009 micro modeller Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 4 hours ago, Dunsignalling said: Although the group has diverse other interests, Hornby Railways has, for some years, been the odd man out in the r-t-r industry in being active in only one scale. Although Arnold (which they own) produces N and TT. Although for British outline RTR I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted October 24, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2022 In N gauge I notice they're increasing the range of models in countries the group operates in in HO; recently the very first RTR model from a major producer of a French steam loco — the 141R. There were over a thousand, and they survived pretty much to the end of steam in France, but — aside from Germany — there is little support for RTR N gauge steam locos in Continental Europe apart from ex-German locos., of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-Pete Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 58 minutes ago, 009 micro modeller said: Of course - sorry, for some reason I was thinking of a big coffee machine… I think the OP said "machine" rather than "cup". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonk Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 7 hours ago, APOLLO said: Does anyone know when Hornby TT:120 track will be on sale (not preorder) - I have read they already have it in their warehouse. Brit15 My understanding is they're waiting until at least some of the rolling stock is ready to go along with it. Having said that, they aren't going to want to be waiting months between the announcement and getting things out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 I'm sure the train sets will be released first, possibly the track packs at the same time or shortly after. Both well in time for Christmas...... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 I’ve signed up to the TT120 club while it’s still free, although I’m not sure I’ll be buying anything for a while at least. Do you get sent anything? It asked for a shipping address. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Dublo2 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, 009 micro modeller said: I’ve signed up to the TT120 club while it’s still free, although I’m not sure I’ll be buying anything for a while at least. Do you get sent anything? It asked for a shipping address. In theory you get a membership card and a printed copy of the brochure, with a regular magazine - not sure if anyone has received anything yet though Edited October 25, 2022 by 5Dublo2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishmail Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, 5Dublo2 said: In theory you get a membership card and a printed copy of the brochure, with a regular magazine - not sure if anyone has received anything yet though I signed up for the TT:120 club membership about two weeks ago, however it does say allow up to 28 days for processing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 35 minutes ago, 009 micro modeller said: I’ve signed up to the TT120 club while it’s still free, although I’m not sure I’ll be buying anything for a while at least. Do you get sent anything? It asked for a shipping address. It's just like Taskmaster, all the information is in the task, or in this case, on the webpage. You get: A pin badge A lanyard for your membership card A bunch of special offers A quarterly magazine Varying amounts off normal and special items I expect that things will arrive in the post eventually, it's only just over two weeks since everything TT120 was announced, so given postal strikes and so on.... I wonder if TT membership numbers start from 1? A low number membership card might eventually be valuable itself! 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 23 hours ago, Littlethorpe said: I'm currently constructing a new N gauge layout & using a Farish Class 08 for clearance checking. Then I'll do a final check using a Dapol 9F. If these 2 are OK then everything else will be. No it won't, a Minitrix 9F and others still won't go.... Les 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted October 25, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, 009 micro modeller said: I’ve signed up to the TT120 club while it’s still free, although I’m not sure I’ll be buying anything for a while at least. Do you get sent anything? It asked for a shipping address. Bear in mind it's only the first year's membership that's free, so best not wait too long before using the 15% discount (for however long that lasts) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 On 19/10/2022 at 00:10, Robin Brasher said: Kitmaster did make some locomotive and coach kits to go with the Tri-ang TT range. I have just watched Simon Kohler's interview with Howard Smith. I don't think that TT does anything that N gauge cannot do and I also think that TT gauge is too big. a 4'6" x 3'6" board is too heavy for one person to carry and I think the maximum size board that will fit in my car is 4' 6" x 3'3" whereas my 4'6" x 2'6" N gauge layout will fit in my car and I can carry it down my stairs. I did ask my group of the Hornby Railway Collectors Association if they would be interested in a TT gauge layout and their reply was that they have got no more storage space and if I wanted to make a TT gauge layout I would have to take it to the clubroom myself and to take it back afterwards. If no-one had invented model railways TT would be an excellent scale but 0, 00 and N gauges have already been invented and I don't think TT 120 does anything that N gauge does not do better already. You do realise that multi-baseboard layouts have been around for a while? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyRule1 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 With over 1900 posts and covering 7 pages apologies if this has been mentioned before. In the new issue of Heritage Railways there is an story relating to Flying Scotsman being displayed at Kings Cross last week, in the article it said Hornby were displaying the TT:120 models at that event. As the main sponsor of Scotsman 100 Hornby are very well placed to maximise sales of Flying Scotsman sets though either pop-up shops at sponsored events or even just encouraging purchases through their web-site with appropriate publicity.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 More info on the Club (from the back of the TT120 brochure/catalogue) Membership includes: 15% off all Hornby TT:120 products 20% off special promotional lines Access to special bundle deals Quarterly 32 page Club Magazine featuring tips, articles and guides TT:120 Membership Card, TT:120 Club pin badge and lanyard Exclusive Club models Advance notice of uncatalogued releases Free access to the Hornby Visitor Centre Half-price Family Ticket (max. 4) access to Hornby Visitor Centre Exclusive Club Members’ area on website Free access to the Hornby Members’ Lounge at selected exhibitions Monthly email updates The thing is that there is a small degree of confusion over details, for example the trainsets are advertised as having 2nd radius curves in one place, and 3rd radius curves in others. It'll all become clear when the physical models make their appearance! 