" coupling. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said: Wonder how well it will run in reverse with the coaches with a "chain link" coupling. Probably the same as everyone else's models that have proper couplings. Absolutely fine. Jason 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Steamport Southport said: Probably the same as everyone else's models that have proper couplings. Absolutely fine. Other than these have no buffers so the chain link would need to be rigid and lock into place whilst still pivoting otherwise the tender and coaches will be rubbing on each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2020 We'll have to wait and see eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 32 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said: Other than these have no buffers so the chain link would need to be rigid and lock into place whilst still pivoting otherwise the tender and coaches will be rubbing on each other. Is rigid chain a bit like pushing on string ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 For those interested, there are a good few pictures in Hornby's Engine Shed Newsletter, this is a link to it. https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/news/the-engin...phensons-rocket If that is giving problems, try this one... https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/news/the-engine-shed/ If it goes to the Hornby website again, you can navigate straight to the Engine Shed on the drop-down from Community. Quite a bit of detail to be seen in the many pictures. It's also worth scrolling, way down the page, to the pictures of the DCC decoder fitting. It looks like they used a Hornby 6 pin, so other makes of decoder should be even smaller. The Decoder will need a harness to connect to the Hornby 6 pin socket. A ZN6D Zen from DCC Concepts has a small stay-alive, which might be useful, but whether there is room, I don't know. There seems to be space between the two PCBs. [??] Regards Julian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted February 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1, 2020 17 hours ago, Gibbo675 said: Is rigid chain a bit like pushing on string ? No.....a bit like pushing on RIGID string Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, boxbrownie said: No.....a bit like pushing on RIGID string ..... They do look a bit like that. I've not seen any couplings quite like them and they do look like chain, but rigid [plastic?]. They don't have to be rigid, as the coaches do have buffers {the Tender doesn't 'though}, like the older 1980s ones. Perhaps the magnification makes them just look that way?? Julian Edited February 1, 2020 by jcredfer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amand Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 5 hours ago, jcredfer said: It's also worth scrolling, way down the page, to the pictures of the DCC decoder fitting. It looks like they used a Hornby 6 pin, so other makes of decoder should be even smaller. The Decoder will need a harness to connect to the Hornby 6 pin socket. A ZN6D Zen from DCC Concepts has a small stay-alive, which might be useful, but whether there is room, I don't know. There seems to be space between the two PCBs. [??] Regards Julian The challenge will be DCC sound! The smallest Zimo decoder is 5mm longer than the Hornby decoders (the R7150 looks to be the same as the R8249 with just 6 wires and matching plug). Might be possible to hard wire and hide the decoder under the chassis of the tender and put some variant of "sugar cube" type speakers in the water barrel. That's assuming a suitable sound can be sourced. Hoping Paul Chetter gets a Rocket set to play with 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 . I REALLY don't like the joint across the middle of the water barrel - it makes a good model look awful. . 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 52 minutes ago, phil gollin said: I REALLY don't like the joint across the middle of the water barrel - it makes a good model look awful. I agree - what they ought to do is supply an alternate solid barrel, something their for someone else to consider offering especially if they could get it colour matched; strikes me the 6 pin decoder socket could have been placed under the barrel either vertically so that a small 6 pin decoder would be hidden by barrel when dropped on top or horizontally with a redesigned coal load that hid the decoder. Problem is Hornby have no such thing so its obviously been designed for what they have rather than what is available from others. Interesting that the comparison photo with the old model does not show the old tender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) Horizontal planks and no join in the ends, though it looks split top to bottom. Edited February 1, 2020 by BernardTPM 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 I reckon one off the Airfix/Dapol one could be fitted easily enough, with the ends mounted as horizontal planks. I seem to remember these ends were separate discs in the kit? Stewart (Apologies for suggesting modelling.....) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSG Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 The horizontally split barrel is a pre-release sample. The catalogue image for the production version doesn't have a visible joint. https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/l-mr-stephenson-s-rocket-train-pack-era-1.html 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 1 hour ago, stewartingram said: I reckon one off the Airfix/Dapol one could be fitted easily enough, with the ends mounted as horizontal planks. I seem to remember these ends were separate discs in the kit? Yes, they were. Might even be the same diameter. 