Peterborough North

[BWsTrains]

The handles don't fold back on NE lamps - at least not on the one in my garage, that came off 60007.

Oh, that's too bad for that "bright" idea.

 

BTW is there a statute of limitations WRT unofficially relocating A4 running lamps? Given it was Government equipment, you might find the plod knocking at your door!

 

C

Edited July 26, 2018 by BWsTrains

[westerner]

 

 

After which a close up of an Ivatt is perhaps a little unfair. Utilitarian, if we are trying to think of a kind description.

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I do like ugly, I've always had a soft spot for workman like locos.

[Sandhole]

 

After which a close up of an Ivatt is perhaps a little unfair. Utilitarian, if we are trying to think of a kind description.

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I do like ugly, I've always had a soft spot for workman like locos.

I never saw many on my side of Manchester. I think that is why they made an impression on me.

Striking, I would call them.

                                      C.

[landscapes]

I am in complete agreement. There are problems though. One is getting the overscale things off, as they are very firmly attached. The next is that the lovely LMS ones are a bit small for my eyes to cope with, and the last is that the also lovely but tiny Modelu ones are very fiddly indeed. It's OK if I can attach them permanently, but most of my locos handle more than one class of train, so they have to be moveable.

Hi Gilbert

 

When you say firmly attached do you mean they are glued to the lamp irons?

 

The problem with Hornby lamp irons are, they are a good size but very flimsy especially on the A4’s and the lamp irons on Bachmann’s A1’s & A2’s are too thick to be able to drill a small pilot hole in the base of the lamp.

 

I get around this by replacing as and when required using a small straight section of a metal staple.

 

I have managed to find a staple exactly the same section as the lamp irons on the Hornby A3’s & A4’s.

 

Easy to fit just a small hole with a pin vice about 0.6mm into the loco body, cut, glue and insert the staple that way they are much sturdier.

 

Sorry to bore you if you do this already.

 

Regards

 

David

Edited July 27, 2018 by landscapes

[New Haven Neil]

Oh, that's too bad for that "bright" idea.

 

BTW is there a statute of limitations WRT unofficially relocating A4 running lamps? Given it was Government equipment, you might find the plod knocking at your door!

 

C

 

 

It was the property of the A4 Locomotive Society when it was given to me - by a founder member!  Back in the NCB Philadelphia days.  As for Plod - guess where I used to work…..

[Fenman]

 

After which a close up of an Ivatt is perhaps a little unfair. Utilitarian, if we are trying to think of a kind description.

18 3142 1.JPG

 

I do like ugly, I've always had a soft spot for workman like locos.

 

I always think of them as purposeful-looking.

 

Paul

[great northern]

Hi Gilbert

 

When you say firmly attached do you mean they are glued to the lamp irons?

 

The problem with Hornby lamp irons are, they are a good size but very flimsy especially on the A4’s and the lamp irons on Bachmann’s A1’s & A2’s are too thick to be able to drill a small pilot hole in the base of the lamp.

 

I get around this by replacing as and when required using a small straight section of a metal staple.

 

I have managed to find a staple exactly the same section as the lamp irons on the Hornby A3’s & A4’s.

 

Easy to fit just a small hole with a pin vice about 0.6mm into the loco body, cut, glue and insert the staple that way they are much sturdier.

 

Sorry to bore you if you do this already.

 

Regards

 

David

Hi David,

 

My problem is with vision at the range needed to do this kind of work. I have even had a pair of specs done which are supposed to work at that distance, but even so I struggle. That means I rely on people who can see a lot better than I, mainly Tim, but as we meet up for a few hours every couple of months or so, there is always a lot to be done, so we never get round to everything. It's just one of those things to be accepted with advancing age, I suppose.

[great northern]

It was the property of the A4 Locomotive Society when it was given to me - by a founder member!  Back in the NCB Philadelphia days.  As for Plod - guess where I used to work…..

 A man of the utmost probity, and with an impeccable past. My only criticism is:- why is it hidden away in the garage? An item of such historical significance surely deserves a glass display case, and a spotlight.

[great northern]

I always think of them as purposeful-looking.

 

Paul

 Hard to put into words, this one. I find a WD attractive in a stark and utilitarian way, to the extent that I enjoy photographing them, and even giving them a bit of a feature. The Ivatts get a look in only because I have committed myself to recording all that goes on at PN.

 

That Standard four was essentially a development of the Ivatt, was it not?  Someone obviously took a decision to try to make it look somewhat aesthetically pleasing though, which didn't happen with the mucky duck.

