Show us your Pugbashes, Nellieboshes, Desmondifications, Jintysteins

[SteveyDee68]

On 27/01/2024 at 22:40, Hacksworth_Sidings said:

 

 

 

 

Some hefty big ‘Z’ class side tanks on that and it could easily pass as a ‘big’ shunting loco for hump yard work etc!

 

HOURS OF FUN!

Edited January 30 by SteveyDee68

[cypherman]

You could almost turn it in to one of these.

[Hacksworth_Sidings]

3 hours ago, SteveyDee68 said:

Some hefty big ‘Z’ class side tanks on that and it could easily pass as a ‘big’ shunting loco for hump yard work etc!

 

HOURS OF FUN!

Again, good idea… Thinking GWR 6100 side tanks though, not really thinking logically about the design, but I imagine it’d be a short distance, heavy freight loco, beefy tank engine to haul long trains over short distances, a private industry loco maybe? Owned by a business like a steel mill or a colliery, designed to take long trains of product to the nearest yard for larger, more powerful, long distance, heavy freight locos to take onwards from there, as opposed to doing several small trips with smaller locos.

 

Just an idea for now, it was honestly just created out of sheer boredom.

[MrWolf]

It's got me thinking about a bigger brother of the GCR 9N, or a BR Standard replacement.

 

https://images.app.goo.gl/rvAij5BbFCtdapmJ9

[John Besley]

11 minutes ago, MrWolf said:

It's got me thinking about a bigger brother of the GCR 9N, or a BR Standard replacement.

 

https://images.app.goo.gl/rvAij5BbFCtdapmJ9

 

Rob that's a bit big for Ashton On Clun...be fun build though 

[MrWolf]

19 minutes ago, John Besley said:

 

Rob that's a bit big for Ashton On Clun...be fun build though 

 

I don't think that it would make it over the river bridge, clearance wise, never mind the weight. The Churchward mogul only just squeezes through.

 

When I win the lottery, perhaps I'll build a stretch of the GW/GC joint line?

 

I do think that the bitsa loco is rather inspired and ought to pass for a never was BR Standard with the tanks fitted.

[Johnson044]

On 29/01/2024 at 01:45, Cunningham Loco & Machine Works said:

Here is a work-in-progress shot of a real hybrid, of which more information probably to follow later. I consider the identity of model locomotives to derive from the chassis, and thus consider it an ongoing rebuild of a Tyco 4-6-0. That said, it presently incorporates: the chassis thereof, body shell from a Wrenn R1 scrapped when her drivers were found to be irreparably damaged, cylinder saddle, crosshead guides and forward main rod sections from scrap Rivarossi “Casey Jones”, handbuilt brass frame extensions and crosshead guide yoke, and incidental scratchbuilt styrene components.

Quite hard to find a prototype 0-6-0T with outside cylinders and an asymmetrical wheelbase, with the wider spacing at the rear. Here's one from the Prototype for Everything Dept.

[John Besley]

46 minutes ago, Johnson044 said:

Quite hard to find a prototype 0-6-0T with outside cylinders and an asymmetrical wheelbase, with the wider spacing at the rear. Here's one from the Prototype for Everything Dept.

 

Is that in a magazine or a book?

 

Looks rather fascinating collection of photos 

[Johnson044]

It's a book called "Mainline to Industry" by Frank Jones, Lightmoor Press, ISBN 1 899889 02 7. . A photographic record of Pre-Grouping and Big Four locos that were sold off into industry by the parent company. Worth getting if, like me, the real obscurities hit the spot. Some nice inspiration for this thread, I think!

[RedGemAlchemist]

On 31/01/2024 at 16:13, Johnson044 said:

Quite hard to find a prototype 0-6-0T with outside cylinders and an asymmetrical wheelbase, with the wider spacing at the rear. Here's one from the Prototype for Everything Dept.

Both look like something I'd have running on the KLR to be honest.

[25kV]

It's been a long while since I built an Airfix/Dapol Pug...  In fact I think it was around 1980 if this photo is dated accurately.  I'd just built the one on the left - the one on the right is the remains of my dad's Kitmaster attempt from a generation earlier.  No paint, just decals straight on to plastic. 

 

Inspired by this thread a mere 44 years on (with a pause in other projects while waiting for paint), I wondered if it might be time to build another Pug kit or two... and perhaps create a small variation on the original.  Not sure whether it truly qualifies for this topic, as it's unpowered and the wheels won't even rotate fully, but here it is anyway!  Not sure how this is going to blend in with the APT fleet, but whatever!

 

Presenting the Pugger-Garratt, an insane L&Y design for hauling massively long freights along tightly curved dockside sidings under low bridges on incredibly steep hills.  Seen here sitting on a bit of OO gauge track dumped unceremoniously atop my dad's OO9 layout for the scenic backdrop.

 

The boiler is from a Hornby 3F body, I think - it looked "about right" on the Peter's Spares website, albeit a Midland design rather than L&Y.  Cab, tanks, running gear, chimney and dome are from the pug kits; the coal bunker (inspired by the design of a NZ Garratt) is carved from an old Dapol 9F kit tender (I pulled it apart to investigate whether the 9F's boiler might suit - it might have suited...), while the mid-section frame is plasticard and H-beams.  Some very basic plastic-rod-in-hole pivots provide articulation.

