black and decker boy Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 What is happening to the coaches from the sets going to Brush then? One post says storage, another says Wabtec Doncaster. Both. The Off lease sets are often split. Coaches no body wants go to Ely. Coaches for Scotrail to Wabtec. Not sure if any go into short term store waiting space but certain that many at Ely are Off lease and unwanted for any short sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 What is happening to the coaches from the sets going to Brush then? One post says storage, another says Wabtec Doncaster. No coaches are going to Brush, they are modifying the power cars, the coaches are being modified at Doncaster, the stored coaches (long and short term) are at Ely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chameleon Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Are any of the HST fleet already scrapped? Accident damage and suchlike? Don’t think I’ve heard of any actually meeting their end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Are any of the HST fleet already scrapped? Accident damage and suchlike? Don’t think I’ve heard of any actually meeting their end. Yes, lead powercars at Ufton Nervett, Ladbroke Grove and Southall were all written off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 So the ones at Ely at surplus to requirements and will probably end up scrapped? Or are they held as spares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 So the ones at Ely at surplus to requirements and will probably end up scrapped? Or are they held as spares? Most are surplus (at least for now), some are waiting to go to Doncaster for door and bog mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Anyone over 6ft tall will have to be careful as they enter or leave the coaches as they are a bit low. I would just like to compliment Laira on sorting out the 'issues' the coaches were delivered with, I didnt expect the coaches out for a few more days after reading about and seeing all the problems, well done Lads. That'll be good news for XC then, with the news of Laira being thrown a lifeline of the AXC HST maintenance from this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted March 22, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 22, 2018 These new doors are fairly unobtrusive compared to the plug ones on Chiltern. While the purists might not like it I’m thinking that might allow Hornby to get away with a new liveried ScotRail inter7city rake without resorting to new tooling. While everyone wants absolute accuracy retooling the Mk3s for the new door would probably kill a model economically , but if it’s just a relivery we may get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 These new doors are fairly unobtrusive compared to the plug ones on Chiltern. While the purists might not like it I’m thinking that might allow Hornby to get away with a new liveried ScotRail inter7city rake without resorting to new tooling. While everyone wants absolute accuracy retooling the Mk3s for the new door would probably kill a model economically , but if it’s just a relivery we may get one. Well if you are happy with a fudge then fine. I wouldn't. I thought the hobby was moving away from class 33s in CIE livery and suchlike but perhaps it is a good job I don't want any HST models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 ....While the purists might not like it I’m thinking that might allow Hornby to get away with a new liveried ScotRail inter7city rake without resorting to new tooling. ...... Don't worry. These will suffice for the "less fussy"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Yes, lead powercars at Ufton Nervett, Ladbroke Grove and Southall were all written off. 43019, 43011 and 43173 respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 These new doors are fairly unobtrusive compared to the plug ones on Chiltern. While the purists might not like it I’m thinking that might allow Hornby to get away with a new liveried ScotRail inter7city rake without resorting to new tooling. While everyone wants absolute accuracy retooling the Mk3s for the new door would probably kill a model economically , but if it’s just a relivery we may get one. The doors are recessed, not flush with the side, and the windows are a different shape. I don't see how you get away (as a manufacturer) with just repainting an existing model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouser Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Two power cars and four coaches, these should really move. Not bad for an old design! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted March 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2018 The doors are recessed, not flush with the side, and the windows are a different shape. I don't see how you get away (as a manufacturer) with just repainting an existing model. Well if it’s that or nothing , which one would you vote for? Can you see a manufacturer altering the tooling just to do GWR and ScotRail versions .doubt that’s economic . If it’s so offensive for the puritans they can still modify the doors 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Well if it’s that or nothing , which one would you vote for? Can you see a manufacturer altering the tooling just to do GWR and ScotRail versions .doubt that’s economic . If it’s so offensive for the puritans they can still modify the doors From what I gather from the Oxford Mk3 Thread, somebody at Oxford Rail said that they were looking at tooling for the Power Door versions? Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 From what I gather from the Oxford Mk3 Thread, somebody at Oxford Rail said that they were looking at tooling for the Power Door versions? Simon I'm just glad my chosen era celebrates its half-century this year, because from what I could make out the Oxfords have their detractors as it is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Well if it’s that or nothing , which one would you vote for? Can you see a manufacturer altering the tooling just to do GWR and ScotRail versions .doubt that’s economic . If it’s so offensive for the puritans they can still modify the doors And cross country. And you never know, with plenty of spare powers cars and trailers, maybe other TOCs will take some on - a HST WAG as those mk3 LHCS are non compliant 31-12-19 Unlikely that EMT will get done but VTEC still a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted March 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 24, 2018 Well you never know, Hornby might think it’s a way of usefully extending the appeal of their Mk3s . Ironically HSTs have never been so modelable thanks to the short formations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) And cross country. And you never know, with plenty of spare powers cars and trailers, maybe other TOCs will take some on - a HST WAG as those mk3 LHCS are non compliant 31-12-19 Unlikely that EMT will get done but VTEC still a possibility. Errm, not exactly, as those 'plenty of spare' (HST) trailers are also non compliant on 01-01-20, it's only the trailers selected for being re-deployed that are going in for conversion. And by WAG do you mean West Anglia? - as I understand it, the new Anglia franchise has already ordered a complete fleet of new trains So it's also likely that with EMT, theirs are likely to be done, or possibly are already booked to be, as it seemslikely at present they may be retained beyond 2019. The VTEC sets being done is unlikely, as I understand it they have looked at the possibility of retaining them, but the Works to do the conversions are apparently now booked up. There's even, I've heard, been consideration of the feasibility of converting MkIVs to work with HST power cars. And while on the subject of MkIVs, apparently 91109 is presently in an extremely precarious possition! Edited March 25, 2018 by Ken.W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) I think he means the Welsh Assembly Groups WAG, class 67 hauled mark 3s. Once the conversions are sorted (the one delivered to GWR had a lot of 'issues') there is no reason why other Angel Trains owned mark 3 coaches cant be converted, the Porterbrook ones cant be converted as Angel own the rights to the conversion unless Porterbrook 'buy in' to the conversions. Edited March 25, 2018 by royaloak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Thanks, could only think of Anglia still using non-coverted LH Mk3s. There seems to be some problem with works capacity to now have additional trailers converted before the 2020 deadline, as VTEC have looked at retaining (all) their sets in view of the issues with the 800s on diesel, but it apperently wasn't feasible (or maybe they're owned by the 'wrong' ROSCO?), hence the consideration of converting MkIVs for use with HST power cars. Although at present no-one seems to know what they'll be running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) Hi, Here’s a video of the 2+4 pocket rockets with plug doors:(begins at 3:22) Apparently they are to be known as Class 255 ‘Castles’ Simon Edited March 30, 2018 by St. Simon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) Two power cars and four coaches, these should really move. Not bad for an old design! Just as long as they don't go too fast (2+4 is not recommended for high speed.........) Cheers, Mick Edited March 30, 2018 by newbryford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) Just as long as they don't go too fast (2+4 is not recommended for high speed.........) Cheers, Mick Shortest allowable formation for 125mph running is 2+5. Maximum permitted speed for a 2+4 formation is 100mph, which is higher than any line speed west of Plymouth anyway. Acceleration should be pretty lively, though. John Edited March 30, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Hi, Here’s a video of the 2+4 pocket rockets with plug doors:(begins at 3:22) https://youtu.be/PHtret_Z7_U Apparently they are to be known as Class 255 ‘Castles’ Simon 255 yes, castles no (and it doesn't matter how hard they try), and it's only 255 because that is the entry on our driving licences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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