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There's a photo of that loco 'at Glasgow before delivery' in Rowledges's book - where he says "No. 7195  was used for tests with armour plating before leaving the maker's premises in Glasgow and spent a short while on test on the Melbourne Military Railway." presumably after it "went directly to the Longmoor Military Railway" ......... later it went on loan to the LNER in 1947 and became BR 90172 - presumably it had lost the armour by that time.

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2 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

There's a photo of that loco 'at Glasgow before delivery' in Rowledges's book - where he says "No. 7195  was used for tests with armour plating before leaving the maker's premises in Glasgow and spent a short while on test on the Melbourne Military Railway." presumably after it "went directly to the Longmoor Military Railway" ......... later it went on loan to the LNER in 1947 and became BR 90172 - presumably it had lost the armour by that time.

I think he may have spent some time on the Melbourne Military Railway as well in his WW2 service.  I remember him recounting that he was on his way via Canada/USA to the Far East when they dropped the atomic bombs, so he decided to "get lost" in North America for a while, which enabled him to cover a number of eastern railroad operations in the US, some of which he photographed in colour.

Unfortunately I'm not sure whether we actually got all of his photo collection, as some of the US colour images I remember from 1980's slide shows seem to be absent from our archive.  His collection passed through a third party after his death and it took a lot of work getting them in our archive. The same happened with Dr I.C. Allens photo collection.....not that we have that though!

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1 hour ago, Johann Marsbar said:

As we've drifted off topic for the S160's  in recent posts - this might be a good place to post this image that I found in our Museum photo archive this morning, whilst actually looking for something else......

 

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It looks more like a plywood dummy than a real loco - but less convincing than the inflatable Sherman tanks used during WW2

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25 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said:

 

It looks more like a plywood dummy than a real loco - but less convincing than the inflatable Sherman tanks used during WW2

 It was a WD 2-8-0 with armour plating. 

 

Though from what, I have never been able to find out. A loco list not likely to meet small arms fire, while the armour would need to be - say - 2 inchs thick to stop aircraft canon shells.

 

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3 minutes ago, JSpencer said:

 It was a WD 2-8-0 with armour plating. 

 

Though from what, I have never been able to find out. A loco list not likely to meet small arms fire, while the armour would need to be - say - 2 inchs thick to stop aircraft canon shells.

 

 

I just dug out my copy of Tourret and all he had to say about it was....  "WD 7195 left works in September 1943 experimentally fitted with armour plate over the top of the boiler, probably as a prototype in case it was found necessary for these engines to be armour-plated for the invasion of the Continent. In the event the Allied air superiority made such armour plating unnecessary and it was removed from this single locomotive before it was shipped to France"

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2 hours ago, JSpencer said:

 It was a WD 2-8-0 with armour plating. 

 

Though from what, I have never been able to find out. A loco list not likely to meet small arms fire, while the armour would need to be - say - 2 inchs thick to stop aircraft canon shells.

 

Of course that assumes a strafing aircraft is descending vertically downwards, if in near-level flight then 2” armour plate is more effective. Would have been needed across the tender and full thickness on the smoke box door though! 

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21 hours ago, Johann Marsbar said:

As we've drifted off topic for the S160's  in recent posts - this might be a good place to post this image that I found in our Museum photo archive this morning, whilst actually looking for something else......

 

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It is a 2-8-0, but one of the WD variety rather that a USA one and shows the sole example that was fitted with armour plating on the boiler and something I'd never seen a photo of before.

 

It's not excactly a brilliant shot, but was taken by H.N.James, a resident of Ipswich since the early 1950's until his death in the 1990's and one of the photo collections we hold in our archive.

He certainly took a number of photos at Longmoor during the war when he was based there, but where this image was taken I'm not sure. We may have details somewhere on our computer system, but he was someone who didn't make good records of where/when he took photos!

 

According to Brian Haresnape's book, which includes an ex-works photo of 7195, it ran on the Longmoor and Melbourne military railways in that form but the armour was removed before the engine was shipped to the European mainland.

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11 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Surely even small arms fire would be quite likely had the enemy invaded as was widely expected at the time.

By 1943 no-one believed Germany would be crossing the channel, and I think that includes most Germans! The air threat was being assessed partly in the U.K., but mainly for post D-Day logistics in the continent. Considerable effort was put into tactical air defence and offence, but by the time it happened the allies had air superiority. 

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Some 8f’s had armour plated footplate roofs in the Mid East, ive modelled two of them, one in Khaki and another in black.

 

Photos in Roger Tourret ‘s legendary book.

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