Dapol 08

[North Eastern]

Getting back on track, after a bit of research I settled on turning mine into 08141 (before it got the Tinsley painters embellishments in the form of the Manvers name) as I have a few photos of her and I was wondering if any of you know what could have caused such heavy black oil staining? Also on the two doors (one with the name and on at the side of it) what could have caused such a strange circular mark? (I'm pondering how to recreate the mark)

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/7159827559/in/photolist-bUFZhK-bUFZcV-8hqkTM-82dv32-82dv7B-82dva6-82gBDJ

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/4608253299/in/photolist-bUFZhK-bUFZcV-8hqkTM-82dv32-82dv7B-82dva6-82gBDJ/

Not sure of the exact date the Transrail Logos came in to force but the circle on 08141 is roughly the same size as the one on the Class 60 - http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3326/5693928507_b0eb793f7d_z.jpg

 

Regards

 

Chris

[Osgood]

Isnt that a sea devil?

Well yes and no - the relationship is about as complicated as the 08 family by the look of it:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silurian_(Doctor_Who)

 

Should we try to avoid anything similar to most of the last 20 pages and agree that the Silurians are effectively

a pre-TOPS era sea Devil?

Edited September 17, 2016 by Osgood

[edcayton]

 

Question - did 08s fade more than other locos (and if so why?) or was it just that as shunters, they were given less frequent cosmetic attention? 

 

I would suggest that they went through carriage washers a lot.

 

Ed

[leopardml2341]

I would suggest that they went through carriage washers a lot.

 

Ed

Not at TI they didn't

[Tove]

Not at TI they didn't

 They did at Oxley carrige sidings.....!!

 

 

 

Brian.

[The Penguin 0f Doom]

The 03 at Botanic Gardens was almost white due to the bleaching from the carriage wash plant.....

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/14517853555

 

Of course, this is an 03 as opposed to an 08 so apologies to those who may be offended by the wrong class, I wouldn't want to start another 20 pages of world war 4..... !

 

Cheers.

 

Sean.

[t8hants]

The 03 at Botanic Gardens was almost white due to the bleaching from the carriage wash plant.....

 

 

 

That is a very good practical example of why you should be careful when using acrylic paints on your models

[Johnfromoz]

Getting back on track, after a bit of research I settled on turning mine into 08141 (before it got the Tinsley painters embellishments in the form of the Manvers name) as I have a few photos of her and I was wondering if any of you know what could have caused such heavy black oil staining? Also on the two doors (one with the name and on at the side of it) what could have caused such a strange circular mark? (I'm pondering how to recreate the mark)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/7159827559/in/photolist-bUFZhK-bUFZcV-8hqkTM-82dv32-82dv7B-82dva6-82gBDJ

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/4608253299/in/photolist-bUFZhK-bUFZcV-8hqkTM-82dv32-82dv7B-82dva6-82gBDJ/

That second image of 'Manvers' sitting in Tinsley Yard next to a 21t hopper suggests it is running without its con rods (not unknown) or is it withdrawn? Interesting image anyway.

 

Thanks

 

John

[grahame]

If it is I'm not sure about the colours...

 

Yeah, they were black and white when I watched them.

 

G.

[37081LochLong]

Not sure of the exact date the Transrail Logos came in to force but the circle on 08141 is roughly the same size as the one on the Class 60 - http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3326/5693928507_b0eb793f7d_z.jpg

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

This was before Transrail. I did originally think it may have been something stuck on then removed but i've never found any evidence of that, I also have photos of her without the name painted on and she had the mark then, and other peoples photos haven't helped either (BTW there wasn't an identical mark on the otherside)

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/4608252889/in/photolist-bUFZhK-bUFZcV-8hqkTM-82dv32-82dv7B-82dva6-82gBDJ

 

 

That second image of 'Manvers' sitting in Tinsley Yard next to a 21t hopper suggests it is running without its con rods (not unknown) or is it withdrawn? Interesting image anyway.

 

Thanks

 

John

Yep definitely withdrawn and left alone. It was previously surrounded by withdrawn class 45's but when they were removed they left the 08 on it's own

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/4780310919/in/photolist-bUFZhK-bUFZcV-8hqkTM-82dv32-82dv7B-82dva6-82gBDJ/

[bescotbeast]

The following should help you decide:-

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/6622-class-08-09-variations/?p=55482

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/102801-Dapol-08/?p=2432705

 

and a Google Search for a photograph of your chosen loco to confirm detail variations.

Thank you for this little gem, I too am like Jinty looking for a loco to model and this will help make the process that little bit easier

[Tove]

This was before Transrail. I did originally think it may have been something stuck on then removed but i've never found any evidence of that, I also have photos of her without the name painted on and she had the mark then, and other peoples photos haven't helped either (BTW there wasn't an identical mark on the otherside)

 

 

Perhaps it`s a finger or thumb mark from being picked up,so they could clean the wheels............

 

'hat,coat,gone...!!)