14 minutes ago, MarkSG said: The horizontally split barrel is a pre-release sample. The catalogue image for the production version doesn't have a visible joint. https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/l-mr-stephenson-s-rocket-train-pack-era-1.html Interesting. Wait and see, I guess! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 12 minutes ago, MarkSG said: The horizontally split barrel is a pre-release sample. The catalogue image for the production version doesn't have a visible joint. https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/l-mr-stephenson-s-rocket-train-pack-era-1.html That image is a CAD render rather than a physical model so will be "perfect" in showing all the joints as perfect. I think as the model they showed in Engine Shed was fully complete and showed how DCC fitting is carried out I think it can be assumed it's the final product. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 This is what happens when we complain about long lead times. Models appear without being scrutinised by the experts and sharp-eyed on here and are too far advanced to be corrected. Possible ways to deal with the split. Some Dapol wagons have a prominent seam on the inside floor; not there on the prototype. I solved that by flooding it with the paint I used to repaint the interior. Difficulty: Colour matching. Very carefully gouge out the lines between the horizontal planks to match the groove. That would need more skill than I have and wouldn’t correct the appearance of the barrel ends. Oh dear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Suspect sales of the Dapol kit may explode simply to get the barrel. I doubt once Hornby "resolved" where the decoder would go they would have made a change; after all sales of various steam locos do not seem to have been affected by the stupid horizontal join down the sides of the boiler. Maybe their should be an annual award for the dumbness feature of a new release although this seems to have competition from Bachmanns MR 0-4-4T which apparently has traction tyres Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 31 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said: Suspect sales of the Dapol kit may explode simply to get the barrel. I doubt once Hornby "resolved" where the decoder would go they would have made a change; after all sales of various steam locos do not seem to have been affected by the stupid horizontal join down the sides of the boiler. Maybe their should be an annual award for the dumbness feature of a new release although this seems to have competition from Bachmanns MR 0-4-4T which apparently has traction tyres Another possible solution. Problem: colour matching. I like the annual award idea. Despite the idea that all publicity is good publicity, I think it might draw manufacturers’ attention to features which should be improved. Past winner: Hornby 87 for its lighting, its DCC and sound provision and its pantograph. Oscar Wilde almost said, “To get it wrong once [Class 71] may be regarded as a misfortune … to get it wrong twice [Class 87] seems like carelessness.” It seems that it is too late to wish for the MR offering not to have rubber wheels but I do hope that your wall is rubber. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 No colour matching problems if someone to run it on a layout as being the 1979 replica as that often has a black barrel and paining the supplied one black might disguise the join i.e. https://locoyard.com/2013/08/31/early-railways/231-2013-national-railway-museum-york-the-great-gathering-stephensons-rocket-replica/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 For those worried about the horizontal seam on the barrel, maybe someone like @RThompson (hope I've tagged the right person), who has made some wonderful etched kits to upgrade locos like the Sentinels can offer a pair of circular etches with grooves etched into it. They can be simply laid over and glued to one side only and you'll still be able to remove the top half. I've already set about doing the etch drawings for myself, I'll resize it once I get my hands on Hornby's new Rocket. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted February 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2020 56 minutes ago, MGR Hooper! said: For those worried about the horizontal seam on the barrel, maybe someone like @RThompson (hope I've tagged the right person), who has made some wonderful etched kits to upgrade locos like the Sentinels can offer a pair of circular etches with grooves etched into it. They can be simply laid over and glued to one side only and you'll still be able to remove the top half. I've already set about doing the etch drawings for myself, I'll resize it once I get my hands on Hornby's new Rocket. Or you could always just score a couple of circles of plasticard for the same effect. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 An etch is the obvious way to do it, minimising the thickness. Now if the etches could be pre-painted in a matching yellow too that would be ideal. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Looking at the photos of the measuring taking place at the NRM wonder if they measured the open coach up for a future addition. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 I would be interested in buying some open coaches as I had a ride in one by the Royal Albert Hall when the Rocket was running in about 1980 and the Rocket also appeared with some open coaches on the Bluebell Railway shortly afterwards' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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