 

A bit of Photoshop AI smoke just for fun.  It's still in need of some numbers and a couple of other details.  I wanted to keep a certain Puggishness to the look of the loco, hence trying to find a boiler of similar dimensions to the curve of the original saddle tanks, and using the chimney/dome from the kit (probably impractical in reality for a that size of boiler!).

 

Broadside view - it comes in at about a scale 60ft over the buffers.  I suspect in reality it'd need a little more in the way of wheels ... I completely failed to install weights in the tanks, so both engine units are ever-so-slightly nose-up with the weight of the boiler on their tails.

 

Catching the rays on the curve, and highlighting my badly-carved plasticard end plates on the tanks...

 

Stabled with my more usual traction preferences.

 

And as for what happened to that 1980 pug kit ...

 

 

It spent a few decades in the attic, but was rolled out to meet its crazy cousin. 😉

 

[Hacksworth_Sidings]

Wasn’t there a similar conversion shown in a magazine a few decades ago? Though it was much smaller, utilising the pug boiler as opposed to a 3F’s, can’t remember where I’ve seen it, certainly on RMWeb*, possibly hidden somewhere on the Airfix/Kitmaster thread…

 

Regardless, I’m all for crazy, unorthodox locomotives, love seeing such designs being produced bad physical models instead of just being in the realm of drawings!
 

*Found it! 33C had sent me photos of these articles a few months ago, top is a double fairlie Pug, bottom is the garratt I mentioned…

 

Edited February 5 by Hacksworth_Sidings

[25kV]

I had a suspicious feeling I'd not be the first to try it!  😁

[melmerby]

The Cambrian had a couple of their rather less than ideal purchase of BP Met tanks turned into 4-4-0 tender engines at the BP works.

(They originally paid £500 each, so probably considered a bargain)

[AlfaZagato]

In-line with the Pug-Garrett, I remember reading an article to convert two Minitrix N-scale 0-6-0's into a B-G.   That article led me to consider similar with two of Trainman 0-4-0's that had very simple construction.  Not done a thing with the idea...

[33C]

1 hour ago, 25kV said:

Pugger-Garratt,

Parratt. (Beautiful plumage).

[John Besley]

Nothing wrong either a Pug kit bashed... many years ago in the year '71 I made an Airfix pug with a open cab and chimney top from an Stepenson "rocket" with the saddle tank and cab sides finished off in MR Marron along with the footplate crew from the "Rocket" and a triang Rocket coach I had a 1870 train .... all good fun

 

No pictures survived or if taken they've long since gone... 

[Northmoor]

3 hours ago, 25kV said:

I had a suspicious feeling I'd not be the first to try it!  😁

I vaguely remember a Pug-Garratt in an edition of Model Railway Constructor, dating from before you or I were born.....

[25kV]

1 minute ago, Northmoor said:

I vaguely remember a Pug-Garratt in an edition of Model Railway Constructor, dating from before you or I were born.....

It's slightly alarming to realise that the same tooling (ish) has been on the go for at least 65 years...   We're at least a few years behind that ourselves, but seem to be catching up alarmingly quickly.

[Corbs]

On 05/02/2024 at 17:12, 25kV said:

It's been a long while since I built an Airfix/Dapol Pug...  In fact I think it was around 1980 if this photo is dated accurately.  I'd just built the one on the left - the one on the right is the remains of my dad's Kitmaster attempt from a generation earlier.  No paint, just decals straight on to plastic. 

 

Inspired by this thread a mere 44 years on (with a pause in other projects while waiting for paint), I wondered if it might be time to build another Pug kit or two... and perhaps create a small variation on the original.  Not sure whether it truly qualifies for this topic, as it's unpowered and the wheels won't even rotate fully, but here it is anyway!  Not sure how this is going to blend in with the APT fleet, but whatever!

 

Presenting the Pugger-Garratt, an insane L&Y design for hauling massively long freights along tightly curved dockside sidings under low bridges on incredibly steep hills.  Seen here sitting on a bit of OO gauge track dumped unceremoniously atop my dad's OO9 layout for the scenic backdrop.

 

The boiler is from a Hornby 3F body, I think - it looked "about right" on the Peter's Spares website, albeit a Midland design rather than L&Y.  Cab, tanks, running gear, chimney and dome are from the pug kits; the coal bunker (inspired by the design of a NZ Garratt) is carved from an old Dapol 9F kit tender (I pulled it apart to investigate whether the 9F's boiler might suit - it might have suited...), while the mid-section frame is plasticard and H-beams.  Some very basic plastic-rod-in-hole pivots provide articulation.

 

A bit of Photoshop AI smoke just for fun.  It's still in need of some numbers and a couple of other details.  I wanted to keep a certain Puggishness to the look of the loco, hence trying to find a boiler of similar dimensions to the curve of the original saddle tanks, and using the chimney/dome from the kit (probably impractical in reality for a that size of boiler!).