 

Brian.

Edited September 18, 2016 by Tove

[70E]

Latest edition of model rail 227, liveries of BR bottom of page 8 , picture of green wasp stripe 08 D3473 with black roof and bonnet!

[maq1988]

Latest edition of model rail 227, liveries of BR bottom of page 8 , picture of green wasp stripe 08 D3473 with black roof and bonnet!

 

 

Is that a picture of the model? Dapol have not announced D3473 yet, unless it is part of the 'second batch'. I'd be surprised if even they got their loco numbers wrong... or, would I?

Edited September 19, 2016 by maq1988

[Signaller69]

Is that a picture of the model? Dapol have not announced D3473 yet, unless it is part of the 'second batch'. I'd be surprised if even they got their loco numbers wrong... or, would I?

No pic is the real loco in ex works condition, 1960s by look of photo. Definately looks black cab roof and bonnet top to be fair.

 

Edit: photo is part of the BR livery supplement, no suggestion Dapol are doing that loco.

Edited September 19, 2016 by Signaller69

[ChrisH]

The standard finish for Eastleigh repaints on all 350hp shunters included a black roof and bonnet top.

 

This was from pre 1960 up to the change to rail blue.

 

Anyone fancy the first of the blue liveried locos, with chocolate frames and buffer beams?

 

Chris

[Osgood]

In an attempt to be helpful, how about a Quick Summary?

 

So far as I can make out, accepting both a) information provided by Dapol at face value, and b) research evidence of Class 08 engines provided by contributors on here  -

• To date no physical errors have been identified / proven on the Dapol 08.
• Liveries of first Dapol releases appear to checking out ok (with exception so far of concern over black radiator grill surround).
• Dapol have stated (on their own blog) that future releases will incorporate changed physical details (unspecified) applicable to later builds.
• Dapol have stated (on their own blog) that they plan to release several different liveries each year.
• Dapol have invited (on their own blog) requests for potential customers' specific livery choice.

 

So the main uncertainty for potential customers at present is knowing if and when a specific livery (including un-numbered versions) will be made available.

 

Which is no doubt frustrating for some since it becomes a choice between waiting in hope for the right version or altering a confirmed livery release to suit.

There is also uncertainty over the future pricing structure of later versions, so waiting for a required version might be a bit more expensive than the initial releases.

 

Have I missed anything?        

[F-UnitMad]

Have I missed anything? 

Seems to sum up the situation quite concisely to me.

 

Re future pricing; whilst recognising that £170-ish is maybe a bit low - & due respect to Dapol for continuing to honour it despite it being a 5-year old figure - Dapol are planning to sell the new 57xx Pannier at £230. As the 08 is more-or-less the diesel equivalent, & equally liable to sell in large numbers, hopefully the price of 2nd-run 08s shouldn't go stratospheric, towards Heljan & JLTRT prices..?? Just my opinion/hope..!!

[CloggyDog]

Bonnet hinges - I have the following builds having the long, rivetted hinges:

 

D3000-59 (Derby), D3060-81 (Darlington), D3082-126 (Dby), D3127-136 (D'ton), D3137-3216 (Dby), D3217-3244 (D'ton), D3245-97 (Dby), D3298-336 (D'ton), D3454-72 (D'ton)

 

Now, that's all types of 350hp DE 0-6-0s, including the non-EE 6KT-powered machines, but gives a total of 356 with the long/rivetted hinges.

 

Taking just 'proper' 08s, in TOPS terms that's 08001-266/369-87*

 

Don't forget that a number of 350s were withdrawn before TOPS came in, but the surviving EE6KTs were renumbered in a straight sequence from 08001 (D3004) upwards with no gaps, hence you get D3091 = 08076 then D3102 = 08077 (the 10 in between were EE6KTs, but had no train brakes, hence their early withdrawn dates (May/Oct 1972) - other similar gaps occur around the Crossley/Lister-Blackstone-engined locos (so D3116 = 08091, then D3127 = 08092 and D3136 = 08101, then D3167 = 08102), plus the first 4 snowplough conversions and other odd early withdrawls.

 

Never mind the minefield of exhauster boxes...

 

 

Looks to be a useful site for listing build /numbering / disposal:      http://www.railway-centre.com/uploads/7/2/2/3/7223531/class_08-13_fleet_list.pdf

 

 

I have two on order, a Green, late crest, wasp stripes, un-numbered and a blue pre TOPS with wasp stripes.

So going back to the hinges, can we be definitive as to which 08's lasted into the 80's in BR Blue with Wasp stripes and the longer hinges please?

 

I have read some of the posts, but I've found them a little confusing (doesn't take much with me sometimes!!!), and all the frothing doesn't help either!!!!

 

I'll be renumbering the pre-TOPS blue one as a TOPS loco, as I couldn't get a pre-order on a TOPS blue one as they'd sold out of pre-orders with my supplier!!!

