peanuts Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, Hobby said: If they hadn't come in though, what would have happened to the club? Perhaps it would have survived or perhaps it would havegone bust. It's well known that most football clubs in the UK are money pits so without these guys many more would go bust probably including yours. History doesn't matter, money does, all the history in the world won't save a football club if the revenue isn't there. It may be hard to accept but sometimes there's no alternative but to get some rich guy in to fund the club when the support and sponsorship simply isn't enough. the problem is the "rich " guy has come in and we have gone backwards first rule of buiseness dont piss off your customers as they are your life blood and these clowns are doing this every day .if they were to come out and say we are struggling fianacialy and cant boost the club in any way the fans would more than likeley rally around and do what they can but they dont they obfuscate the blank they ignore anybody comes out with good fundraising ideas they are quickly sidelined as not in the interest of the club .which has lead to the current appathy from the fan base 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 But if the fans "support" isn't enough to keep the club going they are not the lifeblood are they. With respect the club wouldn't survive just on the fan's efforts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Hobby said: But if the fans "support" isn't enough to keep the club going they are not the lifeblood are they. With respect the club wouldn't survive just on the fan's efforts. Without fans, irrespective of whether they keep the club financially viable or not, you haven't actually got anything, as Oldham could well prove based on season ticket sales. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Without a rich owner (or lots of sponsorship) you haven't got anything either... Except perhaps a lower non league side... Catch 22. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Hobby said: Without a rich owner (or lots of sponsorship) you haven't got anything either... Except perhaps a lower non league side... Catch 22. Agreed. So what is the answer? Mike. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Agreed. So what is the answer? Mike. The fact is, as soon as one club starts spending obscene amounts of cash to fund a team etc, then the rest have to do the same thing to keep up, or drop down the table(s). The Premier League has a 'Big Six'. it's horrendously expensive to join that group AND STAY THERE. Although the other 5 didn't get much of a look in, for the season just finished! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Deleted Edited August 7, 2020 by Hobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, kevinlms said: The fact is, as soon as one club starts spending obscene amounts of cash to fund a team etc, then the rest have to do the same thing to keep up, or drop down the table(s). The Premier League has a 'Big Six'. it's horrendously expensive to join that group AND STAY THERE. Although the other 5 didn't get much of a look in, for the season just finished! Has anyone tried the alternative? There are always a lot of good players out there who are not fortunate enough to get the chance to play pro football but would be every bit as good as those that do. For the price of one "galactico", a club could run a massive academy and, over time, get a good team together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, kevinlms said: The Premier League has a 'Big Six'. it's horrendously expensive to join that group If they will let you. The original "big four" still don't like having the other two. Tbh I expected Liverpool to do better than they did, they were lining up to break lots of records but stumbled a bit at the end. They were dominent in the league but at the expense of the cups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 I have some admiration for the NFL way of doing things, but that will never happen in proper football. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 35 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said: Has anyone tried the alternative? There are always a lot of good players out there who are not fortunate enough to get the chance to play pro football but would be every bit as good as those that do. For the price of one "galactico", a club could run a massive academy and, over time, get a good team together. yes they have they are called Acrington one of the best run clubs in the country with the type of level headed chairman most fans out side the big six would die for . to a certain exstenet Crewe under dario gradi were run as per your second example lots of youngsters brought through and sold on whilst the quality of the side slowly increased . problem is now the prem accadamys hoover up the youngsters now on amazing contracts so they are not interested in the lower league clubs now .we had a youngster on loan from man city accademy who had never and never went on to play in thier first team he is now playing in the mls his wages $20k a week that is what you are up against . if you do get a descent rospect as a lower league club big clubs no they can make a derisory offer when the players contract drops below six months or the risk is they will just go at the end of the season for nothing or a tribunal fee so many now have agents to turn there heads . 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Hobby said: If they hadn't come in though, what would have happened to the club? Perhaps it would have survived or perhaps it would havegone bust. It's well known that most football clubs in the UK are money pits so without these guys many more would go bust probably including yours. History doesn't matter, money does, all the history in the world won't save a football club if the revenue isn't there. It may be hard to accept but sometimes there's no alternative but to get some rich guy in to fund the club when the support and sponsorship simply isn't enough. There are plenty of spivs out there, though. For instance there was the guy who ran York City, and was going to close the club down, and sell the club for housing (and make a fortune); or the Guy at Doncaster who deliberately ran the club down, to the extent of paying someone to torch the admin building. There are those who put the ground and the club into separate companies; as the owner of the ground, they charge the club an unaffordable rent; when they can't pay, they eject the club, and sell the ground for development. If your owner/chairman is the CEO of a development company, be VERY wary! Don't even get me started on using football clubs to launder