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Heljan announce Class 45 in OO


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34 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said:

Only thing niggling me now is that I have yet to see a photo of the model with the rear bogie sandboxes fitted. Not sure if all the photos seen so far are preproduction though they are absent as far as I can see on the Hornby Mag review sample. Surely not a user added extra? Will hang fire from ‘adding to basket’ until I see a production sample. 

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Peaks lost the rear sandboxes quite early on, its correct for the loco.

 

26s also lost there rear sand boxes early on as well....and the reason for this is that when a loco slips its normally the leading wheel sets that slip because the weight transfers to the rear of the locomotive. so sanding the inner wheel sets has little or no impact, since the sanding system is powered by air...its a source for air leaks...and a source of locomotive failure.  Since the EP valves are powered electrically for the sanding system on most locos there's an electrical failure angle as well...

 

So ergo...since sand has a negligible effect at most on the inner wheel sets and its cost and source of failure...it was a quick win to delete it....

 

this is also the reason why class 50s had weight compensation/transfer equipment in the early days.

 

note the missing sandbox on the rear of 043s bogies..

 

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58 minutes ago, pheaton said:

Peaks lost the rear sandboxes quite early on, its correct for the loco.

 

26s also lost there rear sand boxes early on as well....and the reason for this is that when a loco slips its normally the leading wheel sets that slip because the weight transfers to the rear of the locomotive. so sanding the inner wheel sets has little or no impact, since the sanding system is powered by air...its a source for air leaks...and a source of locomotive failure.  Since the EP valves are powered electrically for the sanding system on most locos there's an electrical failure angle as well...

 

So ergo...since sand has a negligible effect at most on the inner wheel sets and its cost and source of failure...it was a quick win to delete it....

 

this is also the reason why class 50s had weight compensation/transfer equipment in the early days.

 

note the missing sandbox on the rear of 043s bogies..

 

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Thanks for the informative reply - the explanation for the reason is especially enlightening. Do you know the approximate year the sandboxes were removed? - I've yet to see a picture of clean green Type 4 with them absent.

 

Sticking by my maxim 'Dont let the perfect be the enemy of the good' I will be clicking that 'Add to basket' button' regardless :)

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5 hours ago, rob D2 said:

I'm talking about producing models now - not what a bunch of people got excited about in 1977-1985, who will be 50 plus ( and of course not all are modellers )

 

The 40 was geographically limited , and has no interest or relevance to the younger generation modelling today - they still get to see 37s and 47s daily , your 40s are long since razor blades . Guess what they are going to buy in model form .

 

And i read recently ( in REX ) that the demand for 40 rail tours dropped off a cliff rapidly after they finished , to the extent some were cancelled .

 

If you are going to throw insults and ???!!! about at least try and reason your argument  beyond your own obsession 

 

 

 

 

 

 


1) The 40145 tour in November sold out in hours.

2) The proportion of people who model current day is a small proportion of modellers.

3) BR blue is consistently the range highest in demand.

4) Are you genuinely claiming that The Beatles were only the biggest band in the world whilst they were around and no longer are because the original fans are old/dead?

5) the age group you speak of are the demographic who are most represented amongst modellers.

6) lose your own prejudices and look at things objectively.

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26 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said:

Thanks for the informative reply - the explanation for the reason is especially enlightening. Do you know the approximate year the sandboxes were removed? - I've yet to see a picture of clean green Type 4 with them absent.

 

Sticking by my maxim 'Dont let the perfect be the enemy of the good' I will be clicking that 'Add to basket' button' regardless :)

Im going to hazard a guess that it was done during dual braking fitment... so early to mid 70s all of the early blue pictures ive seen they are absent.

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5 hours ago, aureol40012 said:


1) The 40145 tour in November sold out in hours.

2) The proportion of people who model current day is a small proportion of modellers.

3) BR blue is consistently the range highest in demand.

4) Are you genuinely claiming that The Beatles were only the biggest band in the world whilst they were around and no longer are because the original fans are old/dead?

5) the age group you speak of are the demographic who are most represented amongst modellers.

6) lose your own prejudices and look at things objectively.

2,3,6, - evidence  ? Without it  just a guess to support your own rhetoric .

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packaging is interesting in that the loco sits on a screwed in mount, a bit like a model car, which you have to unscrew with a Philips screwdriver.

 

Any idea what this magnetic stick is for, instructions seem not to reference it!

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10 minutes ago, aureol40012 said:


packaging is interesting in that the loco sits on a screwed in mount, a bit like a model car, which you have to unscrew with a Philips screwdriver.

 

Any idea what this magnetic stick is for, instructions seem not to reference it!

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I can see it on your instructions on pic...... turns off cab lights 

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Looks good - did the 45s have different size marker lights between locos? On first glance these look a tad too small on the model, but then doing some browsing, I have come across pictures that seem to confirm Heljan have got it right, but others that make me wonder if they are a teeny bit small. Maybe it's just angles or light perhaps? 

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39 minutes ago, younGGuns7 said:

Me too, but they are giving mine a bit of a weathering so a patient wait is needed, b@@ger

Mine will be the next loco on the weathering bench I best start searching through Flickr for inspiration 

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9 hours ago, MikeParkin65 said:

Thanks for the informative reply - the explanation for the reason is especially enlightening. Do you know the approximate year the sandboxes were removed?

 

Having thumbed through the Strathwood book on the Peaks it would appear that the inner sandboxes were removed around 1969/70. All of the early blue 'Toton' BSYP repaints retained them, and it looks like most if not all of the subsequent BFYE repaints with D-prefixed running numbers. The photo evidence suggests that the inner sandboxes were deleted along with the D prefix from autumn 1968(ish).

 

2 hours ago, philiprporter said:

Looks good - did the 45s have different size marker lights between locos? On first glance these look a tad too small on the model, but then doing some browsing, I have come across pictures that seem to confirm Heljan have got it right, but others that make me wonder if they are a teeny bit small. Maybe it's just angles or light perhaps? 

 

The marker lights definitely looked smaller on the first ones done - check out 45071 and (IIRC) 46049. These also retained more of the nose-end fittings. 

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11 hours ago, MikeParkin65 said:

Only thing niggling me now is that I have yet to see a photo of the model with the rear bogie sandboxes fitted. Not sure if all the photos seen so far are preproduction though they are absent as far as I can see on the Hornby Mag review sample. Surely not a user added extra?

The HM review states the sandboxes are in the accessories pack 

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When was the last image you seen of the prototype with shiny toy like wheels? Can they not be toned down or painted, Bachmann seem to do a very good of this and appear to apply Matt paint to the sidewall

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6 hours ago, aureol40012 said:


packaging is interesting in that the loco sits on a screwed in mount, a bit like a model car, which you have to unscrew with a Philips screwdriver.

 

Any idea what this magnetic stick is for, instructions seem not to reference it!

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Interesting they use a split-box non-connecting door example in the instructions, a version not announced yet...

 

5 hours ago, PjKing1 said:

Looks great, waiting on my split box from TMC hopefully it’ll be on its way soon 

 

Please post some photos when it arrives..

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