 

Thanks in advance

 

Jinty

 

Jinty - a cross-referencing of the two posts quoted above should give you some ideas, combined with an image search on Google and/or Flickr.

 

One other thing to be mindful of is that certain batches of 08 had no exhauster box (the front, twin-grilled box) on the right-hand side (looking along the bonnet forward from the cab).

 

The blue pre-TOPS (D3045?) should have exhauster boxes on both side of the bonnet, so that would be good for D3000-3244

 

Those without the right-side exhauster box (I think) include the Derby batch D3245-97, Darlington's D3298-3336 and D3454-72 batches, all with long hinges - these should all be doable from the blue/TOPS 08202 release.

[Steadfast]

Getting back on track, after a bit of research I settled on turning mine into 08141 (before it got the Tinsley painters embellishments in the form of the Manvers name) as I have a few photos of her and I was wondering if any of you know what could have caused such heavy black oil staining? Also on the two doors (one with the name and on at the side of it) what could have caused such a strange circular mark? (I'm pondering how to recreate the mark)

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/7159827559/in/photolist-bUFZhK-bUFZcV-8hqkTM-82dv32-82dv7B-82dva6-82gBDJ

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/4608253299/in/photolist-bUFZhK-bUFZcV-8hqkTM-82dv32-82dv7B-82dva6-82gBDJ/

The black staining is overflow from the fuel tank, you can see the outlet valve on the roof

 

Jo

[Osgood]

Given that time between overhauls was a major factor in how long it took for new liveries to be applied to existing locos, it would be useful to know what a typical interval between works visits might be.

Can anyone advise?

[Dava]

DB are selling off their last operational Gronks

 

http://www.railmagazine.com/news/fleet/2016/09/19/24-shunters-for-sale-as-db-ceases-using-own-class-08s-and-09s

 

So they will be history, time for Dapol to do the EWS as a heritage livery. You could buy one but the Dapol version is a bargain in comparison.

 

This design has done 71 years in mainline service since the LMS prototype in 1945. Longer than any other diesel or electric design on BR. Respect.

 

Dava

[Jintyman]

Jinty - a cross-referencing of the two posts quoted above should give you some ideas, combined with an image search on Google and/or Flickr.

 

One other thing to be mindful of is that certain batches of 08 had no exhauster box (the front, twin-grilled box) on the right-hand side (looking along the bonnet forward from the cab).

 

The blue pre-TOPS (D3045?) should have exhauster boxes on both side of the bonnet, so that would be good for D3000-3244

 

Those without the right-side exhauster box (I think) include the Derby batch D3245-97, Darlington's D3298-3336 and D3454-72 batches, all with long hinges - these should all be doable from the blue/TOPS 08202 release.

 

Thanks Cloggy Dog and Osgood, great information and that gives me the answers I need for mine.

 

 

This design has done 71 years in mainline service since the LMS prototype in 1945. Longer than any other diesel or electric design on BR. Respect.

 

Dava

 

 

Yes, total respect for the longest serving BR Diesel.

 

Jinty

[CloggyDog]

Given that time between overhauls was a major factor in how long it took for new liveries to be applied to existing locos, it would be useful to know what a typical interval between works visits might be.

Can anyone advise?

 

Read somewhere recently (possibly in the pdf linked to further back in the thread) that 08s were overhauled at approx 10 year intervals, with mileage factored in. And it's possible that, certainly in the late-60s, some works (Crewe in particular) would leave a still-decent paint job alone, especially for intermediate or unscheduled overhauls..

 

We know that 08105 lasted in it's original black livery until withdrawn and we've had links to photos of early green examples (with 'cycling ferret') receiving TOPS numbers in the 70s (so that's 20 years between paint jobs) and a large number of later green locos getting TOPS numbers circa 15-20 years after delivery, so the 10 year cycle might well be an under-estimate.

 

As with most things, but especially 08s with their myriad of detail differences, do an image search of your chosen machine. There is a very useful Green/TOPS group on Flickr with hundreds of good dated photos - plenty of 08s to choose from there!

Edited September 20, 2016 by CloggyDeux

[daveymills]

Read somewhere recently (possibly in the pdf linked to further back in the thread) that 08s were overhauled at approx 10 year intervals, with mileage factored in. And it's possible that, certainly in the late-60s, some works (Crewe in particular) would leave a still-decent paint job alone, especially for intermediate or unscheduled overhauls..

 

We know that 08105 lasted in it's original black livery until withdrawn and we've had links to photos of early green examples (with 'cycling ferret') receiving TOPS numbers in the 70s (so that's 20 years between paint jobs) and a large number of later green locos getting TOPS numbers circa 15-20 years after delivery, so the 10 year cycle might well be an under-estimate.

 

As with most things, but especially 08s with their myriad of detail differences, do an image search of your chosen machine. There is a very useful Green/TOPS group on Flickr with hundreds of good dated photos - plenty of 08s to choose from there!

 

08105 was very much in BR Blue at the time of withdrawal.