RMweb Gold pheaton Posted October 7, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: Only thing niggling me now is that I have yet to see a photo of the model with the rear bogie sandboxes fitted. Not sure if all the photos seen so far are preproduction though they are absent as far as I can see on the Hornby Mag review sample. Surely not a user added extra? Will hang fire from ‘adding to basket’ until I see a production sample. Peaks lost the rear sandboxes quite early on, its correct for the loco. 26s also lost there rear sand boxes early on as well....and the reason for this is that when a loco slips its normally the leading wheel sets that slip because the weight transfers to the rear of the locomotive. so sanding the inner wheel sets has little or no impact, since the sanding system is powered by air...its a source for air leaks...and a source of locomotive failure. Since the EP valves are powered electrically for the sanding system on most locos there's an electrical failure angle as well... So ergo...since sand has a negligible effect at most on the inner wheel sets and its cost and source of failure...it was a quick win to delete it.... this is also the reason why class 50s had weight compensation/transfer equipment in the early days. note the missing sandbox on the rear of 043s bogies.. Edited October 7, 2022 by pheaton 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted October 7, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2022 58 minutes ago, pheaton said: Peaks lost the rear sandboxes quite early on, its correct for the loco. 26s also lost there rear sand boxes early on as well....and the reason for this is that when a loco slips its normally the leading wheel sets that slip because the weight transfers to the rear of the locomotive. so sanding the inner wheel sets has little or no impact, since the sanding system is powered by air...its a source for air leaks...and a source of locomotive failure. Since the EP valves are powered electrically for the sanding system on most locos there's an electrical failure angle as well... So ergo...since sand has a negligible effect at most on the inner wheel sets and its cost and source of failure...it was a quick win to delete it.... this is also the reason why class 50s had weight compensation/transfer equipment in the early days. note the missing sandbox on the rear of 043s bogies.. Thanks for the informative reply - the explanation for the reason is especially enlightening. Do you know the approximate year the sandboxes were removed? - I've yet to see a picture of clean green Type 4 with them absent. Sticking by my maxim 'Dont let the perfect be the enemy of the good' I will be clicking that 'Add to basket' button' regardless :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aureol40012 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 5 hours ago, rob D2 said: I'm talking about producing models now - not what a bunch of people got excited about in 1977-1985, who will be 50 plus ( and of course not all are modellers ) The 40 was geographically limited , and has no interest or relevance to the younger generation modelling today - they still get to see 37s and 47s daily , your 40s are long since razor blades . Guess what they are going to buy in model form . And i read recently ( in REX ) that the demand for 40 rail tours dropped off a cliff rapidly after they finished , to the extent some were cancelled . If you are going to throw insults and ???!!! about at least try and reason your argument beyond your own obsession 1) The 40145 tour in November sold out in hours. 2) The proportion of people who model current day is a small proportion of modellers. 3) BR blue is consistently the range highest in demand. 4) Are you genuinely claiming that The Beatles were only the biggest band in the world whilst they were around and no longer are because the original fans are old/dead? 5) the age group you speak of are the demographic who are most represented amongst modellers. 6) lose your own prejudices and look at things objectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold pheaton Posted October 7, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: Thanks for the informative reply - the explanation for the reason is especially enlightening. Do you know the approximate year the sandboxes were removed? - I've yet to see a picture of clean green Type 4 with them absent. Sticking by my maxim 'Dont let the perfect be the enemy of the good' I will be clicking that 'Add to basket' button' regardless :) Im going to hazard a guess that it was done during dual braking fitment... so early to mid 70s all of the early blue pictures ive seen they are absent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 5 hours ago, aureol40012 said: 1) The 40145 tour in November sold out in hours. 2) The proportion of people who model current day is a small proportion of modellers. 3) BR blue is consistently the range highest in demand. 4) Are you genuinely claiming that The Beatles were only the biggest band in the world whilst they were around and no longer are because the original fans are old/dead? 5) the age group you speak of are the demographic who are most represented amongst modellers. 6) lose your own prejudices and look at things objectively. 2,3,6, - evidence ? Without it just a guess to support your own rhetoric . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Running in starts 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium younGGuns7 Posted October 7, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, owentherail said: Running in starts First thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aureol40012 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Unnumbered from Hattons just arrived. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aureol40012 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) packaging is interesting in that the loco sits on a screwed in mount, a bit like a model car, which you have to unscrew with a Philips screwdriver. Any idea what this magnetic stick is for, instructions seem not to reference it! Edited October 7, 2022 by aureol40012 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, aureol40012 said: packaging is interesting in that the loco sits on a screwed in mount, a bit like a model car, which you have to unscrew with a Philips screwdriver. Any idea what this magnetic stick is for, instructions seem not to reference it! I can see it on your instructions on pic...... turns off cab lights 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, younGGuns7 said: First thoughts? Not as bad as I thought....... can see through yellow on bonnet end a bit. Hoped headlight mite of been whiter than other 2 lights too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 97406 Posted October 7, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2022 It looks well made and finished. One may get absorbed into a project some day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aureol40012 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, owentherail said: I can see it on your instructions on pic...... turns off cab lights Doh, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tractionman Posted October 7, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2022 looks pretty impressive, seriously tempted but I'm supposed to be reining it in 🙄 thanks for the pics though. cheers, Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philiprporter Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Looks good - did the 45s have different size marker lights between locos? On first glance these look a tad too small on the model, but then doing some browsing, I have come across pictures that seem to confirm Heljan have got it right, but others that make me wonder if they are a teeny bit small. Maybe it's just angles or light perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PjKing1 Posted October 7, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2022 Looks great, waiting on my split box from TMC hopefully it’ll be on its way soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 50 minutes ago, aureol40012 said: Doh, thanks! Sort of thing I would normally do.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium younGGuns7 Posted October 7, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2022 23 minutes ago, PjKing1 said: Looks great, waiting on my split box from TMC hopefully it’ll be on its way soon Me too, but they are giving mine a bit of a weathering so a patient wait is needed, b@@ger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PjKing1 Posted October 7, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2022 39 minutes ago, younGGuns7 said: Me too, but they are giving mine a bit of a weathering so a patient wait is needed, b@@ger Mine will be the next loco on the weathering bench I best start searching through Flickr for inspiration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIAM Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 hours ago, owentherail said: Hoped headlight mite of been whiter than other 2 lights too Yes, definately true of the prototype but not the end of the world compared to other potential issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 9 hours ago, MikeParkin65 said: Thanks for the informative reply - the explanation for the reason is especially enlightening. Do you know the approximate year the sandboxes were removed? Having thumbed through the Strathwood book on the Peaks it would appear that the inner sandboxes were removed around 1969/70. All of the early blue 'Toton' BSYP repaints retained them, and it looks like most if not all of the subsequent BFYE repaints with D-prefixed running numbers. The photo evidence suggests that the inner sandboxes were deleted along with the D prefix from autumn 1968(ish). 2 hours ago, philiprporter said: Looks good - did the 45s have different size marker lights between locos? On first glance these look a tad too small on the model, but then doing some browsing, I have come across pictures that seem to confirm Heljan have got it right, but others that make me wonder if they are a teeny bit small. Maybe it's just angles or light perhaps? The marker lights definitely looked smaller on the first ones done - check out 45071 and (IIRC) 46049. These also retained more of the nose-end fittings. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted October 7, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2022 11 hours ago, MikeParkin65 said: Only thing niggling me now is that I have yet to see a photo of the model with the rear bogie sandboxes fitted. Not sure if all the photos seen so far are preproduction though they are absent as far as I can see on the Hornby Mag review sample. Surely not a user added extra? The HM review states the sandboxes are in the accessories pack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs233 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 When was the last image you seen of the prototype with shiny toy like wheels? Can they not be toned down or painted, Bachmann seem to do a very good of this and appear to apply Matt paint to the sidewall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aureol40012 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 I have to say the nose hand rails look more realistic than the Accurascale Deltic ones, which seem a little over scale in thickness and protrusion. They are fine and well fitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 7, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2022 6 hours ago, aureol40012 said: packaging is interesting in that the loco sits on a screwed in mount, a bit like a model car, which you have to unscrew with a Philips screwdriver. Any idea what this magnetic stick is for, instructions seem not to reference it! Interesting they use a split-box non-connecting door example in the instructions, a version not announced yet... 5 hours ago, PjKing1 said: Looks great, waiting on my split box from TMC hopefully it’ll be on its way soon Please post some photos when it arrives.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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