Jon020 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Sean.. hope the honeymoon was enjoyable... and welcome back. I think the 50 and other projects are a good idea... something to work through quite quickly, 'cause a deltic is for life not just for Christmas... and the complete package may take a while (mine's approaching its first anniversary, although the paint setback didn't help - all stripped off now and retained all but one etch part - phew). To be honest, given the amount of correcting I had to do to the front ends, I'd probably give the resin nose a go... this is what Chris Pendleton did - his was the first articel publsihed in MRJ a while back. It will save having to widen the bufferbeam cut out and replacing the (too small) tail marker light housings - if using a non-light model... and you'll then have the headcode box in the right place too - although whether the 1mm error is all that noticeable is hard to tell - it might be evident if two are stood side by side... oh and the buffers will be the correct width apart too. I understand that there are a number of modellers that have undertaken this "mod"... but I've not seen any results. I'd talk to Brian. Assuming I still have some sanity at the end of my current project, and I think that I'll be able to face another, I'll be going for the resin nose... if for no other reason - to save myself some time. Perhaps we can convince Brian to have a look at all the other bits too - fuel tanks, bogies etc, etc. Go on... give it a go... you know you want to . See you at Warley... possibly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Hello all, your all barking mad. But so am I. Keep up the good work my friends Hope that you get over the honeymoon soon. Nudge nudge wink wink. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I think we all are barking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I have to be honest but that fan grill is worse that the one Hornby gave you. The below picture shows the Hornby original (rear) old shawplan (middle) and extreme etches grill to the front. Always make sure you don't just swap stuff for the sake of it, it has to be better Hth Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon020 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 There was a couple of articles fitting the early test etches to a Bach 55 by George Dent in Model Rail (Nos 124 and 125 I think)... George did a good job, but I have done some things differently... or rather as I think they should be done. I also dropped the bogie ride height and added the brake levers with the right "kink" angle... and the chains. George didn't do the chains... but then he got a better finish to his that I did (yes, I'm working on that). Brian has since remodelled the bufferbeams (better now IMHO) and promises to improve some more bits too... although he's got quite a backlog of other items ahead of him... probably worth the wait. It was George's article (my brother leant me his copy - I still have it) that got me thinking about these conversions in the first place.... and I started quite a while before the parts were available using a method on the EM KierHardy site (Deltic project)... done by Pete Johnson which used mostly scratch built items... and this is what I used on my first Nimbus, the Green Howards and Tulyar - as appeared in the back of the BRM Deltic supplement last month. They're a bit crude, but look ok... yes like you and the DP2... they will not strand comparson next to the current project (or rather that's my hope). Now go to the bottom of the page on this http://emgauge70s.co...lpageindex.html As for the awaited OO DP2, let's wait and see how good it is first... and then judge. Maybe, it'll be worth using the ends on a Bachmann 55 body to get a better 55... whi knows, we wil see. And yes OzzyO... totally barking! But it's ok to be barking because you don't need a license anymore Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 And there was me only having black and white cats cos the licence was cheaper. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Hiya The old shawplan one fits the Hornby hole and is pretty fine. The new shawplan one is much better but is the right size (and shape) for a proper 50. Painted the PH ones look better but I'd still replace them with the old shawplan ones if I were you. Hth Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted September 9, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2011 just out of interest when the 50's were built what was the walkway between the roof hatches made from? I've read that it is from a mesh, but in the british rail mainline diesels book it doesn't show it as mesh, and some shawplan etches i have they are just a flat etch so I'm unsure what to use. rik Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted September 9, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2011 I bought a few of jim sw's old lima 50's which had some smooth etched ones on and I got hold of some of the older shawplan detailing frets for the refurbished class 50 and the have the smooth style ones with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon020 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Dont forget to cut out the whole of the step on the 55... and add a backplate (behind) to get the correct depth for the etch. Oh, and that's a model of Nimbus isn't it (big arrows)? Nice project - the 04.. will watch with interest. J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Sean. Is it just me or are there a set of boobies behind the radiator grill in the above photo? OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 :lol: You've picked up on something there OzzyO..... It's the best magic eye picture I ever saw..... Tis the only one that's worked for me. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 15, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2011 O. K.....QUESTION..... The first few 04's, (this one included), were built with a drain pipe type chimney. I have found one in my local model shop from A1 models, priced at 99p, (bargain)..... At the moment, D2207 is fitted with the conical type chimney on the NYMR. Does anyone know when the conical chimney was fitted? Answers on a postcard please..... Cheers. Sean. O.K....ANSWER.... Pedants hat on. It's not a chimney, its a lump of cast iron put over the exhaust pipe to improve the balance/tractive effort. Dunno when it was fitted though, sorry, but I'd suspect fairly early on, if it wasn't like the later 03's that had them fitted as built. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 O.K....ANSWER.... Pedants hat on. It's not a chimney, its a lump of cast iron put over the exhaust pipe to improve the balance/tractive effort. Not the best location to put any extra weight, in my opinion. The chimney was hollow and still had the exhaust pipe running up the middle, the top was capped just to stop water from pooling at the bottom of the flower pot. It may? have been put on to improve the looks of the loco, but not much more. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m mcdermott Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 hi frozen thingys sorry cant help with chimley but cant wait to see how terry and his porno grill come along.mali Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 a 1960's copy of Parade .... Strewth, there's a memory, our barber used to have that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mirreles31 Posted September 19, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2011 Yummy a load of Peaks ta Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethevans1986 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 D147 I can tell you know, this old girl looks very different these days from the above image....she didnt want to start on Saturday either...even with me hanging off on the fuel racks! http://46010.co.uk/ GE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon020 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Curses! Had you asked this on Friday, I could have browsed all of the etches packets hanging on show at Scaleforum yesterday... as it was, I only picked up some Class 47 bits... but we had a really nice long chat about "Deltics" (what else ) and saw some things in work. Why not give him a call.... but leave it until Monday or Tuesday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 26, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 26, 2011 Other than roof fan and grille, handrails and lifting brackets, no other specific peak parts available. TBPH it really needs a new bodyshell altogether, now where did I hear that discussed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Why do you say that? The discussion about the noses was decided to be wrong in the end. Cheers Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethevans1986 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 46010 will be running at the GCRN on Saturday and Sunday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 27, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 27, 2011 Why do you say that? The discussion about the noses was decided to be wrong in the end. Cheers Jim When comparing with the Derby drawings at Butterley not much is right at all Jim, remember who we're dealing with here! A paper bodyside was made to show the inaccuracies in that area, and that's before you start on the cabs, roof, bogies etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 27, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 27, 2011 Hi E/W. Can you expand on the above on here, or better still, take some, or all of your research to Warley, (assuming you're going to be there?). I'd like to see it and if I'm going to tinker with my peaks, it may assist. Cheers. Sean. Nothing would give us greater pleasure Sean, can't do too much for a customer , although other than the bodyside, (if it's still around), most of the rest is either mental notes on paper and pictures of the drawings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 When comparing with the Derby drawings at Butterley not much is right at all Jim, remember who we're dealing with here! A paper bodyside was made to show the inaccuracies in that area, and that's before you start on the cabs, roof, bogies etc etc. Can't remember seeing any reference to any actual data at the time, just people adamant the nose was completely wrong and siting that the curve in the grill was proof. However practically any photo will show that the grill is curved. I have seen brians template since them and it highlighted minor errors that nobody got the first time. Cheers Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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