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The windows are slightly tinted, not clear.

 

That is.. they aren’t as tinted as Mainline/ Dapols Mk2Ds..

 

5 functions on the decoder..

F0 tail lamp on/off

F1 tail lamp flashing

F3 interior lights - Guards compartment for BSO

F4 interior lights

F5 Door loco lights side A (if fitted)

F6 Door lock lights side B (if Fitted)

 

 

If your on DCC I can imagine f5/6 being a lot of fun in cameos !!!

 

Interesting, especially the CDL lights - I'm presuming these will only be fitted on the Exec livery DCC fitted versions ? 

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not sure the first releases of the exec ones have the CDL lights.cant see any on the Rails website images.

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Strictly speaking exec liveried Mk2Fs shouldn't have CDL lights and reset switches, they didn't have them fitted until they were in Swallow.

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I purchased one FO from Monk bar Models, York, this afternoon, the DCC version, and it is stunning. The glazing seems nice and flush, just lightly tinted, and the lights, both the saloon lighting and the tail lights are not too bright. I think, especially, the saloon lighting is much better than Hornby's Mk2e lighting, with the vestibules not left in darkness. The bogies have separately applied brake shoes, with the wheels painted in a rust colour, and the pick ups for the lighting are not apparent when the carriage is on the rails. The bogies are a good improvement upon the previous models of the B4 bogie from Bachmann. Of course there are no CDL's since at that early stage in their careers they were not fitted.

So, in short, a most excellent model, with a good paint finish and true to life colours. I can't wait to finish the rake with the TSO's, which are due in a week or so according to what was said in the shop.

 

Regards,

 

Rob.

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Strictly speaking exec liveried Mk2Fs shouldn't have CDL lights and reset switches, they didn't have them fitted until they were in Swallow.

 

Doh ! of course your correct, that's why I couldn't spot them on Hatton's photos, the only Swallow version shown so far (RFB) does not appear to have them either ?  The photos of the Exec BSO show the brandings / no's reversed - at the wrong ends, hopefully the models won't arrive like that..................

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The person that sprayed those recognised that afterwards and I thought it had been corrected for later viewings on the Bachmann stand

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It will be interesting to see if the height of these matches their MK1s or their existing MK2s!!

 

Regards Rob

 

Have ordered two DBSOs (including 2 x DCC chips I did not want or need :nono:), just hoping the match the height of my Lima Mk3s.

 

Have 10 x 47/7s ready and eager to get paired up with them

 

St Andrew, St Mungo, St Cuthbert, Waverley, Sir Walter Scott, Greyfriars Bobby, Lady Di,  Grampian Region, Haymarket and the latest addition Duke of Edinburgh Award.  The latest was according to a former driver I was speaking to at Ayr the other weekend, the fastest of them all.

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The photos of the Exec BSO show the brandings / no's reversed - at the wrong ends, hopefully the models won't arrive like that..................

This was a fault on the paint sample and on the paint spec (which was missed for about 3 months, including by me, which is why the painted sample was incorrect).

 

All this was about 6 months ago, if the releases are wrong then Bachmann have no excuses because I know for a fact they they have been told.

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Lovely coaches - though fitting the details is the usual fiddly ordeal.  

 

Has anyone yet succeeded in reprogramming them on DCC?  I have an ECoS, and simply get an error message when I place the coach on the programming track and try either to read from or write to the decoder (I having ticked the "Accessory Decoder" option first).  I am wanting to:-

(i)   change the decoder address from the default 3 to something else; and

(ii)  explore the CVs (and, in particular any brightness CV - since, to my eyes, the interior lighting is too bright).

 

Any help gratefully received.

 

Peter

 

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You could try treating it as a normal decoder. My logic being this is a function only decoder, ie no motor control, rather than an accessory decoder which would be for points and signals.

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Earlier this week I had suspicions about the fit of the 2F main windows, the angled photos in the Rail Express review

suggested they were slightly recessed? Nevertheless, you don't bite off your nose to spite your face, curiosity

killed the cat, and giving the product the benefit of the doubt, it was time to see some in the flesh, so I ordered

three Foxtrot Oscars. They arrived at lunchtime today, and overall I have to say they look fabulous, good shape, nice

straight bodies, good shade of Rail Blue, although I wouldn't want the pearl grey any darker. The goodies bag of

add-on bits is amazing, although the metal detail removal tool, which only works on one of the two types of add-ons,

is slightly bizarre, wouldn't it be easier to remove things by just pushing them out from the inside?

The bogies look good, with the correct dampers for Mk2F, picked out nicely in blue for ex-works,

although in reality these would soon be plastered in brake dust (hurray for blackened RTR wheels). The Roe-vac roof

vents are far more accurate than Hornby's interpretation, end detail is good, although IMHO the gangway folding doors

could have been a bit more mushroom soup colour, although they are good enough.

Finally, we are back to the windows, they are ever so slightly more recessed than they should be, but it's very

border-line, most modellers will be satisfied with them, it's only old fusspots like me, who might quibble? It's more

noticeable on the loo windows, the saloon windows do have a fish-tank effect around their outsides, but like the fit,

it's only obvious when viewed at an angle. Personally I feel the saloon windows should have a deeper tint, but I can

accept a modelling compromise so that the interior can be viewed, with the interior lights off. The transverse saloon

partition glazing has a couple of unfortunate round mould marks visible, but that really is splitting hairs.

