'Genesis' 4 & 6 wheel coaches in OO Gauge - New Announcement

[SHMD]

Expect further delays from China as more and more brutal controls are put in place in an attempt to, not just contain, but defeat the Omicron Covid virus.

 

Latest is that chain link fencing, and access controls, are being installed at the entrances to tower blocks/apartment buildings in affected areas.

Everything is halted except for the daily, (and desperately needed). random food hampers.

 

 

Kev.

[Michael Hodgson]

No doubt it's difficult to persuade their Government that their policy won't eradicate this disease, but they really won't be able to keep their entire workforce under house arrest indefinitely if they still want to trade overseas.  Even if all this isolation does reduce tranmission within the country, the illness will keep being reimported from those countries that adopt different policies.

[Michael Hodgson]

1 hour ago, Legend said:

 

Thats a further slippage then. I'm LMS , so in batch 2  which I think was supposed to be late summer . I wonder if thats slipping into 2023 now . 

Not according to their site.  LMS is Batch 1 but in delivery 2 which is September rather than August this year.

 

Batch 2 is GCR, L&Y, MR. NCB, LSW & BR Crimson which is 2023 and TBC; we still don't have a date for Batch 3.

 

I don't think any of that has changed since last time I looked.

[PhilJ W]

4 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

I see that "Batch 1" are now advertised for delivery this August / September.

 

Meanwhile, someone with a time machine that works in both forward and reverse gear has got hold of one of the GNR-livered 4-wheel thirds:

 

 

This is a crop from this rather splendid photo:

 

 

[Tony Hisgett from Birmingham, UK, CC BY 2.0, via Wikimedia Commons; embedded link.]

The first three coaches all have different beading/panelling/rooflines.

[Michael Hodgson]

The empty wagons in the foreground however look remarkably similar to one another apart from lettering - not the rag-bag of oddments one usually associates with such traffic.

[melmerby]

3 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:

No doubt it's difficult to persuade their Government that their policy won't eradicate this disease, but they really won't be able to keep their entire workforce under house arrest indefinitely if they still want to trade overseas.  Even if all this isolation does reduce tranmission within the country, the illness will keep being reimported from those countries that adopt different policies.

IMHO a misguided policy typical of authoritarian regimes. They have also miserably failed to vaccinate enough of the population, something like just 36% are fully jabbed.

One of the BBC news reporters a few days ago stated something along the lines of "Beijing has decided it can defeat nature" in an ironic tone.

 

They now have a serious outbreak in Beijing itself, along with the total lockdown in Shanghai, the finance centre of the country.

Edited April 25, 2022 by melmerby

[Compound2632]

18 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said:

The empty wagons in the foreground however look remarkably similar to one another apart from lettering - not the rag-bag of oddments one usually associates with such traffic.

 

That is what one expects before the Great War and certainly around the turn of the century - before the pooling arrangements that came in wartime, the vast majority of wagons one would see would either belong to the "home" company, or be private owner mineral wagons. Most of the larger companies had a standard four or five plank merchandise wagon that they built in large quantities in the 1880s and 1890s, sometimes accounting for as much as 50% of their wagon fleet by 1900. What we see here is the Great Northern's standard open wagon. Most are in the old lettering style:

 

         G

NORTHERN

         R

 

while a few have the large GN letters that were introduced in 1898.

 

The "rag bag of oddments" belongs to the post-Great War scene.

[Compound2632]

On 25/04/2022 at 19:48, PhilJ W said:

The first three coaches all have different beading/panelling/rooflines.

 

It was pointed out to me elsewhere that the three leading carriages are North British, North Eastern, and Great Northern respectively.

[adb968008]

On 25/04/2022 at 17:11, Michael Hodgson said:

No doubt it's difficult to persuade their Government that their policy won't eradicate this disease, but they really won't be able to keep their entire workforce under house arrest indefinitely if they still want to trade overseas.  Even if all this isolation does reduce tranmission within the country, the illness will keep being reimported from those countries that adopt different policies.

It does wonders for inflation though.

Remember, foreign currency devaluations is bad for China, as they hold vast amounts of forex, and when we print more, their holding value decreases.

 

But supply constraints means we pay more for less, it counter balances that loss and evens up the value once more.

 

 

 

Edited May 7, 2022 by adb968008

[Budgie]

Isn't it time our manufacturers considered bring back production to the UK?

[Compound2632]

3 minutes ago, Budgie said:

Isn't it time our manufacturers considered bring back production to the UK?

 

Maybe if maintaining delivery schedules is more important than price.

 

Any manufacturer thinking of making such a move would face a significant investment in plant and in skilled staff.