illegal money! Edited August 7, 2020 by 62613 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 looks like the EFL are starting to act Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, 62613 said: There are plenty of spivs out there, though. For instance there was the guy who ran York City, and was going to close the club down, and sell the club for housing (and make a fortune); or the Guy at Doncaster who deliberately ran the club down, to the extent of paying someone to torch the admin building. There are those who put the ground and the club into separate companies; as the owner of the ground, they charge the club an unaffordable rent; when they can't pay, they eject the club, and sell the ground for development. If your owner/chairman is the CEO of a development company, be VERY wary! Don't even get me started on using football clubs to launder illegal money! Well at least the Chelsea Pitch Owners have sorted that out. https://www.chelseafc.com/en/cpo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 I would like to think Brighton are now run in a very professional way and have been for a number of years since Dick Knight rescued us from the crook that was Bill Archer in the mid 90's. It does show how if the right people step up a club can be saved from near financial oblivion and non league football (if lucky) and achieve a place in the Premier League. It may look bleak for clubs like Oldham but miracles do happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmisterporter Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 As a supporter of a smaller club, Blackpool in my case, I am realistic enough to know that they will never break into the top six in the Prem permanently. However, they can win a trophy for gaining promotion from a lower league. I wonder if most fans of smaller clubs prefer their team to have a crack at promotion and a trophy rather than hope for safety as a mid table team that never actually wins anything. Look at how many times WBA and Norwich have been up and down; filling their trophy cabinet Alternating seasons of euphoria and dismay of course but hey, next season could bring another trophy. This applies to clubs and their supporters in every league. The majority of professional footballers never win a trophy in their career. in answer to,"What medals did you win playing football Granddad?" The answer is, "None, but we stayed safe in mid table". So don't worry if your team is relegated, just hope for a future promotion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Gareth Collier said: I would like to think Brighton are now run in a very professional way and have been for a number of years since Dick Knight rescued us from the crook that was Bill Archer in the mid 90's. It does show how if the right people step up a club can be saved from near financial oblivion and non league football (if lucky) and achieve a place in the Premier League. It may look bleak for clubs like Oldham but miracles do happen What's wrong with non - league football? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, 62613 said: What's wrong with non - league football? Nothing and I never said or implied there was. One game away from relegation, the ground sold and £m's in debt we would have been lucky to be able to play non league football the following season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Just now, Gareth Collier said: Nothing and I never said or implied there was. One game away from relegation, the ground sold and £m's in debt we would have been lucky to be able to play non league football the following season. Ah! Sorry! I can remember going to Kiddy's ground to see our lot (Stalybridge) play lose to Worcester during the first years of their travels after they lost their ground. About the only things that made the afternoon were the shepherds' pie from the food bar (it lived up to its reputation), and the noises coming from the SVR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 16 hours ago, Gareth Collier said: I would like to think Brighton are now run in a very professional way and have been for a number of years since Dick Knight rescued us from the crook that was Bill Archer in the mid 90's. It does show how if the right people step up a club can be saved from near financial oblivion and non league football (if lucky) and achieve a place in the Premier League. It may look bleak for clubs like Oldham but miracles do happen Quite... The other issue you have is that there are several (tens of in some cases) thousands of fans each with their own individual views on how the club should be run, you can't please everyone all of the time! Just luck of the draw whether you get a decent one or a crook. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo54 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Administrators say Wigan have got until Aug 31st to find a new crook/owner. No pressure lads....only 17 days!! What about the Saudis.......oh, they were found to be " not fit and proper". Looks like another club destined for the Northern Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted August 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Kendo54 said: Administrators say Wigan have got until Aug 31st to find a new crook/owner. No pressure lads....only 17 days!! What about the Saudis.......oh, they were found to be " not fit and proper". Looks like another club destined for the Northern Premier League. Skating over exactly what the previous owner is/was, Wigan are a perfect example of what happens when the money runs out. Sometimes in the long run it is better not to have aspirations. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 12 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Skating over exactly what the previous owner is/was, Wigan are a perfect example of what happens when the money runs out. Sometimes in the long run it is better not to have aspirations. Mike. maybe to have realistic aspirations the wigan crash was inevitable once the parachute money ran out small provincial team sandwiched between four large premier clubs was never going to be anything more than a yo yo club between L1 & championship on thier gates with out massive financial backing from a sugar daddy and much as happend with pompey once they get bored and arent getting the return they expected they pass it on to the next smuck untill eventualy some poor sucker gets left holding the empty chalice 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Congratulations to Bayern on crushing the overrated Barca last night whilst on their way to winning the Champions League. steve 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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