Guy Rixon Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 There's definitely demand for at least the kirk kits - they rarely go for less than £20 on ebay and sometimes go for over £30. Then there's the strange ones - either people are getting carried away or they've not looked at the pictures of this one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OO-Gauge-Model-Coach-Ian-Kirk-8813-L-N-E-R-Buffet-Car-Kit/282677938368 No sides? Possibly they want the floor, ends and roof to go with etched sides. Still, £21 seems a bit steep for an incomplete shell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Well I for one would love to get hold of a roof from a suburban coach to cut up for a D&S pidgeon van I have as the styrene roof is totally the wrong profile and I have looked at the roof from a Kirk kit that is the right profile which would save a lot of effort! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted October 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2017 Possibly they want the floor, ends and roof to go with etched sides. Still, £21 seems a bit steep for an incomplete shell. It's silly money for an incomplete - which make me think it's not been read properly. Yes it's less than buying metal parts for the same thing - but then you get much better quality parts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 There's definitely demand for at least the kirk kits - they rarely go for less than £20 on ebay and sometimes go for over £30. Then there's the strange ones - either people are getting carried away or they've not looked at the pictures of this one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OO-Gauge-Model-Coach-Ian-Kirk-8813-L-N-E-R-Buffet-Car-Kit/282677938368 No sides? Demand for a discontinued kit may not translate into a reintroduction/new kit for a model. Some may be trying to buy it just in case they might need one, or the fact that two or three modellers are willing to pay over the odds to get it The reintroduction of the Southern coach kits will be a good test to see if there is still a demand for reintroducing discontinued items Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium gazman424 Posted October 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2017 Hi Doug, What about this in the absence of the Kirk roof? http://www.dartcastings.co.uk/mjt/2971V.php Gaz. Well I for one would love to get hold of a roof from a suburban coach to cut up for a D&S pidgeon van I have as the styrene roof is totally the wrong profile and I have looked at the roof from a Kirk kit that is the right profile which would save a lot of effort! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Hi Doug, What about this in the absence of the Kirk roof? http://www.dartcastings.co.uk/mjt/2971V.php One small problem: it's discontinued. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Wellyboots Posted October 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2017 Well I for one would love to get hold of a roof from a suburban coach to cut up for a D&S pidgeon van I have as the styrene roof is totally the wrong profile and I have looked at the roof from a Kirk kit that is the right profile which would save a lot of effort! Wizard Models list 3 Gresley carriage roofs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Clanger Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Wizard Models list 3 Gresley carriage roofs. Of which C10A (short, 103 in stock) and C10B (long, 224 in stock) are the ex-Kirk roofs. I bought up the remaining supply (not from Coopercraft), so once they're gone, that might be it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium gazman424 Posted October 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2017 Hi All, Good point! How about this one, it's identical, only longer... http://www.dartcastings.co.uk/mjt/2971S.php Gaz. One small problem: it's discontinued. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted October 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2017 I do like the kirk kits - there's a lot of choice. I built a few many years ago and got some good results. I prefer the idea of etched kits but haven't tried one yet. Would really like to see the range available again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Thanks for the suggestions guys. I have one of he aluminium roofs but it is not a great fit on the van but the Kirk roof is. I have some other stuff to be done at the moment to be too concerned. If I finally find a good roof I will grab one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurfBurner Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 More on the saga of me v Paul Dunn. On 2 October I requested a “Warrant of Control” and this was issued on the following day, being passed to the County Court at Taunton for execution. This morning, I received the following from the Court: “The bailiff has visited the debtor’s address and spoken with the debtor who has refused to allow the bailiff peaceful entry. The bailiff manager has also visited the address and met with a similar response. The debtor is entitled to refuse the bailiff entry to domestic premises and in the circumstances, the bailiff has not has an opportunity to establish whether the debtor has goods which can be taken into control. The bailiff can take no further action unless you are able to provide further information to re-issue the warrant (for example, giving a description and location of other goods which belong to the debtor). You may have to pay a fee to reissue the warrant. The warrant has been returned to the Court which issued it”. I think it is abundantly clear than Dunn, far from sticking his head in the sand, is well versed on how to avoid his business liabilities. He is nothing less than a crook, a shyster and a con-man and anybody dealing with him, other than face-to-face, will never see either the goods they ordered or their money. And if he wants to sue me for libel and defamation, I will be delighted to hear from him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 The debtor is entitled to refuse the bailiff entry to domestic premises So running a business from home allows one to totally avoid court judgements. Wonderful legal system we have! Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted October 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2017 "The bailiff can take no further action unless you are able to provide further information to re-issue the warrant (for example, giving a description and location of other goods which belong to the debtor)." Well, if he attends an exhibition, he'll have a stall and stock. A description could be "model railway kits and components" perhaps? Amazing that the law works this way. Does it also prevent the bailiff seizing a car or other vehicle parked on a domestic drive? Or does that not apply because it might be worth much more than the debt? