Dapol Class 22

[bubbles2]

Don't know if this has been mentioned as I haven't got time to scroll through 37 pages! But the BR blue model I saw that a fellow club member had bought. . was a shade of green! Nowhere near rail blue at all. He was going to repaint it anyway as he's doing some mods to it. . hopefully future batches will sort this out.

 

I bought this up back on page 33, post 815. No responce from Dapol, as far as I can see, just hope they sort it before the blue Westerns and D600s appear. It would be a real pain to have to respray every blue Dapol diesel.

[cctransuk]

Essentially, D6306 to D6333 were the first main production batch (so I think D6301 - 6305 were considered prototypes), and were all built with no headcode panels, and delivered in all-over green, of course. They were mostly/all(?) modified to have split headcode boxes during their lives, some of which had that 'non-standard' appearance (ie. higher up and bulkier).

 

So - if I understand what you're saying - the current Dapol model represents one of the main production batch D6306 to D6333 AFTER fitting of headcode panels.

 

This batch WERE delivered in overall green, but all those fitted with headcode panels had small yellow panels before or when they were converted.

 

Thus the current Dapol model cannot be prototypically produced in overall green.

 

Will Kernow consider commissioning the modification of the tools to allow an overall green version to be produced - there certainly seems to be plenty of interest?

 

Thanks,

John Isherwood.

Edited January 19, 2012 by cctransuk

[Geoff Endacott]

As I understand it, partly based on information given to me by a retired Laira fitter when I was researching a Silver Fox Class 22, the small handrails were almost vertical above the headcode boxes on D6334 onwards, but were horizontal on those up to and including D6333. There were other front end detail differences as well, such as the already-mentioned doors.

 

Essentially, D6306 to D6333 were the first main production batch (so I think D6301 - 6305 were considered prototypes), and were all built with no headcode panels, and delivered in all-over green, of course. They were mostly/all(?) modified to have split headcode boxes during their lives, some of which had that 'non-standard' appearance (ie. higher up and bulkier).

 

The locos from D6334 onwards formed a seperate production batch, and were delivered new with split headcode boxes. As I understand it, apart from the first 2 or 3 of this second batch (ie. D6334 - 35 or 36), all entered service with small yellow panels. Although there is a photo of D6356 in all-over green, it is important to remember that this photo is of a loco under test from the NBL works and was taken in Scotland...so is not representative of normal W.R. operating conditions.

 

Almost. The prototypes, with different grille arrangements, were D6300 - D6305. All except D6301 received headcode boxes.

 

Of the first production batch, D6306 - D6312 and D6333 had eyebrow vents above the cab windows.

 

That limits the Dapol model to D6313 - D6332 after headcode box conversion. However, there were several detail differences in the way the headcode boxes were fitted which is why the subject is such a minefield. Oddities include D6323 mentioned earlier in this thread.

 

If small yellow panels had not already been applied they were painted on during the headcode conversion. That is why none of the batch represented by the Dapol model can be green without yellow panels.

 

Geoff Endacott

[Phil Bullock]

Got my D6320 from local retailer yesterday. Super model - thanks Dave!

 

Phil

[spamcan61]

 

Thus the current Dapol model cannot be prototypically produced in overall green.

 

Will Kernow consider commissioning the modification of the tools to allow an overall green version to be produced - there certainly seems to be plenty of interest?

 

Thanks,

John Isherwood.

 

Personally I would very very much doubt if this would generate sufficient extra sales compared with just releasing the current model in all over green.

[cctransuk]

Personally I would very very much doubt if this would generate sufficient extra sales compared with just releasing the current model in all over green.

 

The likely support can be estimated - the number of order cancellations when it became known that the overall green version had been cancelled would be a guide.

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

[skin_2]

I got my D6320 earlier in the week. There was just one pickup not working so an improvement on my D6331. Fine after I'd cleaned a blob of what looked like varnish off the bronze strip. I fixed the valance panels lower down so that the body would fit on correctly and it now looks fine - the two locos look great double heading the china clay train.

[Captain Kernow]

The likely support can be estimated - the number of order cancellations when it became known that the overall green version had been cancelled would be a guide.

