Peterborough North

[davidw]

but I shall resist.....

 

Resistance is futile.....

[coachmann]

Most Thompson Pacifics I've see have cockeyed footplates, which do these particular locos no favours. All I can say is, if one of these brill Pacifics isn't on Bachmanns 2014 list, I will model a cycle path.

Edited October 3, 2012 by coachmann

[jwealleans]

You'll be wanting these, then, Larry.

[landscapes]

Great Photos Gilbert

 

I think Thompson's A2/2 were a great looking locomotive so much so that I have ordered one from PDK unfortunately it will not be ready until about March next year, still that will be a lot quicker than waiting for either Bachmann or Hornby to produce a RTR version and I am sure it will be well worth waiting for.

 

I always regret not seeing any of them in service as I started train spotting about one year after the last one was withdrawn.

 

Looking forward to the next instalment of Peterborough North.

 

Regards

 

David

 

[Grafarman]

 

 

Awwww, now that's a beauty...'elegant muscle' was the phrase that came to mind seeing this pic...

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

David

Edited October 3, 2012 by Grafarman

[great northern]

Resistance is futile.....

 

Time will tell David. I really now need more Gresley coaches, so that will be the priority, save for the locos which I am still waiting for.

[davidw]

Time will tell David. I really now need more Gresley coaches, so that will be the priority, save for the locos which I am still waiting for.

I've 20+ Hornby Gresley's, predominantly in maroon. In due course they'll be wright/goddardised with new sides and tumble homes (is that the correct spelling). Just replaced one of my Bachmann B1's with another Hornby. And soon to have 60520 - I'm feeling very spoilt suddenly. If only a decent V2 would appear... Edited October 4, 2012 by davidw

[Mallard60022]

As TW said in his LNER Pacific book Millholme only good for using as ballast weight - Micklner, I've actually almost built (waits for gasps of astonishment and thuds as jaws hit floors) one of these heaps; great fun trying to make things fit and as for the v.gear, ho,ho,ho etc. I actually managed to get a new DJH boiler to use instead of the heap of s**t in the original kit; or was that a replacement boiler for a DJH boiler on a DJH kit .... oh who cares anyway. Whatever, I actually have tried it just because it is such a #######.

 

[quote name='great northern'

Time will tell David. I really now need more Gresley coaches, so that will be the priority, save for the locos which I am still waiting for.

GN - Easily sorted............make Geoff's (Comet) year with a nice order.

Now, how about a few of those new TMC Mk1 Horseboxes Gilbert? Even I'm tempted to get a few and I haven't even got any horses.

P @ 36E (well I was actually at 36A earlier - sunny but uninteresting )

[micklner]

As TW said in his LNER Pacific book Millholme only good for using as ballast weight - Micklner, I've actually almost built (waits for gasps of astonishment and thuds as jaws hit floors) one of these heaps; great fun trying to make things fit and as for the v.gear, ho,ho,ho etc. I actually managed to get a new DJH boiler to use instead of the heap of s**t in the original kit; or was that a replacement boiler for a DJH boiler on a DJH kit .... oh who cares anyway. Whatever, I actually have tried it just because it is such a #######.

 

 

 

 

I hope you have got a new Tender, if anything like the A2/3 version I think that was modelled on HMS Dreadnought !! .

The poor Loco need all its power just to try and pull that along !! let alone coaches.

I also have fond memories of the deranged Brass castings posing as slidebars!!

[Mallard60022]

I'll have to identify which box I've hidden it in in the loft. I seem to remember I had replaced the tender with a DJH one or maybe something else - can't quite remember.

When I find the loco I'll probably decide to give it to a charity shop.

Edit. Decided that I will go into loft tomorrow and find the heap and post a true story of what I've been mumbling about.

P

Edited October 4, 2012 by Mallard60022

[Mallard60022]

My sincere apologies but I actually like this particular C**k o the North. (I'm surprised the name in GNs post got through the web porno language filter thingy).

