Brian's 7mm Diesel Workbench, Belated up-date!

[Ian G]

I have asked Parkside Dundas many times if they would but told no, i have enough bits for 3 more VEA's or ODA's

 

Ian G

[P.C.M]

I have asked Parkside Dundas many times if they would but told no, i have enough bits for 3 more VEA's or ODA's

 

Ian G

 

 

Hi Ian,

Your VEAs look good, shame Perkside are not interested I think it would be a good seller. I wonder if Cambrian would be interested in doing some 7mm wagons.

 

Cheers Peter.

[Ian G]

I have been tinkering with designing an etch for the suspention of a VEA, but have not had much time to do it, my other problem is finding an Etcher that will take a dawing in either AutoCAD 2011 or Turbo CAD 16 delux,

 

Ian G

[craigwelsh]

I have been tinkering with designing an etch for the suspention of a VEA, but have not had much time to do it, my other problem is finding an Etcher that will take a dawing in either AutoCAD 2011 or Turbo CAD 16 delux,

 

Ian G

Can autocad 2011 save in 2007/2004 format? I know PPD take those dxf files.

[brian daniels]

I have finished the vanwide and banana van except for the weathering. Had a nice job painting the lettering on the banana van, not I did a very nice job of it with a fine white pen but after 24 hours it still had not dried! Apparently it was a white gell pen and it will not dry on hard surfaces. So it was out with the Bob More lining pen which has worked but not as neat as it was before. I will do one more banana/barrier van to go either side of my 4 (so far!) vanwides. I have just ordered some 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 explosive information diamonds from Appleby to put on the vanwides. I am painting my 4th vanwide at the moment which is a VEV as I put roller bearing axleboxes on it.

[brian daniels]

I am having a go at a JLTRT MkI Brake Second at the moment. They have been around for a while now so I thought it was about time to do one as I have done a couple of their MkII's. Here are a few pics to show what's in the box. They come with either white metal or etched bogies, I opted for the etched ones but if/when I do another I will try the white metal ones. The vac cylinders supplied are the wrong sort, these being a rivetted cylinder! The instructions are a bit basic as there is no mention that on on a BSK the battery boxes are positioned differntly and there is no mention as to where the guards extra long steps locate. Talking of the solebar steps these are a brass etch folded in 2 and then stuck on side on which does not seem a very strong joint to me on something that sticks out so I will solder some wire spiggots on them and locate into some drilled holes. This coach does not have the window surrounds on as I ordered one without as I had a cunning plan to add these from an etch but that ideas gone out of the window I am sure some escaped having the frames put on as a few MkI's in preservation are still like this. The seats supplied are with armrests for a first class compartment. When I enquired if this is correct I was told that is the only ones they do so I will have to carve the armrests off

[richard_t]

Before you go carving, pick a BSK, as those to diagram AB201 had seats with armrests. From my 1984 Platform 5 Coaching Stock Pocket Book, the following lots would have had seats with armrests (which is most of them):

 

lot 30003 (34059), lot 30095 (34521-34560), lot 30156 (34656-34712), lot 30233 (35039-35075), lot 30386 (35114, 35116-35148), lot 30427 (35176-35210), lot 30573 (35274-35293), lot 30699 (35295-35393), lot 30721 (35407-35445), lot 30728 (35447-35449), lot 30721 (35450-35486).

 

Unfortunately the book doesn't list those built with window frames, or what subsequently got them.

 

 

[brian daniels]

Thanks Richard but I just cut em off! I doubt if the arm rests would have been like the models with the "pillar" up the back as well as the arm rest which to me is first class seating. All mine are done with the arm rests up and tucked inside the back rest! Early ones were built without the window frames so I will number it in the early ones.

 

A few pictures of it slowly coming together.

[craigwelsh]

The armrests in 2nd class compartments normally retracted up into the seat from what I have seen to allow 8 people into the compartment instead of 6.

 

I do like the guards heater .

 

 

Do you allow the axleboxes to move in their guides by the way or solder them solid? That bogie has given me some ideas for the BR1's I want to do in 4mm.