I hope these words encourage RMwebbers to buy them, they are worth their weight in gold, i'll certainly now buy the

TSOs when they appear. If I get time, i'll do some comparison photos with their Hornby 2E cousins, if I can find a 2E

after just moving house. If I can cheekily dare to award points, i'd say 95 out of 100.

Cheers, Brian.

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Lovely coaches - though fitting the details is the usual fiddly ordeal.  

 

Has anyone yet succeeded in reprogramming them on DCC?  I have an ECoS, and simply get an error message when I place the coach on the programming track and try either to read from or write to the decoder (I having ticked the "Accessory Decoder" option first).  I am wanting to:-

(i)   change the decoder address from the default 3 to something else; and

(ii)  explore the CVs (and, in particular any brightness CV - since, to my eyes, the interior lighting is too bright).

 

Any help gratefully received.

 

Peter

They are probably like the Bachmann 4-TC, and probably other models, where the programming track will only recognise a model with a motor in it. So basically you have to put the chip you want to use in a loco, change the address, try some guess work with the CVs and then put the chip in the coach. At least you should know the programming parameters for all the other chips needed for the coaches once you have got the first one correct (but any other chips will also have to be set up in a loco first).

 

The first two I'm expecting soon from a box shifter won't have this problem. No lights, so no DCC, price £46.71 each (plus postage).

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You could try treating it as a normal decoder. My logic being this is a function only decoder, ie no motor control, rather than an accessory decoder which would be for points and signals.

 

Thank you; your advice was spot on.  Decoders renumbered.  Just got to figure out the CVs now.  But thank you for your help.

 

Peter

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Does it not work too if you put both the unnoticed but dcc coach on the same programming track as a dcc loco, can you not program it then?

 

Obviously changing the loco back separately afterwards

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.............. If I can cheekily dare to award points, i'd say 95 out of 100.

Cheers, Brian.

 

Thanks Brian, most interesting.

 

I had expected Bachmann to have gone for an LM Region prefix for the first release, instead of an Eastern Region one. A slightly bizarre choice perhaps given the recent arrival of the Hornby Class 87 and their own earlier Class 85. They do look very nice though.

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wonder what was behind the decision to release the First Open first for the coaches unless thats just how the cookie crumbled??

 

Is it a tactic to try get a good wadge of sales before the more popular seller (the open seconds) come along?  Just thinking of the earlier non air-con Mk2s (mk2z?) where all the box shifters had stacked of 1sts and Brake Corridor 1sts gathering dust and ending up in the bargain bin.

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it might not be intentional, it might just be what came out the factory first (perhaps production runs fitting in slots limited in some way that FO's would fit, TSO's wouldn't)

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Thanks Brian, most interesting.

 

I had expected Bachmann to have gone for an LM Region prefix for the first release, instead of an Eastern Region one. A slightly bizarre choice perhaps given the recent arrival of the Hornby Class 87 and their own earlier Class 85. They do look very nice though.

 

Bachmann has a history of producing E prefix coaches before any others, which applies across the board - Mk1s, Mk2/2a and now Mk2f.

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I hope these words encourage RMwebbers to buy them, they are worth their weight in gold, i'll certainly now buy theTSOs when they appear. If I get time, i'll do some comparison photos with their Hornby 2E cousins, if I can find a 2Eafter just moving house. If I can cheekily dare to award points, i'd say 95 out of 100.Cheers, Brian.

I was already considering them, but after reading your review, I'm even more interested. But are they available without interior lighting? Haven't really checked.

 

They are probably like the Bachmann 4-TC, and probably other models, where the programming track will only recognise a model with a motor in it. So basically you have to put the chip you want to use in a loco, change the address, try some guess work with the CVs and then put the chip in the coach.

I didn't have any issues programming my 4-TC. Just put it on the track and did what I normally do when I program my locomotives.

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They are probably like the Bachmann 4-TC, and probably other models, where the programming track will only recognise a model with a motor in it. So basically you have to put the chip you want to use in a loco, change the address, try some guess work with the CVs and then put the chip in the coach. At least you should know the programming parameters for all the other chips needed for the coaches once you have got the first one correct (but any other chips will also have to be set up in a loco first).

Hi

 

I use an ESU decoder tester for this purpose. Plug the decoder in to the decoder tester, setup the values I require then install the decoder in the relevant vehicle.

 

Cheers

 

Paul

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Thanks chaps,

Yes LU Fan, both blue-grey FOs with lights (39-650DC), and without (39-650) are currently available.

My three were all without lights, I was tempted to buy the with lights version, but a rake would look a bit

odd without an illuminated Mk1 catering car, if modelling the mid-1970s era. The (39-650) no lights version

still come with split-axle wheels and bearing pick-ups, so you could always add your own lighting at a later

date, although for the sake of an extra £20-odd, Bachmann's DCC version has done all the hard work for you. BK

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I now have three FOs. Much has been said already so I shall keep this brief. These are in my view without doubt the best Mark 2 coaches of any type produced in 00.  :good:

 

I would not change anything although I would have preferred LMR numbers. They are in a different class altogether to the Hornby Mark 2e stock.  

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