What a truly great bit of scratching by Mr W. Don't think I've ever heard him say/seen him to have written about this little bit of bashing - brilliant.

[Mallard60022]

I'll have to identify which box I've hidden it in in the loft. I seem to remember I had replaced the tender with a DJH one or maybe something else - can't quite remember.

When I find the loco I'll probably decide to give it to a charity shop.

Edit. Decided that I will go into loft tomorrow and find the heap and post a true story of what I've been mumbling about.

P

 

Well I lied (quite a lot) but I can only blame my age and use the excuse that it is the memory going and not me being a casual liar!

Here it is in all its' glory lumpiness.

 

I had not got as far as I thought and I had made the tender which certainly does weigh more than HMS Dreadnought. I think the thing looks OK though and I hope Mr Wright would approve if I finished it as a 'layout loco'.

The tender might just go though if I get a Baccy A2 one as replacement (would that do?) and I ever run it (it is/was destined for EM by the way so the frames are really far too narrow).

Now I don't have any real memory of these beasts, certainly not at close quarters, as I probably only saw them briefly as I passed a depot or similar whilst rushing up/down the ECML so I have relied on the 'Book of the A2 Pacifics' for my reference. (Great book; lovely pics).

As I have the plates and decals for 60511 in the box then that's what I was aiming for (but I had forgotten that).

The valve gear fret looks OK but the slide-bars, oh dear! I had made them work though!

As I have got this out I might just keep it within sight and have a little fiddle nearer Christmas when the cold nights set in and SWMBO is away/asleep/at the pub.

So chaps, apart from "scrap it" what advice can I be given to make a bit of a silk purse job here?

Sincerely,

P @ 36E

 

P.S. (Resistance is futile..... ) uuummm, memories of Seven of Nine's outfit

Edited October 5, 2012 by Mallard60022

[micklner]

Buy a Bachmann tender I think they are about £25 ?, sell the Millholme one on ebay, someone will buy it to reduce the Bachmann cost !!

New Bogie wheels and it shouldnt look too bad at all !! (Good Luck) !!

The one I had I offloaded before the Bachmann version came out. I would now do as above, especially as I now have a spare Tender from converting a Bachmann one to a A2/2 !!

[Mallard60022]

can just see the mystery "signal" or whatever it actually is, it isnt lit or showing any display it seems.

 

I've just remembered that a few nights back I was dozing and suddenly the thought came into my head that the 'mystery lights/signal' may have been a warning that a barrow crossing was in use? I have no idea from what dark and gloomy place that little gem was retrieved. Sad isn't it.

P @ 36E

[great northern]

Well I lied (quite a lot) but I can only blame my age and use the excuse that it is the memory going and not me being a casual liar!

Here it is in all its' glory lumpiness.

 

I had not got as far as I thought and I had made the tender which certainly does weigh more than HMS Dreadnought. I think the thing looks OK though and I hope Mr Wright would approve if I finished it as a 'layout loco'.

The tender might just go though if I get a Baccy A2 one as replacement (would that do?) and I ever run it (it is/was destined for EM by the way so the frames are really far too narrow).

Now I don't have any real memory of these beasts, certainly not at close quarters, as I probably only saw them briefly as I passed a depot or similar whilst rushing up/down the ECML so I have relied on the 'Book of the A2 Pacifics' for my reference. (Great book; lovely pics).

As I have the plates and decals for 60511 in the box then that's what I was aiming for (but I had forgotten that).

The valve gear fret looks OK but the slide-bars, oh dear! I had made them work though!

As I have got this out I might just keep it within sight and have a little fiddle nearer Christmas when the cold nights set in and SWMBO is away/asleep/at the pub.

So chaps, apart from "scrap it" what advice can I be given to make a bit of a silk purse job here?