[BWsTrains]

 A man of the utmost probity, and with an impeccable past. My only criticism is:- why is it hidden away in the garage? An item of such historical significance surely deserves a glass display case, and a spotlight.

Good job I was joking or I might face problems at UK Immigration later this year   

 

Colin

[great northern]

A couple more hopeful shots against the light this morning. From the loading dock, we see the B17 waiting for 75060 to come off the Ely, so that it can take over.

 

If we move to the bay, we can get another angle on 60048 and 75060.

 

a lot of cropping went on with these two, to avoid near impossible photoshopping.

 

Now I have a new book of pictures of A4s to look at. Ordered online yesterday evening, and arrived before 0900 today! There are some advantages to modern living.

[great northern]

Good job I was joking or I might face problems at UK Immigration later this year 

 

Colin

It's Isle of Man immigration you need to worry about.

[mullie]

 Hard to put into words, this one. I find a WD attractive in a stark and utilitarian way, to the extent that I enjoy photographing them, and even giving them a bit of a feature. The Ivatts get a look in only because I have committed myself to recording all that goes on at PN.

 

That Standard four was essentially a development of the Ivatt, was it not?  Someone obviously took a decision to try to make it look somewhat aesthetically pleasing though, which didn't happen with the mucky duck.

 

I do like the Ivatt 4mts and any representation of the M&GN in the 50s has to include them, I have two, now waiting for conversion to EM and a layout big enough to run them on.  Like the WDs I think they have a purposeful look about them and a design I like.

 

Great photos as always, look forward to my daily fix.

 

Martyn 

[CUTLER2579]

Gilbert,

 

any chance  you might enlighten us to your new book of pictures of A4s, without advertising? 

 

Derek.          

[St Enodoc]

It was the property of the A4 Locomotive Society when it was given to me - by a founder member!  Back in the NCB Philadelphia days.  As for Plod - guess where I used to work…..

Erm, the NCB?????

[New Haven Neil]

 A man of the utmost probity, and with an impeccable past. My only criticism is:- why is it hidden away in the garage? An item of such historical significance surely deserves a glass display case, and a spotlight.

 

 

Thank you Gilbert!  It used to be on the 'Steamplex' at Groudle, but John sold it to pursue other interests so its back home.  The Steamplex was like an A4, but....not.  Can't find a photo of it with the lamp on!  You can see the lamp bracket anyway.

 

 

Back on topic......

Edited July 27, 2018 by New Haven Neil

[CUTLER2579]

It was the property of the A4 Locomotive Society when it was given to me - by a founder member!  Back in the NCB Philadelphia days.  As for Plod - guess where I used to work…..

 

Simples,  The Fire Brigade.   

 

As it is my 1313 post I thought I should be silly.

 

 

Gilbert replies, What's different.

Edited July 27, 2018 by CUTLER2579

[stewartingram]

I do like that post.

"I can't find a pic of the lamp, but here is one of the lamp bracket it sat on".

Wonderful!

 

Stewart

[New Haven Neil]

All our models require some imagination - that photo more than others....   AKA my frustration trying to find a photo got the better of me!

[Mallard60022]

 Hard to put into words, this one. I find a WD attractive in a stark and utilitarian way, to the extent that I enjoy photographing them, and even giving them a bit of a feature. The Ivatts get a look in only because I have committed myself to recording all that goes on at PN.

 

That Standard four was essentially a development of the Ivatt, was it not?  Someone obviously took a decision to try to make it look somewhat aesthetically pleasing though, which didn't happen with the mucky duck.

Oi!

P

[great northern]

Oi!

P

Now now. Don't get your feathers all ruffled up. I've always thought of you as a duck of exemplary cleanliness. Its them others we were talking about.

[great northern]

Here is another picture. It features no ducks, mucky or otherwise. I'm not quite sure why I took it, actually, but someone is bound to like it.

 

We do also have a nice side on view of 61653, which has backed on, and is waiting for the road.

[great northern]

We were promised rain, but none arrived. We were promised cooler weather, but it is still hot and humid. It is, however, blowing half a gale. The sun is also so bright that photography is impossible. 1958 was a disappointing summer, weather wise, and if the spotters were hoping for something exciting when the peg came off on the Up, they were to be disappointed too, as it is just the Cleethorpes-KX, with the usual B1.

[New Haven Neil]

'Someone' does!

 

Helps my new found lamp bracket fixation.

[great northern]

I have had better days.   Nevertheless, here is another look at the Cleethorpes B1.

 

and now for something that will make one person happy,(again)as the south end pilot shunts stock into Platform 6, while displaying a full complement of lamps upon the irons provided.