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) ....I think it is abundantly clear than Dunn, far from sticking his head in the sand, is well versed on how to avoid his business liabilities. He is nothing less than a crook, a shyster and a con-man and anybody dealing with him, other than face-to-face, will never see either the goods they ordered or their money. And if he wants to sue me for libel and defamation, I will be delighted to hear from him. Remember: you read it here first! Is it not possible to apply for a Freezing Order? Edited October 30, 2017 by Horsetan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 This happened to a friend of mine, so he somehow took a charge over the property. This meant the owner could do nothing (sell, re-mortgage etc)unless with the agreement of my friend, got his money back eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I think you can also get a bankruptcy petition if you, and /or others, are owed over £5k. There are various ways the pressure could be upped on Mr Dunn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted October 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2017 "The bailiff can take no further action unless you are able to provide further information to re-issue the warrant (for example, giving a description and location of other goods which belong to the debtor)." Well, if he attends an exhibition, he'll have a stall and stock. A description could be "model railway kits and components" perhaps? Amazing that the law works this way. Does it also prevent the bailiff seizing a car or other vehicle parked on a domestic drive? Or does that not apply because it might be worth much more than the debt? A debtor is entitled to keep "tools of trade" which includes vehicles worth (IIRC) less than £1000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 And according to the Sheriffs are coming program, the sheriffs cannot enter a domestic property by force, either by going through an open door or being invited. Can make forcible entry only on business premises. No idea if he is going to shows now, if so inform the bailiffs of where and when Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ryde-on-time Posted October 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2017 Isn't it the Nottingham exhibition he attends, next one 17th & 18th March 2018? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurfBurner Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Lots of good and helpful comments there – much appreciated. As for bankruptcy petitions, freezing orders or taking a charge over property – first, the amount owed is really not worth it and second, these would probably involve the expense of a Solicitors – which again is simply not worth it. I am annoyed I have thrown good money after bad but take the positive view that I have exposed Dunn for the unsavoury character he clearly is. Anybody dealing with Dunn through the Cooper Craft web site can now be in no doubt he is a person lacking in any conscience or moral compass. He will take your money and give you nothing in return. Getting the bailiffs to approach him at a show may well be the best option – subject to knowing he will attend (the web site has not been updated for years, so it’s a question of trawling through show web sites to see which he is attending) and then giving the Court enough notice so they can take action. In the end, I’ll probably find that bailiffs do not work on Saturday! What I propose to do in the short term is contact his web site provider, acquaint them with the situation and suggest this is not the sort of business they should be hosting. You will know if I am successful if the web site disappears. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted October 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2017 Isn't it the Nottingham exhibition he attends, next one 17th & 18th March 2018? He has in the past, he has attended Scaleforum and the Taunton show, but he was absent this year from both. I didn't get to RailWells this year so I don't know if he was there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 What I propose to do in the short term is contact his web site provider, acquaint them with the situation and suggest this is not the sort of business they should be hosting. You will know if I am successful if the web site disappears. I fear you will be wasting more time. I have already tried this and made them aware that they are providing hosting for a trader who does not have the capacity to honour transactions made via their services and equipment. They passed the buck and are obviously quite happy to continue hosting the site as long as they see some of his money (and stuff those who don't). I certainly would not allow him to trade at any event I have anything to do with whilst there are unresolved complaints and legal action and would hope that other exhibition managers would take a similar view. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ryde-on-time Posted October 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Lots of good and helpful comments there – much appreciated. As for bankruptcy petitions, freezing orders or taking a charge over property – first, the amount owed is really not worth it and second, these would probably involve the expense of a Solicitors – which again is simply not worth it. I am annoyed I have thrown good money after bad but take the positive view that I have exposed Dunn for the unsavoury character he clearly is. Anybody dealing with Dunn through the Cooper Craft web site can now be in no doubt he is a person lacking in any conscience or moral compass. He will take your money and give you nothing in return. Getting the bailiffs to approach him at a show may well be the best option – subject to knowing he will attend (the web site has not been updated for years, so it’s a question of trawling through show web sites to see which he is attending) and then giving the Court enough notice so they can take action. In the end, I’ll probably find that bailiffs do not work on Saturday! What I propose to do in the short term is contact his web site provider, acquaint them with the situation and suggest this is not the sort of business they should be hosting. You will know if I am successful if the web site disappears. I seem to recall AndyY contacting his web host as a way to limit his activities. Might be worth sending him a PM? Whoops, Posted at the same time as Andy replied I was wondering if Worldpay was contacted as they are the organisation taking payments? Edited October 30, 2017 by Ryde-on-time 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurfBurner Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I was wondering if Worldpay was contacted as they are the organisation taking payments? I tried Wordpay at the very start - they did not reply. Their web site states they take no responsibility for anything and action against them will get me nowhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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