[phil-b259]

Just now, Budgie said:

Isn't it time our manufacturers considered bring back production to the UK?

 

Nope. The underlying issue hasn't changed.

 

The manufacturer of RTR models requires lots of skilled labour to do things like apply tampo printing and fit lots of tiny separately fitted details - all things we, the model buying public have been demanding for around two decades now. The cost of that labour in China, even when accounting for the rapid rise in the standard of living out there is a FRACTION of the cost of similar labour in the UK / Europe.

 

Manufacturing in the UK (within the model railways context) is only viable if it is mainly automated and requires minimal labour - the likes of manufacturing Airfix kits or tins of paint for example.

[St. Simon]

7 minutes ago, Budgie said:

Isn't it time our manufacturers considered bring back production to the UK?

This has been debated multiple times and the question is starting to wear thin.

 

All the manufactures agree that they are manufacturing in the right place in China, so the answer is no.

 

Simon

[Mark Saunders]

8 minutes ago, St. Simon said:

This has been debated multiple times and the question is starting to wear thin.

 

All the manufactures agree that they are manufacturing in the right place in China, so the answer is no.

 

Simon

It is well known that the working man is his own worst enemy when it comes to purchasing and companies assist by going for contracting out manufacturing to the cheapest source!

[St. Simon]

Just now, Mark Saunders said:

It is well known that the working man is his own worst enemy when it comes to purchasing and companies assist by going for contracting out manufacturing to the cheapest source!

The factories that the manufacturers use are not necessarily the cheapest, I know that some manufacturers use a range of criteria to choose a factory and price isn’t the final decider.

 

Simon

[Compound2632]

On the other hand, the vast majority of rolling stock kits are manufactured in Britain, so if buying British is important to you...

[Budgie]

8 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

On the other hand, the vast majority of rolling stock kits are manufactured in Britain, so if buying British is important to you...

Electric multiple units are important to me. As is buying early, so I have a reasonable time to enjoy them before the end.

[PhilJ W]

7 hours ago, St. Simon said:

This has been debated multiple times and the question is starting to wear thin.

 

All the manufactures agree that they are manufacturing in the right place in China, so the answer is no.

 

Simon

And not only China, on checking some of my models they come from Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh and many other Asian countries.  

[RJS1977]

9 hours ago, St. Simon said:

This has been debated multiple times and the question is starting to wear thin.

 

All the manufactures agree that they are manufacturing in the right place in China, so the answer is no.

 

Simon

 

Apart from Peco ;-)

[PhilJ W]

46 minutes ago, RJS1977 said:

 

Apart from Peco ;-)

Like plastic kits and paints most of Peco production such as track is automated. Their 009 models however are made in the far east.

[adb968008]

10 hours ago, Budgie said:

Isn't it time our manufacturers considered bring back production to the UK?

Here you go…

https://www.ooworks.co.uk/products

 

£315 painted and rtr.

 

Absolutely lovely stuff.

[PaulRhB]

11 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

Like plastic kits and paints most of Peco production such as track is automated. Their 009 models however are made in the far east.

Sorry Phil but they’re made in Devon ;) see 7:19 on this video

 

On other manufacturers though they use China etc because that’s where the experience is and even with rising wages it’s still cheaper than here. There’s a good reason Peco have stuck to rolling stock only and no longer do locos, this is why they supported Heljan for the L&B 2-6-2’s and worked more closely with Kato for the England locos but they are still only an agent for them not actually the producer. 
Dapol have also brought some simpler stock production back to the UK but not locos or more sophisticated rolling stock. 

Edited May 8, 2022 by PaulRhB

[tractionman]

9 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Here you go…

https://www.ooworks.co.uk/products

 

£315 painted and rtr.

 

Absolutely lovely stuff.

 

some nice stuff there, would go well with, say, some er generic four and six wheel coaches...?

Edited May 8, 2022 by tractionman

[Michael Hodgson]

8 hours ago, PaulRhB said:

Sorry Phil but they’re made in Devon ;) see 7:19 on this video

 

 

Devon is the far east if you live in Cornwall !

[RJS1977]

On 07/05/2022 at 12:25, phil-b259 said:

 

 

The manufacturer of RTR models requires lots of skilled labour to do things like apply tampo printing and fit lots of tiny separately fitted details - all things we, the model buying public have been demanding for around two decades now. 

 

 That some members of the model buying public have been demanding.

 

There are many modellers who were (and still are) perfectly happy with the standard of models produced by Hornby and Lima in the 1980s and 1990s (and possibly earlier), just as in the 80s and 90s there were modellers who were happily buying Wrenn locos even though they weren't up to contemporary standards.