When you consider the number of photos published of all-over green examples, both of the first 6 prototype examples D6300 - D6305 (thanks, Geoff! ) and the first production batch from D6306 to D6333, there is certainly significant justification for the use of such machines on layouts set in the early 1960s.

 

There seem to have been a fair few of these (up to D6333) which were given small yellow panels prior to the fitment of split headcode boxes.

[Downendian]

All these recent posts have convinced me to go and brush up my knowledge on the class, and I've dug out the literature on class 22s and I've spent an enjoyable few hours refreshing my clearly ailing memory.

I will write a summary on the various detail differences between class members (including livery details) and pin a thread in the diesel hydraulic group and link it here. Naturally comments on inaccuracies (with photos) will be appreciated. It takes time to trawl for all these details in this thread, and I think a single comprehensive pinned post would be helpful. Nag me if this doesn't appear within the next week, or if you think this a silly idea.

Basically though for Dapol tooling purposes we have these body variants.

1. The production batch D6300-D6305 (with large bodyside grille). Five of these six locos had Swindon modified headcode boxes applied in various positions and sizes, D6301 was never modified. So with this group 1a (original) and 1b headcode boxes.

2. The first production batch D6306-D6333 which started out without headcode boxes, but were modified at Swindon, these included a large "headcode mounting bracket" (maybe my wrong terminology) prominent on the nose of the loco. The Dapol tooling is based in this batch but some had eyebrow vents as mentioned above, which the Dapol models don't have. As above thus 2a (original) 2b ( modified).

3. From D6334 onwards these had NBL fitted headcode boxes, lacking the mounting brackets and altered position of lights. I had thought these were relatively simple mods to do, but Dapol could consider this last numerous batch as it would only mean retooling the nose. I had a look at my two models this week, and these mods whilst none too difficult are a bit more work than I envisaged.

 

I do think the minus headcode (1) and (2) models would be very popular especially in GNYP

 

There were a number of variations based on grab rails, box positions and sizes, all will be posted soon.

 

Neil

[buffalo]

Good idea, Neil. A summary would be very useful as the length of this thread makes it difficult to track down such details.

 

Nick

[Pannier Tank]

Just a quick update. The class 22 booklet is now available from western Legacy publishing.

Linkypoos here!

http://www.westernso...ibookletnew.htm

Jim

 

As anyone actually received a copy of this booklet?

[Gulliver]

Not yet, I was charged in full in July last year but nothing has arrived yet.

[royaloak]

So you paid for a book in July and havent received it yet, have you tried to contact the seller since?

[TheDukeOfWellingtons]

This is 'normal' with Western Legacy, formerly Dartwest, Publishing. Books are announced and pre-orders are encouraged, then you get your book when its ready, sometimes quickly but ususally after a fairly long wait. Once you know what to expect its not a problem and according to their website the publishers are doing away with pre-ordering from now on and books will only be announced when they're ready and will be sold on a first-come-first-served basis. Ther Class 22 booklet will be followed in due course by a full sized hardback edition in the style of their Class 52 series.

[D605Eagle]

Yeah Adrian is a top chap, and the reasearch he has done into hydraulics has been second to non. Hes managed to produce a vast range of very specialist books and magazines. If taking the money up front gives him the finance to publish these books, then that just fine by me! Hopefully I'll get my 22 booklet next week.

Edited January 22, 2012 by D605Eagle

[D605Eagle]

There seem to have been a fair few of these (up to D6333) which were given small yellow panels prior to the fitment of split headcode boxes.

D6333 was very unusual in that it survived until 1967 in all over green with discs, and went straight to blue with full yellow ends with boxes. '33 was always one of the best 22s.

[roundhouse]

I bought D6313 yesterday. The loco works fine on DC. I fitted a Bachmann 21 pin decoder but it will not run. The decoder has been tested and works fine. I took the loco back to where I bought it and swapped for another one with the same number but again works fine on DC but once the decoder is installed it does not work, no lights etc.

 

 

I know there was an issue with the board having 22 pins on some earlier ones but this does have the correct 21 pins, so the board will only go one way round. Any one else had this issue?

