Simond Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Yep, looks that way. Atb Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 I'm happy with the body so far. All fitting together as it should. Hope that keeps up. Also pretty well keeping to the instructions which is unusual for me. But I think it's best on this particular kit. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Onwards with the body today. Still going well BUT there are no etches for the tank top beading. So I will have to fabricate those. Other than that, it's a shame the chassis was so bad. Edited January 21, 2019 by jazz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Yes, and it would have been an even greater shame for someone with far less experience that you to have bought it, struggled, failed, given up and decided that brass kits, even the very top ones, weren’t for him or her. That, in my view, is the biggest risk of “difficult” kits. At least the builds on here and WT show what can be achieved. Keep up the good work! Best Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Holt Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Yes, very disappointing to find a major dimensional error at a late stage in construction and possibly, as mentioned above, enough to put some people off. As someone who builds locos in P4, often from kits intended for "OO", checking cylinder centres and valve gear bracket widths before going too far has become second nature. Spacing out is quite common, including front foot steps, to get adequate clearances. Dave. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 A little more progress today. Everything still a pretty good fit with only minor filing of the firebox/taper boiler formers to do. That has now taken care of the main structure assembly. Now mainly down to the details. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Nothing done yesterday. Today I've done some of the detailing so not a great deal left to do now. Quite pleased with how the body is going considering how old this kit is and one of Malcolm Mitchells first kits he produced. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 Bodywork is now completed and tomorrow the chassis finishing ready for clean up and priming. Quite amazing how the detailing seemed to go on forever. There would be much more of that if one was to go to town way beyond the kit. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lissadell Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Bodywork is now completed and tomorrow the chassis finishing ready for clean up and priming. Quite amazing how the detailing seemed to go on forever. There would be much more of that if one was to go to town way beyond the kit. 44xx chassis 9 - 1.jpg Looking good Ken - and it’s really refreshing to see you tackle and succeed with a tricky subject. Hope it’s not another Stanier job next, or the one after (joke) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 It looks good. I think it would of look odd with the cylinders set further in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 Thanks guys. The next loco build is a DJH A2/3 Pacific. But before that I have a coach and a horse box to tackle. Peter, I too think the cylinders would have looked a bit odd set in more. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Here's one I built about 35 years ago I don't recall a problem with the cylinders or clearance as you described. sorry not the best photos. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 I have decided to leave priming the 44xx until the weather warms up a bit. Jolly cold in the garage for now. So it's now on with the horse box. Another one for the last century, drawn in 1984, and a brand never to have crossed my WB previously a Sprat & Winkle. (I know of their couplings but that's a far as it goes for me) Again well tarnished so it's out with the sonic cleaner now. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 Here's one I built about 35 years ago I don't recall a problem with the cylinders or clearance as you described. sorry not the best photos. 45xx.jpg Looks very nice Mike. I notice the cylinders are just fine on your model. I guess the etches must have been redrawn early on. The one I was building must have been a very early production run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I've built thier LSWR horse box. It all fitted quite well. Only thing wrong the stable boys doors one left handed and the other right, where both should of been left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Pulham Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I have decided to leave priming the 44xx until the weather warms up a bit. Jolly cold in the garage for now. So it's now on with the horse box. Another one for the last century, drawn in 1984, and a brand never to have crossed my WB previously a Sprat & Winkle. (I know of their couplings but that's a far as it goes for me) Again well tarnished so it's out with the sonic cleaner now. horse box 1 - 1.jpg I have one of these in my stash too Ken, although mine is under the later Model Signal Engineering banner. I believe that they are now with Dragon Models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Looks very nice Mike. I notice the cylinders are just fine on your model. I guess the etches must have been redrawn early on. The one I was building must have been a very early production run. Hi Ken, it would appear that the chassis was in fact redrawn from the 45xx to the 44xx which caused the problems you encountered. The 45xx was re-blown from the 4mm kit so had a selection of spacers. cheers Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) Hi guys. Amazing how both of you have these horse boxes. I have looked at the one on Dragon models, (three times the price on the kit box on this kit), and is useful to help complete this one. No problem with the doors being correctly opposite each other BUT the overlays are very much larger than the inner sides, photo shows the problem. I will have to somehow shorten the sides and make the ends narrower without making it too obvious. And recreate the beading on the edges. As can be seen, the ends should be only slightly wider the the floor and the same goes for the length of the side overlays. I cannot make the inners wider and longer as the base incorporating the valences and headstocks would be incorrect. Any suggestions? I guess another very early production model that is not correct. I note that Peter's model was the LNWR one, not the Caledonian/LMS one that this kit is. Edited January 28, 2019 by jazz 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 Hi Ken, it would appear that the chassis was in fact redrawn from the 45xx to the 44xx which caused the problems you encountered. The 45xx was re-blown from the 4mm kit so had a selection of spacers. cheers Mike Thanks Mike. That would explain a lot of the problems I encountered on the chassis. Regards, Ken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 Wow, great to be back. Many thanks to Andy for his work and persistence. Whilst we were 'off air' I've got the horse box ready for the off. Not without a few modifications I might add, also fitted a floor and partition between the grooms end and the horses end. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 What needed doing? With mine the kit came plasticard to make the partition and seat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Pulham Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Hi Ken, If yours is the Caledonian/LMS one then it too is different from mine. My unbuilt one is the Midland Diag 397. I have also built the Somerset and Dorset version. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 hours ago, N15class said: What needed doing? With mine the kit came plasticard to make the partition and seat. Nothing for the floor and partition in the kit. The roof was just a sheet of brass. I made the handbrake guide and drilled the holes for the retaining pin. The chassis was 3mm too short for the body so had to pack that out. No air and vac pipes in the kit either. No door knobs do made them from flattened brass pins. Other than that it made a nice model. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 Now it's onwards with the Gladiator LNWR 4 wheel brake 3rd. A standard Gladiator kit that should not cause any problems. Chassis is done except vac pipes as they will be better attached when the body is built and fitted on. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Footboards deserve to be double thickness etch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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