Sincerely,

P @ 36E

 

P.S. (Resistance is futile..... ) uuummm, memories of Seven of Nine's outfit

 

Phil,

You appear to have done an excellent job on this most horrible of kits. The substitute DJH A1 boiler is a good idea, but you've run into the problem of the DJH A1 smokebox/boiler/firebox being the right length and the Millholme A2/2 - A2/3 overall being about a scale foot short - hence the (unavoidable) smokebox front protruding too far forward on your model. In my more 'ignorant' days, I built about four of these Millholme Pacifics (two as A2/2s and two as A2/3s), throwing a lot (most) of the bits away. I lengthened the footplates, only to find that the smokebox front was then almost a foot too far back. The descriptions (assault course reports) have appeared in print down the years. The list of faults and errors is legion; these include the too-short overall length already mentioned, the too-flat curve of the front framing (present on my model of 60501), the unbuildable crossheads and slidebars (lost-wax brass metal spaghetti epitomised), the tender from another dimension (literally) - it's too wide (corridor tender width, thus almost a scale nine inches more than it should be), has both rivets and beading (yes!), the sides curve in at the front and the rear plate has the rivets dividing the area into only nine segments (it might be 12, I forget) instead of 15. It appears that the Skinley drawing was used in the design. Not only that, the boiler band configuration for an A2/3 means that one can only model Edward Thompson (from building, up to 1962) or Airborne up to its first boiler change. The four cladding band divisions means it suited (stretching a point) all the A2/2s on rebuilding but only 60503 and 60504 later in their lives. In fairness, the boiler bands are so coarse that removal at source is advised. The round dome provided is horrid and the banjo dome is just that - a banjo shape, not, as it should be, streamlined for the A/2s. The cabsides have rivets of dustbin lid size - too big and too few, and the washout plugs on the firebox are round instead of oval. A Bachmann (Doncaster-built) A1 or A2 tender is most suitable, but as for the loco? Sorry to ruin your day.

TW, using GB's computer, with apologies to RMWebbers.

[LNERGE]

can just see the mystery "signal" or whatever it actually is, it isnt lit or showing any display it seems.

 

I've just remembered that a few nights back I was dozing and suddenly the thought came into my head that the 'mystery lights/signal' may have been a warning that a barrow crossing was in use? I have no idea from what dark and gloomy place that little gem was retrieved. Sad isn't it.

P @ 36E

 

Maybe nothing is showing in the stencil indicators because the signal at the end of the platform is on?

[Mallard60022]

Phil,

You appear to have done an excellent job on this most horrible of kits. The substitute DJH A1 boiler is a good idea, but you've run into the problem of the DJH A1 smokebox/boiler/firebox being the right length and the Millholme A2/2 - A2/3 overall being about a scale foot short - hence the (unavoidable) smokebox front protruding too far forward on your model. In my more 'ignorant' days, I built about four of these Millholme Pacifics (two as A2/2s and two as A2/3s), throwing a lot (most) of the bits away. I lengthened the footplates, only to find that the smokebox front was then almost a foot too far back. The descriptions (assault course reports) have appeared in print down the years. The list of faults and errors is legion; these include the too-short overall length already mentioned, the too-flat curve of the front framing (present on my model of 60501), the unbuildable crossheads and slidebars (lost-wax brass metal spaghetti epitomised), the tender from another dimension (literally) - it's too wide (corridor tender width, thus almost a scale nine inches more than it should be), has both rivets and beading (yes!), the sides curve in at the front and the rear plate has the rivets dividing the area into only nine segments (it might be 12, I forget) instead of 15. It appears that the Skinley drawing was used in the design. Not only that, the boiler band configuration for an A2/3 means that one can only model Edward Thompson (from building, up to 1962) or Airborne up to its first boiler change. The four cladding band divisions means it suited (stretching a point) all the A2/2s on rebuilding but only 60503 and 60504 later in their lives. In fairness, the boiler bands are so coarse that removal at source is advised. The round dome provided is horrid and the banjo dome is just that - a banjo shape, not, as it should be, streamlined for the A/2s. The cabsides have rivets of dustbin lid size - too big and too few, and the washout plugs on the firebox are round instead of oval. A Bachmann (Doncaster-built) A1 or A2 tender is most suitable, but as for the loco? Sorry to ruin your day.

