Lockdown #2

[spikey]

It would seem that Doris is about to announce a second lockdown.  Gosh.  What a surprise

 

Right then.  Here we go.  Great British Public moans like hell and gets seriously grumpy during November, then when lockdown eases goes instantly into full-on meeting up, partying and Christmas mode because as any fule kno, you have to do the family Christmas, you have to cuddle the grandkids, and so on.  Then in January and February, the Great British Public wonders why so many people are dead, so many are dying, the NHS is collapsing, there's so many poor sods with long Covid, and the something that needs to be done isn't being done.

 

Oy vey.  And I'm not even Jewish.

 

[John M Upton]

And Boris can't even get the news conference right!  Was supposed to be at 16:00 then bumped to 17:00, now almost 18:00 and still nothing....

 

The Covidiots have already started heading out in large numbers for a night out and stripping the shelves of the big Tesco's.

 

At least the schools are still open thank God!

[Steamport Southport]

53 minutes ago, John M Upton said:

And Boris can't even get the news conference right!  Was supposed to be at 16:00 then bumped to 17:00, now almost 18:00 and still nothing....

 

The Covidiots have already started heading out in large numbers for a night out and stripping the shelves of the big Tesco's.

 

At least the schools are still open thank God!

 

it was pointed out to them that millions of people wouldn't be watching due to important sports events. So it was delayed.

 

[John M Upton]

Presumably including Boris himself!!!  You couldn't make it up!!!

[AY Mod]

It's a situation we shouldn't have to be in but we are for numerous reasons. Can we at least try to keep party politics and jibes out of it please?

[phil-b259]

11 minutes ago, John M Upton said:

Presumably including Boris himself!!!  You couldn't make it up!!!

 

Although far from a fan of Boris, I am getting more than a little fed up with some of the comments being directed at him.

 

Covid is not being spread by him - its the idiotic British public who think that the rules to not meet up etc don't apply to them which has done that!

 

Its a fair bet that a good chunk of these morons will be watching sport rather than paying attention to how they need to behave from now on. Hence putting back the press conference is perhaps not as incompetent as some like to pretend.

 

Lockdowns are not things to be celebrated - the economic misery as jobs continue to be lost - including those in places which were already struggling before the Pandemic hit, the increase in suicides / self harm as people cannot cope, the massive increase in domestic violence cases, etc are all made ten times worse during these periods of isolation.

 

Yes we need to make sure the NHS isn't overrun this winter, but equally its a pryic victory if society itself ends up being so damaged, the economy so ruined that the post Covid existence is a thoroughly miserable one for generations.

Edited October 31, 2020 by phil-b259

[AndyB]

Another tip run done,clearing out a house is going to be challenging with charity shops closed and just one tip run allowed per week.

 

Edited October 31, 2020 by AndyB

[phil-b259]

12 minutes ago, AndyB said:

Another tip run done,clearing out a house is going to be challenging with charity shops closed and just one tip run allowed per week.

 

First world problems, I have no sympathy.

 

Its those who have no wage coming in and will struggle to keep a roof over their heads, those living with an abusive partner, those care home residents with dementia unable to see their relatives, etc who I will be thinking of - not the 'inconvenience' of being unable to dispose of unwanted items.

[AndyB]

5 minutes ago, phil-b259 said:

First world problems, I have no sympathy.

 

Its those who have no wage coming in and will struggle to keep a roof over their heads, those living with an abusive partner, those care home residents with dementia unable to see their relatives, etc who I will be thinking of - not the 'inconvenience' of being unable to dispose of unwanted items.

 

Thanks Phil. 

I accidentally posted in the wrong thread. Obviously I too have similar sympathies.  And yes, caring for an elderly relative I can't visit at end-of-life is one of the challenges I have.

Edited October 31, 2020 by AndyB

[simontaylor484]

I am afraid it's all a very sad situation but it's a bit blase to say you have no sympathy with problems people have. We do not know Andyb s situation. Yes I have Parents i can't visit. 

[Steamport Southport]

16 minutes ago, phil-b259 said:

First world problems, I have no sympathy.

 

Its those who have no wage coming in and will struggle to keep a roof over their heads, those living with an abusive partner, those care home residents with dementia unable to see their relatives, etc who I will be thinking of - not the 'inconvenience' of being unable to dispose of unwanted items.

 

What?

 

So the fact that charity shops are closed is just First World Problems? My charity alone has lost millions, yes millions and is certainly not alone. I know of quite a few that are closed for good. Mostly the smaller ones which are for the local hospices, but also bigger names such as Age UK have closed shops.

 

I'm virtually unemployed. If it wasn't for the furlough scheme I would be signing on. I might end up doing so as there's no guarantee we'll be opening up again.

 

[John M Upton]

Are hairdressers and barbers shutting again?  There is so much burbling nonsense it is difficult to make out any exact facts.

[APOLLO]

 

Brit15

[The Johnster]

Where Wales leads England follows; we've had over a week now of our 'firebreak'.   Shops are open and fully stocked for almost everything I will need and I can even order takeaways.  My biggest problem is going to be running out of paint for modelling.  Not much to complain about really, and the death rate in Cardiff looks to have peaked, touch wood.  Stop moaning you bunch of English pansies...

Edited October 31, 2020 by The Johnster

[big jim]

41 minutes ago, The Johnster said:

Stop moaning you bunch of English pansies...

some of us are welsh living in England!

 

im just hoping my jury duty In Chester starting on Tuesday gets cancelled! 