[Pete Harvey]

Good to see that you aren't rushing it Brian

 

Pete

[brian daniels]

The axleboxes do indeed float in the axleguards but what good it is I don't know. In my experiance unless they have a spring to force them into any undulations and dips in the track then they just ride ove like a solid bogie

 

The guards comprtments do look good and there is also a desk and brake setter with an etched letter rack above to put in against the carriage side wall. Why we do it though I don't know because unless you take the roof off the only window you can see anything through is the guards door on one side and believe me looking through it what you see is "not a lot".

 

Although these are relativly easy coaches to build I am coming to the conclusion that I hate building coaches and I still have to do the white line on the blue/grey livery. Now how much are those Heljan ones

[Ressaldar]

Hi Brian,

 

nice to know that you to get frustrated with a kit> The Blue/Grey white line is made easier by the HMRS transfer as the ends come already formed with the curved top and bottom so as long as your masking is set to the mid point of the returned ends,........... Robert is your fathers brother ..............as they say.

 

Like the look of the coach as well.

 

regards

 

Mike

[craigwelsh]

The axleboxes do indeed float in the axleguards but what good it is I don't know. In my experiance unless they have a spring to force them into any undulations and dips in the track then they just ride ove like a solid bogie

I did wonder as I didn't see springing parts. Presumably some Scale7 modeller out there will have fitted coil springs into there or something to do as you describe.

 

Although these are relativly easy coaches to build I am coming to the conclusion that I hate building coaches and I still have to do the white line on the blue/grey livery. Now how much are those Heljan ones

Unless you come from Denmark though those Heljan things don't look very much like mk1s..

 

I look forward to the completed guards compartment, I liked the detail shown on the one built in Model Rail.

[Softvark]

The Blue/Grey white line is made easier by the HMRS transfer as the ends come already formed with the curved top and bottom so as long as your masking is set to the mid point of the returned ends,........... Robert is your fathers brother ..............as they say.

 

Seconded.

 

I've just built a JLTRT BCK and an SK and I don't think I'd have contemplated it without the HMRS lines. I did paint and line the sides before assembling though.

 

I'm interested to see what you do with the windows as, in my opinion, they are a weak part of the kit.

 

Julian

[Pugsley]

I did wonder as I didn't see springing parts. Presumably some Scale7 modeller out there will have fitted coil springs into there or something to do as you describe.

A Scaleseven modeller would have devised and built their own working leaf springs..

[Bob Reid]

The armrests in 2nd class compartments normally retracted up into the seat from what I have seen to allow 8 people into the compartment instead of 6.

 

Yes and No Craig

 

The Mark 1 CK, BCK, TK/SK, BTK/BSK all were each produced in two basic types with different diagrams. The first (numerically) was for vehicles fitted with folding armrests, and the second, with no armrests at all. In the case of the BSK that Brian is building Diag 181 Could seat 24 (3 a side) with the armrests down. The Diag 182 vehicles, without armrests at all could seat 32 (4 a side).

 

The only seat moulding that JLTRT produce Brian, as you've found out, represent those on the fixed armrest first class vehicles. As far as the original fiitment of the bardic type glazing frames, if you keep the number of the coach between 34000 and the last vehicle built in the 1958 build year - 35273, then barring a photo of later works modification, no one can argue it didn't run without them!

 

Back (no pun intended) to the seats, if you're doing it without armrests at all, you can choose from 34290-34315, 34613-34654, 34749-34930, 35024-35038 which were all originally Diag 182 vehicles allocated to either the Western or Southern Regions (the LM, ER & ScR) originally choosing just Diagram 181 vehicles.

[craigwelsh]

Yes and No Craig

 

The Mark 1 CK, BCK, TK/SK, BTK/BSK all were each produced in two basic types with different diagrams. The first (numerically) was for vehicles fitted with folding armrests, and the second, with no armrests at all. In the case of the BSK that Brian is building Diag 181 Could seat 24 (3 a side) with the armrests down. The Diag 182 vehicles, without armrests at all could seat 32 (4 a side).

