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On 24/02/2023 at 20:51, Dix120 said:

The Settle & Carlisle Dent Station model needs a platform to raise the model up to the same height as the platforms. The height is easy but how wide should the platform be around the station? Also should the platform edges around the station be stone lined like the platforms?

Decided to try and figure this out from the model building dimensions and what I could see in pictures. I went with enough space on the platform side to match the straight platform pieces and five feet on all the other sides. This gives me a footprint of a scale 89' by 50'. Is this anywhere near correct for the prototype station?

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I'm getting too impatient to wait for the release of the HSTs later this year! (Possibly next...) - Does anyone have any idea when there are more 'The Eastener' sets due in?

 

I've never done steam before but I'm dying to get my hands on some of this scale!

 

Cheers,

Michael

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26 minutes ago, Michanglais said:

I'm getting too impatient to wait for the release of the HSTs later this year! (Possibly next...) - Does anyone have any idea when there are more 'The Eastener' sets due in?

 

I've never done steam before but I'm dying to get my hands on some of this scale!

 

Cheers,

Michael

 

Apparently, the shop at the Hornby visitor centre has them on the shelves now - I've seen photos elsewhere and so I assume they are available off the website too.

 

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14 minutes ago, TEAMYAKIMA said:

 

Apparently, the shop at the Hornby visitor centre has them on the shelves now - I've seen photos elsewhere and so I assume they are available off the website too.

 

Gresley pacifics, maroon Mk1s and Pullmans are currently in stock on their website

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27 minutes ago, HExpressD said:

Is that a circle of track nailed to a board behind them?

 

Yes, used as a "What does that look like then" when anyone complains. I get there might be some quality control issues, but no more so than with any other track. 

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On 26/02/2023 at 10:55, Legend said:

Seen at Model Rail Scotland . These Staniers look superb 

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Nice to see the 21T minerals.

 

IIRC these were supposed to be in the first tranche of wagons to be released and for me they were the best option to go with the blue Class 08.

 

The  shop now has their release date as Summer 2023 but unfortunately they aren't even available for pre-order yet, just as a stock alert for when they're back in stock. That seems a bit strange because there are some wagons with later release dates that can actually be pre-ordered (like the TTAs, which are Autumn 2023). Plus I think I've only ever seen EPs of the 21T minerals, not even livery samples yet.

 

Were they ever available for pre-order? Did I miss the boat or have they always been on stock alert?

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On 14/02/2023 at 08:36, TEAMYAKIMA said:

Having read all of these comparisons between OO and N allow me if I may to give my take on it.

 

OO has what I would call 'presence', but is too big for train sets in modern houses/flats.

 

N is ideal for ambitious layouts in small spaces, but for me has virtually no 'presence'.

 

TT has a lot of the space advantages of N but manages to maintain 'presence'.

 

I don't expect anyone else to think that way, but that's how I see things. 

 

 

Agreed. TT has 'heft', N doesn't. It's just that bit too small.

 

My guess is this is down to the size of the models relative to our species' hands and eyes. It's why so many kids toys are in the 1:100 to 1:130 scale range.

 

Photo from Lezlinilzen's Model Railway page on FB, to illustrate the point. 

TT heft - ZLezlinilzen Terepasztala.jpg

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I rather foolishly bought three ancient Berliner TT Bahnen locos on eBay last week.  The date written on one of the instruction leaflets is 1979, so definitely East German in origin.  I think this one is the newest but it is quite old.  It looks as if it hasn't had any lubrication this century.  It has now been DCC fitted- not difficult for this loco, and is running in.

 

Relevance to Hornby?  It runs through Hornby's dead frog points like a dream, but occasionally catches the plastic check rails on Peco points and tries to stall.  Video shows it in action. I suspect it won't need sound fitting, this racket is after a lot of oil.  Eventually it will work alongside J94s etc as an industrial shunter on Broken Scar, and pull odd trains on Bregstadt.

 

 

The Tillig van behind it has had one coupling swapped temporarily for a Roco one until some new type couplings arrive from Germany.

 

Les

 

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3 hours ago, teletougos said:

 

 

Agreed. TT has 'heft', N doesn't. It's just that bit too small.

 

My guess is this is down to the size of the models relative to our species' hands and eyes. It's why so many kids toys are in the 1:100 to 1:130 scale range.

 

Photo from Lezlinilzen's Model Railway page on FB, to illustrate the point. TT heft - ZLezlinilzen Terepasztala.jpg

I am absolutely in love with his work - well worth exploring all of his photos. Proof positive that you can accomplish in TT anything you can do in HO/OO.

