piranha230 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 They are too have a special drive unit, that is being used on the new class 158,170,117,121, 170,171 and any other future multiple units they do that will allow a normal full interior to be modelled, similar too the new realtrack class 156. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted November 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2018 I wish Bachmann had done the Class 121 Driving Trailer Second to go with the single car. They could have done it as a boxed set and a fairly easy model to recreate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I wish Bachmann had done the Class 121 Driving Trailer Second to go with the single car. They could have done it as a boxed set and a fairly easy model to recreate. Bachmann could still do it; if not as a boxed set. Seems like a good idea to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I wish Bachmann had done the Class 121 Driving Trailer Second to go with the single car. They could have done it as a boxed set and a fairly easy model to recreate. Isn't this the same body as a Class 117 DMS. (but different underframe)? I expect it will appear in time but best let the 121 appear before Bachmann take the next steps. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75B Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 As you rightly say the Class 121 DTS has the same body as the Class 117 (I believe these never had gangways fitted) and different underframe (same as the TS without the toilet outlet maybe); they would be easy and hopefully well received model if Bachmann decides to extend the tool use. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo 079 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) As you rightly say the Class 121 DTS has the same body as the Class 117 (I believe these never had gangways fitted) and different underframe (same as the TS without the toilet outlet maybe); they would be easy and hopefully well received model if Bachmann decides to extend the tool use. Keith Perhaps surprisingly; given the work they were designed for; some of the 121 DTSs (originally described as Class 149) did have end gangways retro-fitted. There are photos of W56289 preserved at the East Lancs Railway which clearly show this feature http://preserved.railcar.co.uk/56289.html. From memory it was not unknown for the Western Region to substitute a failed 117 DMS with a 121 trailer. This left the 3 car set to rely on just one pair of engines; far from ideal but better than nothing. Another odd combination which was known to have occurred was a 3 car set formed of 117 DMS+121 DMBS+121 DTS. Quite why the bubble was formed in the middle of the set is beyond me as if they had marshalled the trailer in the middle it would have allowed through movement between two cars (but still no toilet or first class facilities, obviously). KG Edited November 9, 2018 by apollo 079 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
66738 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Class 117 cars on show on the Bachmann stand today at the Grand Central event. Looks really nice but what on earth are those car-car couplings about? They are huge and so unsightly. Might be less stand out when the chassis are black but will still look odd in my opinion. 66738 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 That's the standard coupling used on other units such as the Blue Pullman to avoid the need for two decoders. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
66738 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 4 hours ago, dibber25 said: That's the standard coupling used on other units such as the Blue Pullman to avoid the need for two decoders. Cheers Chris. Think I’d settle for two decoders instead but the favourite would be through wired bar coupling like the 101. But I guess the 117 has more functionality. I know there’s a good reason it’s like this but my word! It looks ugly. Out of interest, how does it look on the Blue Pullman? 66738 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted June 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 15, 2019 9 hours ago, dibber25 said: That's the standard coupling used on other units such as the Blue Pullman to avoid the need for two decoders. There looks to be 14 pins on that connector, surely that many can’t be needed? Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted June 15, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 15, 2019 It will be less noticeable on the later versions with gangways. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Geep7 Posted June 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 15, 2019 It's the same connector they used on the 4-TC set as well. It allows a single decoder to control the headcode panels and interior lighting independently, so i'm assuming the same on the 117. IIRC they are 6 pin connectors on the TC, but they look like 8-pin connectors on the 117. Maybe it has all wheel pickup for once? The only downside to these connectors is it won't be possible to use a 121 in place of the DMBS or DMS, without modifying them. I don't think this will bother most people though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 15, 2019 They look as if they don't extend very far past the buffers so probably allow for 2nd radius curves as well.. Add in a few cables and they might be disguised to some extent and the won't show under a gangway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) Images of the GW150 117 sample are on http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/52417/35-500Z-Bachmann-Class-117-3-Car-DMU-Set-number-B430-GW-150 Edited August 2, 2019 by Paul.Uni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) Images of the GW150 121 sample just released. See http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/52418/35-525Z-Bachmann-Class-121-Single-Car-DMU-Set-number-120-GW-150 Edited August 2, 2019 by Paul.Uni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted August 2, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2019 They look good, the 121 perhaps better than the Dapol version? Wonder which has the lower floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2019 At this price you'd hope so; the Dapol is let down badly by the floor. I'm not complaining, mind; the Dap's floor and this one's price are enough to stop me wanting one for Cwmdimbath anyway, not to mention that their use in the area post dates my period, so I don't have to worry about them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 The Kernow image with the three cars shows two motor brake seconds but the motor second is shown in an individual image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 On 15/06/2019 at 04:50, 66738 said: Cheers Chris. Think I’d settle for two decoders instead but the favourite would be through wired bar coupling like the 101. But I guess the 117 has more functionality. I know there’s a good reason it’s like this but my word! It looks ugly. Out of interest, how does it look on the Blue Pullman? 66738 Sorry, I have only just revisited this page, so I'd missed your question. I've taken a couple of shots - one on a curve to show the maximum and the other on the straight where the coupling is fairly well hidden. Can't say the couplings bother me at all from the appearance point of view but both the Pullman and the 4CEP stay on my layout the whole time because I really don't enjoy coupling and uncoupling them. (CJL) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 2 hours ago, robertcwp said: The Kernow image with the three cars shows two motor brake seconds but the motor second is shown in an individual image. I think that's for people who want to replace their Lima version..... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted August 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2019 It really is looking like the definitive model of a first generation DMU. I will make that purchase of a BR green set. And in answer to a question asked earlier, the 117 and 121’s from Bachmann have a much lower floor level than Dapol’s 121’s and 122’s. I’ve seen them and the seats are ‘all there’ unlike the Dapol models. Much like the Realtrack class 156 units. Regards, Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2019 Problem is with various units using different couplings making hybrid sets is more difficult and were common in the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
66738 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 3 hours ago, dibber25 said: Sorry, I have only just revisited this page, so I'd missed your question. I've taken a couple of shots - one on a curve to show the maximum and the other on the straight where the coupling is fairly well hidden. Can't say the couplings bother me at all from the appearance point of view but both the Pullman and the 4CEP stay on my layout the whole time because I really don't enjoy coupling and uncoupling them. (CJL) Cheers Chris. That doesn’t look too bad at all. Shame a 121 Replacing a 117 driving car will be difficult. Like has been said already, it was a common sight and as a young DMU fan, it fascinated me back in the day. 66738 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted August 2, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2019 Not that I have any desire to own one, but a three car set at £110 per coach I hope it’s very good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, 66738 said: Cheers Chris. That doesn’t look too bad at all. Shame a 121 Replacing a 117 driving car will be difficult. Like has been said already, it was a common sight and as a young DMU fan, it fascinated me back in the day. 66738 I think it will be more visible on the DMU, particularly on the original non-gangway version, as there was very little between those cars before they put the GWR-style suspended gangways on them. It will, however, be a big improvement on the massive Lima couplings! I guess DCC users might be able to replace the MBS with a Class 121 by 'consisting' them as you would with multiple US locomotives. (CJL) Edited August 2, 2019 by dibber25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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