 

Broadside view - it comes in at about a scale 60ft over the buffers.  I suspect in reality it'd need a little more in the way of wheels ... I completely failed to install weights in the tanks, so both engine units are ever-so-slightly nose-up with the weight of the boiler on their tails.

 

Catching the rays on the curve, and highlighting my badly-carved plasticard end plates on the tanks...

 

Stabled with my more usual traction preferences.

 

And as for what happened to that 1980 pug kit ...

 

 

It spent a few decades in the attic, but was rolled out to meet its crazy cousin. 😉

 

Love it! Top bashing.

[Barclay]

On 05/02/2024 at 17:12, 25kV said:

It's been a long while since I built an Airfix/Dapol Pug...  In fact I think it was around 1980 if this photo is dated accurately.  I'd just built the one on the left - the one on the right is the remains of my dad's Kitmaster attempt from a generation earlier.  No paint, just decals straight on to plastic. 

 

Inspired by this thread a mere 44 years on (with a pause in other projects while waiting for paint), I wondered if it might be time to build another Pug kit or two... and perhaps create a small variation on the original.  Not sure whether it truly qualifies for this topic, as it's unpowered and the wheels won't even rotate fully, but here it is anyway!  Not sure how this is going to blend in with the APT fleet, but whatever!

 

Presenting the Pugger-Garratt, an insane L&Y design for hauling massively long freights along tightly curved dockside sidings under low bridges on incredibly steep hills.  Seen here sitting on a bit of OO gauge track dumped unceremoniously atop my dad's OO9 layout for the scenic backdrop.

 

The boiler is from a Hornby 3F body, I think - it looked "about right" on the Peter's Spares website, albeit a Midland design rather than L&Y.  Cab, tanks, running gear, chimney and dome are from the pug kits; the coal bunker (inspired by the design of a NZ Garratt) is carved from an old Dapol 9F kit tender (I pulled it apart to investigate whether the 9F's boiler might suit - it might have suited...), while the mid-section frame is plasticard and H-beams.  Some very basic plastic-rod-in-hole pivots provide articulation.

 

A bit of Photoshop AI smoke just for fun.  It's still in need of some numbers and a couple of other details.  I wanted to keep a certain Puggishness to the look of the loco, hence trying to find a boiler of similar dimensions to the curve of the original saddle tanks, and using the chimney/dome from the kit (probably impractical in reality for a that size of boiler!).

 

Broadside view - it comes in at about a scale 60ft over the buffers.  I suspect in reality it'd need a little more in the way of wheels ... I completely failed to install weights in the tanks, so both engine units are ever-so-slightly nose-up with the weight of the boiler on their tails.

 

Catching the rays on the curve, and highlighting my badly-carved plasticard end plates on the tanks...

 

Stabled with my more usual traction preferences.

 

And as for what happened to that 1980 pug kit ...

 

 

It spent a few decades in the attic, but was rolled out to meet its crazy cousin. 😉

 

A work of art !

[Hacksworth_Sidings]

On 05/02/2024 at 17:24, Hacksworth_Sidings said:

Wasn’t there a similar conversion shown in a magazine a few decades ago? Though it was much smaller, utilising the pug boiler as opposed to a 3F’s, can’t remember where I’ve seen it, certainly on RMWeb*, possibly hidden somewhere on the Airfix/Kitmaster thread…

 

Regardless, I’m all for crazy, unorthodox locomotives, love seeing such designs being produced bad physical models instead of just being in the realm of drawings!
 

*Found it! 33C had sent me photos of these articles a few months ago, top is a double fairlie Pug, bottom is the garratt I mentioned…

 

 

So I’ve been thinking.. In the first article I shared in that post, it shows another pugbash, an 0-6-0T for TT track (narrow gauge in 4mm scale), presumably built around the Triang TT Jinty chassis…

 

 

…Could OO wheels be fitted to the Triang TT Jinty chassis? I’m still on the hunt for a good OO, short wheelbase chassis, so if such is possible then I’ll start looking into that…

[AlfaZagato]

I'd imagine it would come down to axle diameter.   Could definitely fit spacers on axles to prevent excessive sideplay.

[Annie]

12 hours ago, Hacksworth_Sidings said:

…Could OO wheels be fitted to the Triang TT Jinty chassis? I’m still on the hunt for a good OO, short wheelbase chassis, so if such is possible then I’ll start looking into that…

Some years ago I fitted a set of 2 rail Hornby Dublo wheels on to a Triang TT Jinty chassis and it took me no time at all to do.  It was a very easy conversion.

I fitted a Triang 'Nellie' bodyshell that had been carefully painted in LMS lined black livery onto the chassis and a right corker little engine it looked too.

[Hacksworth_Sidings]

What wheels did you use? Duchess? N2? R1? R1 might be doable as I have one on order right now… At the same time, I’m debating what to do with that, as I already have an R1, a Wrenn one, so taking its wheels for other projects could be doable… But the R1 chassis is a pretty good one, unsure what I’ll do with it just yet.