Ron Heggs Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 A first time coach build in plasticard/styrene for my Manchester Central layout Background - The MSJ&AR introduced the 1500v DC EMUs in 1931. The units were built by Metropolitan-Cammell to LMS designs. The three car sets were formed from three different types of coach, all with the same dimensions. The coaches were all non-corridor compartment style, with metal clad timber framed bodies Motor coach - Weighing 57 tons, seating 72 third class passengers, with a guard's compartment, and a driving compartment. It had a pantograph on the roof and the motor bogies Trailer - Weighing 30 tons, seating 40 first class and 48 third class (later modified to 24 first-class and 72 third-class) Driving Trailer - Weighing 31 tons seating 108 third class, with a driving compartment, and also contained a 'ladies only' compartment At peak times, six–coach trains were formed from two units with a motor coach at each end The livery was mid dark green with gold/yellow lettering They were provisionally classified as Class 505 by British Railways The trains ran between Manchester London Road (later Piccadilly) and Altrincham The last 1500v DC train was the 23.35 from Oxford Road on Friday 30 April 1971 The coaches were – 58’ 1” overall length - body 61’ 8” length over buffers 8’ 113/4” overall width – body 12’ 43/4” height rail/roof 38’ 6” bogies centres 8’ 9” motor bogie wheel base 9’ 0” trailer bogie wheel base - Taking details from a number of pictures (published and off the internet). A basic drawing was made of the Trailer Composite Coach body - Section - with allowances for plasticard/glazing layers From this drawings, outline drawings were produced for the Cameo cutter - Part typical outer body detail The results from the cutter in 20 thou styrene - Two outer sides, two inner sides, four glazing location strips, 2 ends and 10 compartment dividers, of which two will back the end pieces Floor, solebars and buffer bar next Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 This is gonna be good Ron! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted April 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2014 Hi Ron You're not hanging about then! SS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted April 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2014 Ron, How did you get your cutter to cut out 20thou, mine will only do 10thou! Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJChurchward Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I have a strong suspicion Cameo sales are going to increase significantly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I was considering creating on these units, by cut and shut, of the Dapol suburban coach kits. I think your approach is more likely to produce an result! I will follow this with interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted April 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2014 Hi Ron The LMS diagrams for these coaches are in the Jenkinson and Essery, "The Illustrated History of LMS Standard Coaching Stock" Vol 3. Would they be of help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted April 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2014 I was considering creating on these units, by cut and shut, of the Dapol suburban coach kits. I think your approach is more likely to produce an result! I will follow this with interest. Hi Andy I had also looked into using either the Airfix/Dapol or the old Graham Farish LMS suburbans for these and the LMS Southport and North London 3rd rail trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 Hi Ron You're not hanging about then! SS Just filling-in time between each beam detailing process on the MSJ&AR viaduct bridge Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 Ron, How did you get your cutter to cut out 20thou, mine will only do 10thou! Andy G I didn't - I cut four times then clean out carefully with a 9mm blade Stanley knife Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 Hi Ron The LMS diagrams for these coaches are in the Jenkinson and Essery, "The Illustrated History of LMS Standard Coaching Stock" Vol 3. Would they be of help? Hi, Clive Thanks for the info. Will try and get a copy Some of the detail just isn't visible in the many pictures of the units Cheers Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 Compartment Dividers, Body Ends fixed to 40 thou floor. Inner layers fixed and glazing location strips fitted - Inner layers to be painted next - light/mid brown to imitate timber Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Ron you have a PM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted April 20, 2014 Author Share Posted April 20, 2014 Channel solebars made up from 20 thou x 100 thou web and 20 thou x 60 thou flanges fixed to 60 thou x 140 thou buffer beams The solebars carried continuous stepboards fixed via L shaped brackets Stepboard 20 thou x 120 thou strip - Brackets 10thou x 20 thou strip Two pipes ran along the offside solebar sat on the lower flange below the stepboard - the inboard pipe bends upwards and into the body close to the ends. The outboard pipe bends downwards and then under the solebar (need to find out what the pipes' functions were) All these items will need painting before assembly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Can I clarify something with you please? The inner side is 20thou and is curved for the turnunder. You have two strips of 20thou to act as window spacers then intend to have a 20thou outer side, also curved? Don't you need a third strip of 20thou along the bottom of the side? Out of interest, what solvent are you using? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted April 20, 2014 Author Share Posted April 20, 2014 Can I clarify something with you please? The inner side is 20thou and is curved for the turnunder. You have two strips of 20thou to act as window spacers then intend to have a 20thou outer side, also curved? Don't you need a third strip of 20thou along the bottom of the side? Out of interest, what solvent are you using? Hi, Mike Yes, I have used a 20 thou x 40 thou strip for the bottom spacer Solvent is MEK, used with a size 00 brush Cheers Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Thanks. Following with interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Hi Ron. Does the cutter thingamyjib cut "half etch" the door gapsnor is it just a cutter? Smashing start on the unit too and an approach I've not seen before. Very nice. Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Yes you can use it for "half etching". The blade depth is adjustable so you can set it for a shallower cut e.g. less than the thickness of the styrene. In practice it takes several passes to heavily cut 20thou styrene so it is enough to do a couple of passes at full depth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 What sort of price do they go for? They appear to be a really useful idea..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted April 21, 2014 Author Share Posted April 21, 2014 What sort of price do they go for? They appear to be a really useful idea..... Hi, Sean The Silhouette Cameo which comes with a 305mm x 305mm cutting mat is approx £270 on Amazon. The slightly smaller version the Silhouette Portrait is approx £140 with a cutting mat 216mm x 280mm (A4) You might find this thread useful http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/79025-a-guide-to-using-the-silhouette-cameo-cutter/ Cheers Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted April 21, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 21, 2014 I got my Cameo from here. http://www.mdpsupplies.co.uk/silhouette-cameo-packs.asp?gclid=CN60kN378b0CFRDItAodKhAA4g I ordered it on the 5th Dec and delivered next day, still not had much chance to play with it though. SS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Thanks chaps. A very interesting piece of kit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted April 22, 2014 Author Share Posted April 22, 2014 Fixed the solebars and bufferbeam/headstocks complete with twin runs of pipework (20 thou styrene rod). Also fitted another layer of 40 thou x 28.5mm x 75mm styrene under the floor at each end between the solebars as a strengthening for the bogie attachment points. Constructed the angle truss work from 20 thou x 40 thou and 20 thou x 20 thou strip - In a bit of a fix now trying to obtain the appropriate colour paint - model shops which number about a dozen in the whole of Spain don't stock the paint - importing from the UK is nigh impossible except by road/ferry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted April 22, 2014 Author Share Posted April 22, 2014 Drawings for the Driver Trailer and the Motor Trailer - These drawings are only at the stage for enabling the cutting of the sides for each coach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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