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Found this comment from Richard Lines about the original TT interesting, it may have already perhaps been touched on in the past 200 pages.  He's saying one of the reasons the original TT failed is because retailers were reluctant to take it on when they already had all the OO and that production costs were very similar for both ranges meaning similar prices.  I guess direct selling addresses both of these issues with the latest incarnation...

 

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Elriwa (shop in Germany) just announced in the newsletter I got from them that they'll be stocking Hornby TT in their shop after concluding a deal with Hornby. They're doing a preorder special now on everything, e.g. asking €155 for Flying Scotsman, that's £137.

 

This should simplify things for buyers within the EU.

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That's interesting, they seem to be showing the same prices as the Hornby website (€164/£145 before discount), unlike that wholesaler in Australia who seems to be loading his prices... Even with their 5% discount it might still be cheaper for EU modellers to buy direct from Hornby if they can get the free post and Club discount.

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1 hour ago, Hobby said:

That's interesting, they seem to be showing the same prices as the Hornby website (€164/£145 before discount), unlike that wholesaler in Australia who seems to be loading his prices... Even with their 5% discount it might still be cheaper for EU modellers to buy direct from Hornby if they can get the free post and Club discount.

I think Elriwa actually wants to sell models, whereas I suspect the Aussies don't want to be bothered with it and jack the price in hopes nobody will be willing to pay such stupid prices.

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Modellbahnunion have similary plans like Elriwa but there is no official announcement.

 

Donnerbüchse Köln Modellbahnen from Cologne also announced that they  soon will sell Hornby TT:120 in Germany.

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3 hours ago, Stefen1988 said:

Modellbahnunion have similary plans like Elriwa but there is no official announcement.

 

Donnerbüchse Köln Modellbahnen from Cologne also announced that they  soon will sell Hornby TT:120 in Germany.

 

For retail sales to work , I think Hornby need the shops involved to stock the range in depth. A few random items tucked away in a corner of the shop is not going to work, either for Hornby or for the retailer. And a few items tucked away in a back corner of the shop is all that many Hornby retailers in Britain would be likely to offer - and then grudgingly, with a sense of arms being twisted.

 

So - given that this is going to be a niche scale in the short and medium term - I can only see retail sales working on the basis of a small number of specialist retailers, carrying the range in depth. How that might sit with Hornby's current British retailers for OO and Airfix is an interesting question....

 

In Germany this is definitely a niche product, and appointing a handful of retailers to carry a deep range of British outline TT should not upset Hornby's existing German retail network. Logically the specialists would be shops already selling plenty of Arnold TT  (not to mention Tillig etc)

 

I looked Elriwa up on Google, and scanning out on the mapshows them near Dresden - so very firmly in East Germany, which is very much TT heartland. Cologne is a bit different - it will be interesting to see whether modellers in West Germany are willing to explore modelling British outline in a scale other than their usual one. 

 

I assume both these shops are major mail-order retailers?

 

It will be interesting to see if one or two retailers in Poland start to carry the British TT:120 range. With a million Poles in Britain, some of whom surely have had TT models themselves, and many hundreds of thousands in Poland who have spent time in Britain, there might be a little interest in  modelling British outline in what is a familiar scale for Polish railway modellers (And there are plenty of Class 66s in Poland)

 

 

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9 hours ago, britishcolumbian said:

I think Elriwa actually wants to sell models, whereas I suspect the Aussies don't want to be bothered with it and jack the price in hopes nobody will be willing to pay such stupid prices.

The funny part is, the Aussie prices are in line with what we normally pay for Australian models!

 

That's why I crack up every time Sam goes on and on about value, you guys don't know how good you've got it!

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Fun Fact: That shop from Cologne is specialized on TT-Gauge and also exist as a shop "of "Wood and Brick".

 

There is a rumor in german Forums that Hornby got in touch with all bigger Retailer in Germany which sell their Arnold TT-Range to offer them to put the Hornby TT:120 Range into their portfolio.

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17 hours ago, britishcolumbian said:

Elriwa (shop in Germany) just announced in the newsletter I got from them that they'll be stocking Hornby TT in their shop after concluding a deal with Hornby. They're doing a preorder special now on everything, e.g. asking €155 for Flying Scotsman, that's £137.

 

This should simplify things for buyers within the EU.

Is this genuine?, 

Reason I ask is that I have not seen anything on the Hornby website or anything in the TT:120 members area of the site. 

 

Will be a big bonus if we can buy direct from the EU.

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