RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 30, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2012 And how long before someone asks Dapol for their research material and buys a couple of models, as a precursor to announcing another full size 'new build' project!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted January 30, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) ... that a deposit had been left by me for 'D' and 'E' . I can't believe that you haven't worked this out already, but let's call a spade a spade. Just because a deposit is paid to a retailer, it doesn't necessarily follow that the money immediately finds its way to the model manufacturer. (My comment is wholly hypothetical, and should not be taken as referring to any specific retailer). I would simply observe that it is common wholesale practice for stock to be supplied only to retailers with cleared accounts. Regards, John Isherwood. Edited January 30, 2012 by cctransuk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted January 30, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2012 Did someone raise the "elephant in the room" sign there John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) if your converting it to P4, I assume it wont be running on particularly sharp curves - so have you considered moving the bogie sideframes up to line up with the wheels correctly - while the model is apart? Two quick cuts with a razor saw per bogie - and re-attach with a little block of plasticard. It makes the stance of the model look miles better - and would look even better with closer to scale wheels. I've had a quick search in the thread and found several mentions of this bogie frame height issue. Has anyone made such a change? Any photos to share with us? Can anyone point to a useful prototype photo that shows the frame height relative to the body, tanks etc? Nick edit: answering one of my own questions, this photo shows the prototype from a suitable angle. Edited February 3, 2012 by buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 On the bright side of fantasy liveries, those good old boys who inherited trainload freight northeast did not venture as far as the south west so their unspeakable but delightful black and orange would be a step too far..... Or would it? Loadhaul black anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Modeller Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I heard a rumour some were sent up to Scotland to work the Kyle line and have recently appeared in Saltire blue. Let's hope Dave has got the version planned with air brakes, ETH and snowploughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Having got my hands on one of these wonderful models last week, I am waiting with baited breath for the 21/29. 2 questions for dapoldave Any clue when ( season and year will do) the 21and 29 might be released? When will the order forms be going to shops as I need to reserve several Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 And how long before someone asks Dapol for their research material and buys a couple of models, as a precursor to announcing another full size 'new build' project!! I know a chap with an engine, and another with a full set of glass for one......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 There's plenty of shots with the skirts on, here's fully skirted: http://www.flickr.co...s-45603744@N06/ http://www.flickr.co...y42/5596077402/ http://www.flickr.co...ly42/5596077406/ http://www.flickr.co...y42/5367941510/ http://www.flickr.co...y42/5727144676/ http://www.flickr.co...y42/5596077406/ http://www.flickr.co...y42/5410073393/ http://www.flickr.co...cwp/2728616506/ And missing a section or two: http://www.flickr.co...157622720375618 http://www.flickr.co...N02/6260767746/ I suspect you are looking at locos with skirts on, and thinking they are off? Hi Thanks for that ,what a dimbo i am not seeing that the skirt runs along the side ......must learn more about this class of loco!..D-..must do better!. Darren 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Now that it has become clear the Dapol model can represent 17 different examples, I am getting worried. You see I hadn't intended to buy that many... Geoff Endacott 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Just buy 16 and pretend one has already gone for scrap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skin_2 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Perhaps some undecorated ones could be produced so we can paint them in whatever livery we like be it genuine or fake! I have had trouble finding a class 22 (my fault I didn't pre order) but I eventually found a trader at a show with a few very recently. However can't get mine working on DCC nor the replacement one I swapped with the dealer but didnt want a refund as they are scarce, so I am hoping a change of decoder manufactuere will reslove the issue... fingers crossed. Ian Just to recap on my experience with this. After I'd sorted out the pickup issues, I first tried the Bachmann 36-554 21 pin decoder. The model ran fine but only one of the cab lights worked as they are separately switched and need a decoder with more functions. I then used the TCS EU621 decoder and everything worked just fine after I'd remapped the function key for the 'other' cab light. This was necessary because I've got the Gaugemaster Prodigy 2 controller which has momentary action on the F2 key. When the second model arrived (which also had pickup issues), I fitted the same TCS decoder. I now have both locos double heading a china clay train and they run just fine. If your model runs OK on analogue DC, but not on DCC I'd have thought that you've got a decoder/controller issue. My understanding of the blanking plug is that it sends the track current straight to the motor although in this model there are a number of components on the blanking plug. BTW, has anyone tried the Howes sound decoder? I think you only get the small round speaker with this as standard which is OK, but if my experience with the Class 47 sound decoder is the same then it's well worth changing to the larger one. It's only a couple of easily soldered wires. I used the Loksound 40mmx20mm with its reflex enclosure and it's much beefier. I've moved the video to the sound files section as thought a class 47 was rather off topic, sorry.. Cheers Keith Edited February 10, 2012 by skin_2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted February 2, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2012 Keith I have tested the decoder on a ESU decoder test rig and all funciotns worked fine including motor. I tested the loco on the layout using Digitrax system but no motion or functions worked. I then tested the lco on a separate test track with a completely different Digitrax comman station then tried to read the settings via laptop and Sprog but still no joy. I have yet to get an alternative make of decoder to try that. I did look at ordering a Howes Loksound decoder but depsite their website showing them in stock, it showed them as out of stock when I got part way through ordering, so left it there. Will see if I can get an alternative decoder this weekendto see if I get any joy otherwise might strip out the circuit board and hard wire everything in as I know the motor works. Generally not had much luck with Dapol stuff upon fitting decoders although the very recent Dapol N scale purchases such as the bublecars and the Childrens livery class 66 have been fine. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 2, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2012 Hi all Perhaps worth logging progress with D6320 for Abbotswood. Headcodes installed - 8.50 and 9Z44 , thanks for that Trevor - using the Precision lables 3.5mm back lit digits with a dab of varnish to hold them in place - with you on that Geoff Loksound v4.0 chip with speaker as recommended by Dapol dave also installed - 10/10 for dcc friendliness , cheers Dave. Sound file is different to any other hydraulic but will I am sure get even better when that MAN v12 is brought back to life. Dont be put off if cab interiors appear difficult initially to remove - just gently ease the body sides away from the cab interiors and then extract inwards - easy really! WIll put up some video next time the layout is up Cheers Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted February 3, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2012 (edited) I have made a start on compiling some Data (see attached file) on the Prototype D63xx / Class 22, it's not complete and will no doubt contain a few errors. In order not to bog this thread down with updates, could you please PM any errors or omissions. If you think other fields should be added to the data then please let me know. I would like to thank all who have made a contribution to this thread, in particular Rugd22 and Trevor H. Edit - Allocations now added to file D63xx.pdf Edited February 3, 2012 by Pannier Tank 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 (edited) Question for Dave.... The old Lima class 30/31 model covered as many bases as they could by having serveral different body and nose mold parts which could be put together to form the body mold, where as AFAIK the Heljan class 23 is just one mold that will be modified over time to cover the different styles. If your 22 model is following the Heljan class 23 route, are you planning on doing a model of D6331 in green with full yellows before the mold is modified to do a different set of 22s? Only D6331 and D6312 (present mold only correct for D6331) carried this version of livery. If you do, expect bigger than ususal sales due to rareity! Cheers Jim Edited February 3, 2012 by D605Eagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Hi Jim, Easy one to answer ,albeit indirectly. The 22 tooling allows Dapol, at will, to chance the roof, the sides and nose ends at any time we choose ( providing we have designed the detail to go on the slides for those other variants), and mix and match, and change back to original configuration at anytime and how ever anytimes we choose. I planned well ahead on this one and realised this was the easiest, less expensive route, in the long run. This allows us, as we always use hard steel tools, to be still making class 22 models in 40 years time. Cheers Dave ( from Nuremburg where it was minus 15 last night) ;-) 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted February 4, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2012 Hi Jim, Easy one to answer ,albeit indirectly. The 22 tooling allows Dapol, at will, to chance the roof, the sides and nose ends at any time we choose ( providing we have designed the detail to go on the slides for those other variants), and mix and match, and change back to original configuration at anytime and how ever anytimes we choose. I planned well ahead on this one and realised this was the easiest, less expensive route, in the long run. This allows us, as we always use hard steel tools, to be still making class 22 models in 40 years time. Cheers Dave ( from Nuremburg where it was minus 15 last night) ;-) Dave, Congratulations on the foresight and thanks for the extra investment. I will await, (impatiently), the disc headcoded version. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 This allows us, as we always use hard steel tools, to be still making class 22 models in 40 years time. Farish do that (churn out 40 year old models). Whether they should is another question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 4, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2012 (edited) I've made a start on a pinned thread in the diesel-hydraulic group with class 22 detail variation. It will take time to complete - but will post here as it evolves. First information is on liveries, introduction and withdrawal dates, when and where scrapped. Please let me know if you find inaccuracies (with evidence) and let me know by PM or posting in the detail thread rather than clutter up this one. cheers. Neil Link here Edited February 4, 2012 by Downendian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 (edited) http://www.rmweb.co....__fromsearch__1 Edited March 16, 2012 by Trevor H 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 4, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2012 Excellent idea Trevor. I've just PMed David (Pannier Tank) and I'm happy to share info. Hadn't seen his PDF file until you pointed it out- thanks. Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Triang Paul Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I cancelled my 22 to risk the chance of a disc front being made. Thanks for the (sort of) confirmation that they will turn up within "40 years" !!! Now i like thw idea of a WR MAROON one............. And that goes EVEN MORE for the forthcoming 41 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mod6 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Given Downendian's topic on prototype detail differences http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/51518-class-22-detail-variation/ can I ask please that subsequent posts solely concerned with the real ones are posted over there and not here? Thanks for your cooperation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Hi Jim, Easy one to answer ,albeit indirectly. The 22 tooling allows Dapol, at will, to chance the roof, the sides and nose ends at any time we choose ( providing we have designed the detail to go on the slides for those other variants), and mix and match, and change back to original configuration at anytime and how ever anytimes we choose. I planned well ahead on this one and realised this was the easiest, less expensive route, in the long run. This allows us, as we always use hard steel tools, to be still making class 22 models in 40 years time. Cheers Dave ( from Nuremburg where it was minus 15 last night) ;-) Thankyou Dave, quick reply and informative too! I await a green 22 with full yellows with baited breath.,..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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