1 hour ago, MyRule1 said: As the main sponsor of Scotsman 100 Hornby are very well placed to maximise sales of Flying Scotsman sets though either pop-up shops at sponsored events or even just encouraging purchases through their web-site with appropriate publicity.. The initial trainset "The Scotsman" contains the A1 Pacific "Blink Bonny". The locomotive "Flying Scotsman" will appear in A1 form in Winter 2022/23, about the same time as the trainset. I expect "Flying Scotsman" was excluded from the trainset to keep prices down. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PeterStiles Posted October 25, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2022 57 minutes ago, Hroth said: I expect "Flying Scotsman" was excluded from the trainset to keep prices down. I expect "Flying Scotsman" was excluded from the trainset to encourage people who bought the trainset to purchase the Flying Scotsman thereby doubling A1/3 sales.. Same with the way Mallard is excluded from the trainset. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, PeterStiles said: I expect "Flying Scotsman" was excluded from the trainset to encourage people who bought the trainset to purchase the Flying Scotsman thereby doubling A1/3 sales.. Same with the way Mallard is excluded from the trainset. Hornby have to pay a licencing fee to NRM for locos in their collection, so the box price will be a bit cheaper if those locos aren't included. The list price of the "Scotsman" set with "Blink Bonny" is already £20 more than the "Easterner" because of the lit Pullman coaches and Hornby want healthy pre-orders in what will be a price sensitive launch of TT:120. I'd have been more impressed if Hornby had produced a model of "Caerphilly Castle" in Phase 1... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philsandy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) Re. TT120 wheel standards. Don't know if this info has already been posted on here, I emailed Hornby technical dept. about this and got this reply (in less than 48 hrs): TT is built to European NEM standard 310. Please use the link below for the table you are looking for, showing all measurements. The gauge of TT track is 12mm, so along that line will be the numbers you need. https://www.morop.org/images/NEM_register/NEM_E/nem310_en_2009_20111116.pdf Hope this helps, Kind Regards, Matt Jordan Customer Technical Advisor Edited October 25, 2022 by philsandy 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Dublo2 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Hroth said: The list price of the "Scotsman" set with "Blink Bonny" is already £20 more than the "Easterner" because of the lit Pullman coaches ... I thought it had already been confirmed that the Pullmans in the set are the same are not lit, but otherwise are of the same standard as the separately sold, illuminated Pullmans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 47 minutes ago, 5Dublo2 said: I thought it had already been confirmed that the Pullmans in the set are the same are not lit, but otherwise are of the same standard as the separately sold, illuminated Pullmans That may well be so, it'd be just another example of confused information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Johan DC Posted October 25, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, 5Dublo2 said: I thought it had already been confirmed that the Pullmans in the set are the same are not lit, but otherwise are of the same standard as the separately sold, illuminated Pullmans Do you have the source on that? Might not buy the set if so. Is there another explanation for the higher price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Dublo2 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Johan DC said: Do you have the source on that? Might not buy the set if so. Is there another explanation for the higher price? The post by Frey that is part way down this thread indicates that he phoned up Hornby and asked (However I thought I had also heard someone say they got the same answer from Simon Kohler when at Kings Cross - I'll see if I can find that source)https://uk.Hornby.com/community/forum/sets-329451 EDIT: it is also mentioned in this threadhttps://uk.Hornby.com/community/forum/pullmans-330330 Edited October 25, 2022 by 5Dublo2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted October 25, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, philsandy said: Re. TT120 wheel standards. Don't know if this info has already been posted on here, I emailed Hornby technical dept. about this and got this reply (in less than 48 hrs): TT is built to European NEM standard 310. Please use the link below for the table you are looking for, showing all measurements. The gauge of TT track is 12mm, so along that line will be the numbers you need. https://www.morop.org/images/NEM_register/NEM_E/nem310_en_2009_20111116.pdf Hope this helps, Kind Regards, Matt Jordan Customer Technical Advisor That's good news. Note that NEM 310 covers the wheelsets only, with details of track and points in NEM 110 - see https://www.morop.org/index.php/en/nem-the-norms.html I guess that if the wheels are compliant though, the details of the track probably have to be too. I did some calculations on another thread that indicated that there wasn't a lot of wiggle room beyond the published dimensions if everything was going to work together smoothly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Dublo2 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Johan DC said: Do you have the source on that? Might not buy the set if so. Is there another explanation for the higher price? I just took a good look at the TT:120 brochure. The text for the Scotsman Set does not mention lit Pullman's at all (it describes them as stunning Pullmans). Also the lamp symbol that is used against the individual Pullman Cars in the same brochure is not shown against the Scotsman Set when it should probably be next to the DCC Ready Logo) For comparison I then looked at The Belmond 'British Pullman' OO gauge Train Pack in the 2021 Catalog and it does have the lamp logo next to that set and I know the Pullman Cars are lit in that set. Kind of hints to the same thing that has been posted in the Hornby forum i.e. that the Pullman Cars are not lit in the set. Oh and no idea about the price difference between the two TT:120 sets Edited October 25, 2022 by 5Dublo2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Johan DC said: Do you have the source on that? Might not buy the set if so. Is there another explanation for the higher price? Check the details on the Hornby site, I seem to recall that one of them has more track and other bits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Interesting post on Facebook tonight involving Hornby's use of an image to publicise TT and the owners of Farbine Rd WRD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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