cb900f Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Why would anyone want to preserve a 66 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Why wouldn't they? I expect some people couldn't see why any diesels would be preserved, but plenty are. I wasn't that keen on them to start with, but I quite like them now (I don't have to work with them, though)... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Why would anyone want to preserve a 66 ? One day there will probably be a Pendolino preserved at Crewe Heritage centre. We have to accept now that 20 year 66s are just the same as a 47 or a Black 5 or a Dean Goods - they are part of the history of hum drum engines that trace our railway development. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted August 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2017 10 66 s for sale! Sounds a right battle o Hastings to me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted August 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2017 10 66 s for sale! Sounds a right battle o Hastings to me It'll be 'one in the eye' to the other freight operators. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted August 8, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 8, 2017 One day there will probably be a Pendolino preserved at Crewe Heritage centre. We have to accept now that 20 year 66s are just the same as a 47 or a Black 5 or a Dean Goods - they are part of the history of hum drum engines that trace our railway development. Rather implying that everything is really equal, which I don't believe. That said there's no denying that the 66s are a very significant part of the post privatisation freight scene, love them or loathe them, which means they'll be a significant part of the UK's rail history in the future, so deserve preservation for that alone. You could just as well ask why anyone would buy a model of one, but a current image model with some freight on it without one is probably missing something... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Why wouldn't they? I expect some people couldn't see why any diesels would be preserved, but plenty are. There is a massive difference between preserving something from an enthusiasts point of view, and justifying its existence as an asset to a preserved railway- hence the number of heavy freight diesels and EMUs that have been saved but later scrapped or sold back into industry. Heavy freight steam is less of an issue if the line can justify their haulage capabilities as the slow speeds suit their smaller wheels and they were rarely overworked, but diesels suffer under the same circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal.n Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 IIRC, 66779 (Evening Star) was bought outright by GBRf, unlike others in that batch which are leased, and it has been promised as a donation to the NRM whenever it reaches the end of its useful life. On another preservation note, many preserved lines will also be restricted gauge-wise and for axle loads so don't expect to see 66s as common as 37 on preserved lines as they are today. (Again, talking a LONG way in the future) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2017 I know the NRM has done some bad things in the past but nothing bad enough to warrant that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Why would anyone want to preserve a 66 ? As saviour of UK freight ? If it wasn't for these there wouldn't be any freight on rail Though as it turns out rail freight seems quite competitive with several serious players of varying size, all taking work from each other. And the one which seems to be struggling most is the largest... Very true these days ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 There is a massive difference between preserving something from an enthusiasts point of view, and justifying its existence as an asset to a preserved railway- hence the number of heavy freight diesels and EMUs that have been saved but later scrapped or sold back into industry. Heavy freight steam is less of an issue if the line can justify their haulage capabilities as the slow speeds suit their smaller wheels and they were rarely overworked, but diesels suffer under the same circumstances. I don't see that there's a massive amount of use for them in preservation, not least because the heritage sector seems to be committed to vacuum brakes pretty universally (except the IOW, which would be a pretty amusing destination for a shed), and 66s are air only. But whilst I don't think they will come close to the number of 37s preserved, I'd be absolutely amazed if none at all found homes. I could see them being useful as steam support machines on the main line as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted August 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2017 Installinga vacuum break would be feasable if that was the only obstacle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I'd have thought more likely a 66 would be used for occasional main line charters rather than on a preserved railway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEDDYBEAR D9521 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Installinga vacuum break would be feasable if that was the only obstacle. Installing a vacuum brake isn't as easy you think it would cost mega bucks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2017 There isn't much room for exhausters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Waiting for the day one joins 45015 on the Battlefield line which by the sounds of these 10 locos is all they are fit for - component recovery or a shell to replace a damaged loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 They were all originally leased as I understood things so maybe they're coming off lease? I thought Angel owned them; when I just checked the bible, they were shown as Angel assets in the 2016 Edition, but DB in this year's! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 By the sound of it, this class is prone to cracked engine blocks & the complications of getting them repaired/replaced is writing them off. If so, are they now likely to fail at a high rate & cause a motive power shortage? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brack Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I think the engine block in many emd locos is a welded construction. Cracks occur, but can be fixed relatively easily if you can be bothered to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
25901 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Waterman could buy one,spend maga pounds on it, paint it black, run it for a couple of years till it breaks, take it apart, lose all the bits and then take it to Peak Rail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted October 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2017 Since the DB website now says they have no locomotives for sale, presumably the tender period for these 66s has now closed. So is there any news on buyers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty11 Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 There is word circulating of them being GBRf bound although that isn't confirmed. Some have returned to active work though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2017 There is word circulating of them being GBRf bound although that isn't confirmed. Some have returned to active work though. 2 are being used on RHTT duties. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted October 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 are being used on RHTT duties. Cheers, Mick So they'll be handed over to a new owner in a filthy condition and with wheel flats all round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2017 So they'll be handed over to a new owner in a filthy condition and with wheel flats all round. One careful owner................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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