TW, using GB's computer, with apologies to RMWebbers.

 

Well that's decided it - off to Ebay!!!!!!!

Thanks TW you are a star.

Phil @ 36E

[great northern]

TW has been in a very generous mood lately, his latest visit yesterday resulting in the loan of one of his lamps so that I can experiment with lighting. That will happen tomorrow, and I may or may not show the results, depending on how they turn out. Peterborough has also received on loan this beauty.

 

Not my photography, nor my photoshopping, though I really must have another go at that, as just the addition of a sky makes a huge difference. Apparently Hycilla can be spared from Little Bytham duties for a little while, so, duly fitted with a decoder she will grace some Gateshead workings on PN .

[CUTLER2579]

Quite ironic the naming of this A2/3, In the sixties we had Cilla Black singing on the radio and "Hycilla" normally as Black as they come.

 

Had to change that as it was probably no longer politically correct to say "as the ace of spades"

 

Regards,Del Boy.

[Mallard60022]

I've just been drooling over my Isinglass A2/3 drawing (have wiped that off now - are not these drawings just beautiful works of art) and have decided I think these loco's actually look very chunky (however I am the bloke that thinks most Pacific loco's look chunky except for A4s that look like whales and Bulleid originals that look like tin sheds).

So if I get a Baccy tender and complete this bomb and then cover it in grime, will that do for my layout (I'm short-sighted) or should I just 'flog it? The Donny build tender, was that the flush sided one - my brain cell can't remember?

Would a Finecast A2 tender be any good? (Can't afford a PDK one - ouch)

Answers on a first class stamp please.

P @ 36E (now totally paranoid about the other ER Pacific kits I have almost finished that are lurking just out of sight)

Edited October 9, 2012 by Mallard60022

[Mallard60022]

Dear Gilbert,

I have been asked by Control to inform you that Golf is now closed for the winter.

Also, and I have to apologise for the tone of this next comment, I have been ordered to ask you to get more photographs on this posting as several members are in care due to loss of interest in life as a consequence of having no loco's to admire or trains to spot.

Yours sincerely,

S. Pittlebridge (New England Running Foreman DSO BO FAT)

Edited October 9, 2012 by Mallard60022

[great northern]

Dear Gilbert,

I have been asked by Control to inform you that Golf is now closed for the winter.

Also, and I have to apologise for the tone of this next comment, I have been ordered to ask you to get more photographs on this posting as several members are in care due to loss of interest in life as a consequence of having no loco's to admire or trains to spot.

Yours sincerely,

S. Pittlebridge (New England Running Foreman DSO BO FAT)

 

Are you also responsible for the two heavies who I spied advancing threateningly towards my humble abode a few minutes ago? Fortunately I was able to show them a single photo, which seemed to placate them for the time being, and they slouched off saying that they would ask "the boss" if it would suffice. Right, please be gentle with me. What you are about to see is my first attempt at using fixed lighting, and my first partially succesful attempt at adding a sky background. This took hours, the swear box is full to overflowing, and I don't want to see another "layer" for some time. Add to that the sad fact that I couldn't keep my hand steady enough, and the result is not very good. I guess you have a choice really, lots of pics featuring ****** bookcases and other such extraneous objects, or one laborious shot like this. I know I should get a bit quicker, and hopefully a lot better at it with practice, but I don't think even then I shall be able to come up with anything to compare with the results obtained by the likes of Andy Y and TW. Right, don't crack a rib laughing, Here is the Up Elizabethan entering the station under a threatening sky....

 

I'm sure you can spot the bits I gave up on, and the item I finally removed completely..........

[micklner]

I wouldnt worry about it. I only look at the model and ignore the rest.

[Mallard60022]

Ahhhhhh, relief. That is one superb shot Mr G - a 'whale' in its' element.

P @ 36E

[westerner]

Yup A shot where the sun has broken through the threatening clouds and glints on the top of the A4's boiler.

 

I like it.

 

Don't give up.