 

Ian

Edited January 22, 2012 by roundhouse

[D605Eagle]

Well I finally got my D6320! no email or anything off the supplier that I was getting it, it just arrived. Still, it was an excelent price!

I do like the valances, a very novel idea even if the do drive you nuts when you take the body off. Anybody glued theirs to the chassis?

The only bit that I thought wasn't that good was the headcodes. I fitted them to one end, and they just didn't look right at all. To be honest, of all the lightup headcodes I've seen on models, the old Hornby class 25 looked the most realistic in my opinion. The use of transulcent white plastic with black background printed on to gave the right look when lit. Shame it was totally the wrong typeface. I've fitted Heljan hymek ones for now.

One amusing thing I did notice running it was with the lights off and the loco going a fair speed you could see light shining through the front vents making them look like mini marker lights!

Has anybody managed to get the cab out? I did gently try to get mine out but a horrid cracking noise put me off.

Jim

Edited January 23, 2012 by D605Eagle

[roundhouse]

I bought D6313 yesterday. The loco works fine on DC. I fitted a Bachmann 21 pin decoder but it will not run. The decoder has been tested and works fine. I took the loco back to where I bought it and swapped for another one with the same number but again works fine on DC but once the decoder is installed it does not work, no lights etc.

 

 

I know there was an issue with the board having 22 pins on some earlier ones but this does have the correct 21 pins, so the board will only go one way round. Any one else had this issue?

 

Ian

 

Just been thinknig re the issue I have with this loco on DCC... can someone who has another class 22 that is working OK on DCC have a look to see if the pre cut 22nd pin on the circuit board is the same on on theirs - I jsut got a feeling that the decoder plgs in the wrong way round but its just a hunch at the moment.

 

Ian

[buffalo]

Back on page 20, I posted a picture showing which pin needed removing on the original '22 pin' version. It is pin 11, so your's looks right.

 

Nick

[tetsudofan]

Know it may sound stupid but have you got the pins properly aligned? - say this because yesterday I fitted a 21pin decoder to a Hornby Rivarossi GySEV Cl. 5047 railcar and it did not work......changed it for another decoder and it still did not work. Took the decoder off and moved it slightly in one direction, plugged it in and it worked.......

 

Keith

[spamcan61]

This may or may not be significant, but playing 'spot the difference' between the photos, the wiring to the solder pads above N3 connector is transposed in terms of colours, roundhouse has orange red white (working away from N3), buffalo has white red orange.

Edited January 23, 2012 by spamcan61

[roundhouse]

Back on page 20, I posted a picture showing which pin needed removing on the original '22 pin' version. It is pin 11, so your's looks right.

 

Nick

 

Nick

 

Thanks for the link. i was going back through postings but as there are so many on this thread I must have missed yours.

 

Yes its the same pin that has been removed at factory / Dapol so must be another issue. I will try a different decoder now I have the loco at home just in case its something to do with it. All the pins do appear to align properly but will have another check..

 

Ian

[AlanVSparks]

Sorry but my D6313 NBL has failed!

 

one of the inner wheelsets has moved out of guage and lost its drive. On closer inspection the wheels are free to turn and not connected to the drive at all.

When is ran to start with all was well but then it developed a flat tyre noise and a knocking sound.

 

The other strange thing was an occasional overload on my NCE Power Cab, that was strange as well.

 

I was also suprised to see the decoder is fitted the other way up compared to Bachmann 21 pin sockets. its not just the arrangement of pins, the decoder sits on the Dapol circuit board components if you try to fit it the other way up.

 

All very sad, after a short run it was back in the box and return to the supplier.

 

 

 

 

[Gulliver]

So you paid for a book in July and havent received it yet, have you tried to contact the seller since?

I was responding to the previous poster asking if anyone had received the book. I did not see the need to contact the seller at this stage as previous posts showed they were only just sending them out. It has arrived today and no doubt they are working through their orders. I had not realised that pre-ordering through that supplier meant paying up front as well, but if I had known I would probably still have done so anyway. The good news is the booklet suggets a hard back book being a difinitive history is also on the way. I am sure these models have increased interest in the prototype?