cal.n Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 ‘Ordinary passenger’ paths now on RTT for tommorow until Friday. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O09931/2018/06/18/advanced 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Cue a big increase in revenue as enthusiasts from all over the country flock for a bit of rateable haulage over a previously DMU only line 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 So this morning my stopping service from Warrington to Oxford Red despite being on time got stuck outside Deansgate for half an hour waiting for a path through and the reversal of the preceding service Better an on time bus than a train that can’t go anywhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted June 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18, 2018 So this morning my stopping service from Warrington to Oxford Red despite being on time got stuck outside Deansgate for half an hour waiting for a path through and the reversal of the preceding service Better an on time bus than a train that can’t go anywhere Buses can get stuck in traffic as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Buses can get stuck in traffic as well. Don't get me started on the quality of Bus services, trains get a bad press but buses are so much worse and seem to escape the level of critical analysis applied to the railways, it is a total lottery if our local bus turns up at all, never mind turning up on time. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnH Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 ... it is a total lottery if our local bus turns up at all, never mind turning up on time. A similar situation in our neck of the woods.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovex Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Now reported here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-44518052 seems to be more than just a one day wonder Rovex 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Seems I unfairly maligned it as a political stunt. So I retract that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18, 2018 Seems I unfairly maligned it as a political stunt. So I retract that. Actually...…… I think there has been a degree of posturing on the political side. And I'll leave it there. Cheers, Mick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Are 'sinners' allowed to use Tim's trains? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoholic Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Seems I unfairly maligned it as a political stunt. So I retract that. You could argue that the whole rail franchising process is a political stunt. It certainly doesn't seem to have much to do with normal commercial activity. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) See its half way to my original post on 4th June ( #2) 2 weeks its taken to arrange and start the service ! Edited June 18, 2018 by johnd 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal.n Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Post #113? My next prediction is England to win... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejames Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 hi at one level seems good but I would like to know who is paying? mike james Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoholic Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 hi at one level seems good but I would like to know who is paying? mike james Dept for Transport, according to the BBC. Can't see Mr Carnforth doing it for nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 hi at one level seems good but I would like to know who is paying? mike james Well it won’t be Mr Farron so I am guessing we are! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted June 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18, 2018 But it shows it’s possible. Maybe the line needs to be a local franchise instead of part of a major one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I'd imagine the biggest challenge with a micro-franchise is rolling stock availability, given that they'd have a tiny fleet so a failure would cause mayhem. Look at what happens to Hull Trains when one of their units isn't available when it should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted June 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18, 2018 They could always lease a class 230 and become a community rail partnership, that seems to be a good route for the desperate. Sorry, little bit of cynicism there. Won't happen again 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejames Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 further to my earlier post The red tape for (and cost of) getting permission to run trains is vast. This seems to set all sorts of presidents(?spelling) It seems that basically people have turned up and run trains. I'm sure the drivers etc have the appropriate route knowledge etc but the idea that this might happen all over the network is mind blowing. Just an example Arriva wales frequently cancel trains on the Conwy valley line if they are short of sets. (like northern they have bus replacement plans) Could west coast railways just step in and run trains? While we might cheer that trains are running the knock on consequences of this seem to be vast mike j Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal.n Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 further to my earlier post The red tape for (and cost of) getting permission to run trains is vast. This seems to set all sorts of presidents(?spelling) It seems that basically people have turned up and run trains. I'm sure the drivers etc have the appropriate route knowledge etc but the idea that this might happen all over the network is mind blowing. Just an example Arriva wales frequently cancel trains on the Conwy valley line if they are short of sets. (like northern they have bus replacement plans) Could west coast railways just step in and run trains? While we might cheer that trains are running the knock on consequences of this seem to be vast mike j Why not? If they get that paths. What you are describing sounds like the privatised railway at its best, with competition. I fully understand where you are coming from, but why not? Obviously NR will only give paths such that the franchise holder isn’t disturbed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted June 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18, 2018 I'd imagine the biggest challenge with a micro-franchise is rolling stock availability, given that they'd have a tiny fleet so a failure would cause mayhem. Look at what happens to Hull Trains when one of their units isn't available when it should be. Would it be any worse than Northern , that can’t seem to run the service for weeks anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Brit15 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 They could always lease a class 230 and become a community rail partnership, that seems to be a good route for the desperate. Sorry, little bit of cynicism there. Won't happen again The Norfolk and Suffolk CRPs have done remarkable things in turning round the ridership on the Wherry and Bittern Lines. CRPs when properly resourced by the partner authorities and with effective CRP officers who have some sort of railway background and local knowledge can achieve great things, with limited resources, helping generate all year round traffic on what would be otherwise highly seasonal and expensive to run lines. It also means the costs are shared by more than one organisation. It's the polar opposite of desperation, it's a tried and tested way of making limited resources go further by sharing the burden, whether it be publicity or station improvements. CRPs generally do not get into buying or leasing stock, that is not what they are about. We need more CRPs and a better understanding of what a CRP is rather than making judgements about "desperation". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted June 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2018 Surely Pat Marshall deserves to be made a DBE at the very least for enabling WCRC to reintroduce the Windermere service with classic traction? Why not make this a permanent feature with a heritage DMU? Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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