[andyman7]

It is very clear that the crunch point here in the UK and elsewhere is hospital capacity. Much as I am no fan at all of Johnson, we are dealing here with a highly contagious virus harmless to many but serious enough to enough people to overwhelm hospital capacity that is not designed to cater for more than a handful of people to be in intensive care at any one time. The political tightrope is juggling deaths now versus deaths later - there is no consequence-free option.

We are going to have to come up with better ways to manage this into next year and beyond. Vaccine therapies will help even if they are not a magic bullet, and if managing infection levels until things stabilise requires pre-planned closures of shops etc on occasions then it is going to be better to plan them in (including the support those businesses need) than to keep lurching from one set of rules to another.

As for 'Covidiots', well there are always a few but I think most people want to do the right thing provided they can see the purpose. I do not blame people for wanting to live their lives, and I (as an older member of society) look with horror at the life chances of younger people that are being damaged by this. It is a feature of human history that when bad times hit, there are always some zealots that emerge and the current crisis is no different, with some people advocating martial law, the banning of all joy, and a puritan tendency to say that however strict the rules, they are not strict enough. Freedom is hard won and easily lost.   

[phil-b259]

1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

What?

 

So the fact that charity shops are closed is just First World Problems? My charity alone has lost millions, yes millions and is certainly not alone. I know of quite a few that are closed for good. Mostly the smaller ones which are for the local hospices, but also bigger names such as Age UK have closed shops.

 

I'm virtually unemployed. If it wasn't for the furlough scheme I would be signing on. I might end up doing so as there's no guarantee we'll be opening up again.

 

 

I was referring to the specific task of taking unwanted items for disposal. Compare that to someone facing 4 weeks at home with an abusive partner for example and its a petty thing to complain about.

 

However, more widely I take your point that Lockdowns have hit charity shop sector hard with significant financial shortfalls just at a time when the help charities provide is more important than ever. But what exactly is your solution then? The scientific modelling is clear, unless we do something our hospitals won't cope and people WILL die! Extended lockdowns work - half measures like 10pm curfews and closing pubs not serving food don't!

 

 

 

 

 

[AY Mod]

I'm already having to remove posts and access to the topic by regular conspiracy theorists.

 

 

Go and join your fellow nutcases elsewhere and don't use RMweb as a medium to promote your fantasies.

[simontaylor484]

The BBC website shows a graph from 4 different scientific organisations projections of death rates, a lot of the problem is scientists can't agree( not can anyone predict what is going to happen )

I have screenshots the graph below because I don't know how to do a link on this new tablet of mine 

 

[phil-b259]

2 hours ago, simontaylor484 said:

I am afraid it's all a very sad situation but it's a bit blase to say you have no sympathy with problems people have. We do not know Andyb s situation. Yes I have Parents i can't visit. 

 

Andy B simply talked about disposing of unwanted items. As far as I could tell he made no mention of any thing else.

 

I imagine quite a lot of people have parents they cannot visit - that in itself is not noteworthy these days but the context in which that statement is made may change everything.

 

For example I don't know your age, but you could potentially be in your 20s with parents in their 40s with no underlying health conditions. In that situation I would be very unsympathetic, however if you are in your late 50s, have parents in their 80s with dementia or heart problems for example then the situation is radically different and I would feel very sympathetic to your plight.

 

Edited October 31, 2020 by phil-b259

[phil-b259]

2 hours ago, AndyB said:

 

And yes, caring for an elderly relative I can't visit at end-of-life is one of the challenges I have.

 

Unfortunately that was not clear to me in your original post - hence my comment.

[The Stationmaster]

2 hours ago, John M Upton said:

Are hairdressers and barbers shutting again?  There is so much burbling nonsense it is difficult to make out any exact facts.

The Govt Covid advice site doesn't yet seem to have caught up with this evening's announcement but obviously some sort of official advice has been issued judging by what has been posted by this newspaper. Not daft comment and moans or cheers but a  straightforward list of what is and isn't permitted

 

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/18837653.new-covid-19-lockdown-rules-detail/

Edited October 31, 2020 by The Stationmaster

[H2O]

My sympathy for those impacted by this.  Hopefully people will follow the advice and this will reduce the current rise in cases.

Another 1st world (and railway centric) problem is preserved lines who were just starting to get back on their feet.  This will put at risk the specials in the run up to xmas. As these are a big part of their income another risk to jobs and projects in this sector.

 

[John M Upton]

I fear that despite Furlough being extended, a lot of hospitality business, pubs, restaurants, etc will probably have one final run up to Wednesday night and then close their doors, chuck the keys in and never return.

 

The economy was already disappearing around the proverbial U Bend but now it has been firmly flushed into the sewer.

 

The unseen death toll from undiagnosed non Covid medical conditions because GP's have effectively raised the drawbridges plus the growing mental health issues which are clearly increasing way more than Covid infections doesn't even bear thinking about.

 

Merry Christmas.....

Edited October 31, 2020 by John M Upton

[APOLLO]

I've no problem with the new lockdown, (perhaps a little late), indeed here in Wigan we are in tier 3 and coping OK (ish). What worries me is Christmas, or the mad rush to shops etc which will happen when (if) lockdown is lifted early December, then a couple of  weeks later over Christmas / New Year we see the figures rise again - then a third lockdown etc.

 

Somehow we will need to come out of the new lockdown in December slowly and managed. I reckon tier 3 will stay for many well into the New Year.

 

Christmas WILL be different, I'm sure most will muddle through as best they can - our family included.

 

Best wishes to all, where ever you are. Rmweb is a small comfort to many (me included) in these disturbing times - and thanks to Andy & the mods for keeping it that way.

 

Brit15