RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted March 19, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) Had another batch of 3D prints yesterday, here's the latest version of the base for the Chinese pan fitted to the frames from the 2020s pan I've put a lot more work into the front pan lift air motor, there's more detail than Hornby got into theirs. The rear legs of the frame are now in a straight line right up to the insulator too. Edited March 19, 2023 by RedgateModels 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAILRAGE Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 On 17/03/2023 at 08:30, Pete the Elaner said: The base looks good, but I feel that the worst part of the pan is its contact arms. It looks like an imitation of Hornby's original, which looked nothing like anything prototypical. Apologies for the quality, but it is a scan of an old photo, but it shows what a Faiveley pan really looks like. I don't expect total accuracy but Hornby's effort is poor. Actually it is correct for the 2-stage Pan. A least for the Test. APT pantograph B King.jpg (1568×1076) (traintesting.com) Cheers Trailrage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold palmsticks Posted June 28, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) Seems R30229 and R30104 have arrived into stock? Does anybody know what the "upgrades" are on these 2023 releases of the APT sets vs. the 2020* versions? Looks like they have magnetic couplings now based on the images / datasheet on the Hornby website for the non driving power car to the FV3 trailer. The not-so-super-duper 10ft long capacitors seem to be missing** from the coach interiors. Obvs, the images are are not necessarily accurate, so hence the query here. *= or was it 2021? - My brain is not letting me remember the detail of those years **= hopefully hidden! Thanks in advance! https://uk.Hornby.com/products/br-class-370-advanced-passenger-train-sets-370001-and-370002-7-car-train-pack-era-7-r30229? Datasheet: https://support.Hornby.com/hc/article_attachments/5620154591890/HSS-456B-Class-370-APT-NDM-DTS.pdf Edited June 28, 2023 by palmsticks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Still the same floppy pantograph? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wairoa Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 I am certainly tempted to get another APT set. I bought the 5 car set when it came out. However, I don't know if I can really justify another. I never got to see the APT growing up and the first I ever saw was when a mate brought a Hornby catalogue to school in New Zealand in around 1984. I was blown away. I do hope to see it one day in RL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodnok Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 9 hours ago, palmsticks said: Looks like they have magnetic couplings now based on the images / datasheet on the Hornby website for the non driving power car to the FV3 trailer. Interesting. I wonder if these will come up as spares for purchase for earlier models. (Yes, I'm aware that Hunt couplings exist, but they also bind on 2nd/3rd radius curves on this model). 9 hours ago, palmsticks said: The not-so-super-duper 10ft long capacitors seem to be missing** from the coach interiors. Obvs, the images are are not necessarily accurate, so hence the query here. Capacitors were always hidden in the DTS and TBF vehicles, it was the TS/TU/TRSB/TF that had them in view. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HExpressD Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Barrel like capacitor is gone, I think that was only ever a compromise due to a component shortage? 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoomer1979 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Annoyingly, these are the upgrades as posted on the Hornby facecloth page. Nice for those that don't have one yet! Neil. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted June 30, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 30, 2023 Oh goody, better pans. Should fit in my mounts fine though. Hope they become available as spares 😁 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PeterStiles Posted June 30, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 30, 2023 Oooh! Space for a sugar-cube speaker in the ndm! Whatever will they think of next! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Johan DC Posted June 30, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 30, 2023 The best thing is having it right from the first time. The second best is learning from your mistakes, listen to customers/users and improve the product accordingly. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Dear oh dear, when will they ever learn. The tilt system was NOT 'computerised', it was wholly analogue with no digital bits in it anywhere. (sigh) 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) Nice to see they have made improvements but I will wait for the reviews before buying Edited June 30, 2023 by letterspider Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted June 30, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 30, 2023 I've just bought a first release 7 car set from TMC..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 30, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 30, 2023 Not very nice for the retailers who helped out Hornby last year by taking on - at reduced price - umpteen surplus APT additional vehicle packs. out of Hornby's inventory stockpile. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: Not very nice for the retailers who helped out Hornby last year by taking on - at reduced price - umpteen surplus APT additional vehicle packs. out of Hornby's inventory stockpile. Not exactly great for original buyers either. Lightweight NDMs and visible capacitors shouldn't have happened in the first release, admittedly strengthening panto mounts or changing magnetic couplings may have been learned once the original batch was released. 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
25kV Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Alas, my conversion thread will continue to utilise the 2020 version. 🙂 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted June 30, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 hours ago, 25kV said: Alas, my conversion thread will continue to utilise the 2020 version. 🙂 My dev coach will be stripped pronto to make a 3d model of your modified interior 😁 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted June 30, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 30, 2023 11 hours ago, PeterStiles said: Oooh! Space for a sugar-cube speaker in the ndm! Whatever will they think of next! A TXS sound profile for it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritishRail60062 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 47 minutes ago, RedgateModels said: A TXS sound profile for it? Or you could use Class 91 sounds like Dovetail Games did for the TS Classic one on train simulator 😉. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PeterStiles Posted July 1, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 1, 2023 10 hours ago, BritishRail60062 said: Class 91 No Class 91 on the HM DCC app yet.. only electric is the Class 73 :( well, it'll be better than "chuff chuff chuff". I hope. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wairoa Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Alright, I have one of the first batch of the 5 car sets of the APT released. I have hardly ever run it. Today, I pulled it out of the box for a test. It was great for the first minute, then all of a sudden it slows to a crawl. Anybody have any idea why before I pull it apart? I had a new NDM on pre-order with TMC. I hope it will run better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted July 5, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) Surely Hornby missed a perfect opportunity to make this even more accurate by using the dummy buckeye location for where the actual coupling goes? It’s not like it has to couple up to other stock that’s not APT stock. And if they made the slot wider you wouldn’t notice it either. Edited July 5, 2023 by Hilux5972 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HExpressD Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 43 minutes ago, Hilux5972 said: Surely Hornby missed a perfect opportunity to make this even more accurate by using the dummy buckeye location for where the actual coupling goes? It’s not like it has to couple up to other stock that’s not APT stock. And if they made the slot wider you wouldn’t notice it either. Maybe, but the current change is only to a screwed coupling. Your proposal would mean a mod to the chassis, body and bogie maybe. One for next new tooling! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John ks Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 19 hours ago, Hilux5972 said: Surely Hornby missed a perfect opportunity to make this even more accurate by using the dummy buckeye location for where the actual coupling goes? It’s not like it has to couple up to other stock that’s not APT stock. And if they made the slot wider you wouldn’t notice it either. Do you mean something like this This power car has been repowered using Heljan bogies & chassis made from brass bars. Like the retooled APT the chassis is not connected to the body and the body tilts around the chassis. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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