Yes sorry, I did realise some didn't have the, just meant that where they did they retracted so wouldn't have the upright section as Brian mentioned. Thanks for clarifying though.

[brian daniels]

Thanks for the feedback chaps. Regarding the white line I did use Fox waterslide on a Westdale but it on an inch at a time again is a bit daunting (damm stuff keeps cracking up). On my Mk II D I used a Bob More lining pen but it's a bit skinny so I shall try the HMRS stuff this time.

 

Thanks for the info Bob I will keep it in the number range as suggested but I don't yet have a prefrance for a region to do a train from. To be honest where I chopped the armrests off it looks like they are in the upright position.

 

I got 2 weeks off work with nothing else spoiling so can crack on with it but I am waiting to see if JLTRT send me some better vac cylinders because i am not putting the riveted ones on that came with the kit!

 

Undecided weather to paint it now or after I have the sides and ends glued on the chassis. Can't see as it would be a problem painting it when built as I am painting the interior now and should be able to glue the windows in ok later.

 

Any chance of a pic of yours Julian?

[djparkins]

I look forward to the completed guards compartment, I liked the detail shown on the one built in Model Rail.

 

Craig,

 

I don't think that was a JLTRT kit!!!

 

Regards,

 

David Parkins,

Modern Motive Power

[Softvark]

Any chance of a pic of yours Julian?

 

Certainly - although the build quality is not comparable to yours, Brian

 

Here is the BCK behind a Heljan class 37. If you look closely you can see the letter rack in the guards compartment.

 

 

 

I still need to add some weathering to the underframe but I'll do that next time I've got the airbrush out.

 

I've added internal lighting using the warm white LED strips from Rapid Electronics which are very effective with the room lighting turned down a bit.

 

Julian

[brian daniels]

Very nice Julian nothing wrong with that. You have also confirmed that I have got the wrong style rubber corridor connector. The one in my kit has a straight top to it and not curved as yours is. Still wracking my brains how to fix the end water pipes as the roof has to come off. Thinking along the lines of the end brackets being removeable with the roof brackets fixed and hope the "spring" in the wire holds them on the end of the coach.

 

What colour was the second class seats? I recall them a grey/green colour but what colour to paint a seat patern? A bit like trying to get tartan paint!

[Softvark]

Very nice Julian nothing wrong with that. You have also confirmed that I have got the wrong style rubber corridor connector. The one in my kit has a straight top to it and not curved as yours is.

 

Thanks - I still need to add a cover over the top of the corridor connector. The JLTRT instructions suggest a piece of small rubber but I've not found anything suitable yet.

 

Still wracking my brains how to fix the end water pipes as the roof has to come off. Thinking along the lines of the end brackets being removeable with the roof brackets fixed and hope the "spring" in the wire holds them on the end of the coach.

 

What I did was use handrail knobs with the pipe wire soldered to them. The handrail knobs are a tight push fit into holes drilled in the body and roof so can be pulled out if necessary. The spring of the wire holds them against the white metal water filler connection in the roof. I think I had to drill into the end of the white metal by 1mm or so but that is just enough if you bend the wire correctly. It was fiddly but I can remove them if I need to get inside.

 

Coincidentally I've just finished the MMP 35.5 ton tank - your photos are great for reference and confirmation I've got it about right!

 

Julian

[djparkins]

A bit like trying to get tartan paint!

 

Brian,

 

I have it on good authority that one of the model military figure companies who specialise in the Highland Regiments are releasing a range of tartan paints in early April 2011.

 

Regards,

 

David Parkins

[djparkins]

It cant run at present as there is some work to do, but i 'aint got the bits mister!

 

Soon, Laddie, soon! Good things come to those who wait!

 

DJP

[Bob Reid]

What colour was the second class seats? I recall them a grey/green colour but what colour to paint a seat patern? A bit like trying to get tartan paint!

 

 

Tartan paints easy - we've got it by the tourist coach load up here http://www.rmweb.co....bso-seats-1jpg/

 

What period is the BSK to represent Brian? - after the mid 70s just about everything on the blue/grey stock, if it wasn't getting that grey Trojan moquette, it was getting covered in that blue/green check!