Ron Heggs Posted November 17, 2014 Author Share Posted November 17, 2014 Ron You should be able to just use a digital calliper to set the gauge but really its the check rail gauge that will be the most important at 15.2 mm. The knuckle will be about 2 mm nearer the Vee with the size of turnouts you are using. What Gordon S has taught me is that the 16.2 track gauge is just through the crossings and you can flare out the gauge at both ends of the turnout to match up with flexi track. If building a formation you can keep to 16.2 through it but remember on curved track you will need a 3 point track gauge. I look forward to seeing the progress John, C+L are out of stock of 00-SF gauges - re-stocking expected end of this month. Have made up some temporary gauges from machine screws and nuts with 1mm thick washers, just to check the sample build The sample turnout (curved, 1 in 11.5) in 00-SF has turned out a far more satisfactory build, and with no hiccups with various RTR stock Will suspend further trackwork construction until the appropriate gauges are to hand - don't want to tempt providence with my mock-up gauges, as there is a lot of complex trackwork to construct next Ron 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted November 17, 2014 Author Share Posted November 17, 2014 There are various sayings which come to mind - It never rains but it pours - When one bus arrives, three come at once 1. Still waiting for TNT to deliver the etching package to my daughter in the UK, after being returned by them from Spain back to the UK - coming up to 6 weeks in transit from Scotland - Have a new TC Soldering Station ready to go 2. Can't proceed with the viaduct arches/walls/etc. waiting on bulk delivery of ink for the printers 3. Trackwork builds stopped - waiting for C+L to re-stock 00-SF gauges What's left ? A. Finish the CAD designs for the 3D printed signal heads (care of Pete Harvey, PH-Designs) and switch motors B. A couple of bridge girder parapets (GN Junction) in styrene (definitely have the material) C. Complete the installation of the Train Shed roof (styrene and epoxy) Quickest and easiest is A, followed by B (night time job) and C (daytime job) Posting details of A very soon 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted November 17, 2014 Author Share Posted November 17, 2014 The completed designs for the Signal Heads (courtesy of Pete Harvey) and Switch Motors, ready for uploading to Shapeways - Sprue #1 - View from Front Top - 2 & 3 aspect ground signals + covers View from Rear Top - 2 aspect platform starters View from Front U/S View from Rear U/S Sprue #2 - View from Front Top - 2 & 3 aspect ground signals + covers View from Rear Top - 2 & 3 aspect signals + covers View from Front U/S View from Rear U/S Switch motors x 60 These signals, etc. were existing from 1935 thro' 1958 at Manchester Central, prior to re-signalling, etc. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRail Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Ron, I seem to recall reading somewhere that you can provide a 3d file for one item and order a no of and avoid the material holding them together which saves money they then arrive as individual items in a bag I think you pay based on material usage. May be worth checking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted November 17, 2014 Author Share Posted November 17, 2014 Ron, I seem to recall reading somewhere that you can provide a 3d file for one item and order a no of and avoid the material holding them together which saves money they then arrive as individual items in a bag I think you pay based on material usage. May be worth checking For FUD each item is charged at $3.49 per cm3 + $5 per item, which if all the single items are placed on a sprue, only a single $5 charge is levied. For the sprue #1 which has 58 small items the saving is $285, the cost of the additional sprue material is less than $7 It is definitely worth checking out the individual item material cost against the number of items required, and the on cost per item - sprued or otherwise Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Ron, I seem to recall reading somewhere that you can provide a 3d file for one item and order a no of and avoid the material holding them together which saves money they then arrive as individual items in a bag I think you pay based on material usage. May be worth checking Plus, something as small as Signal Heads won't be large enough to order as a single item, so it may have to physically be put on a sprue to be printed. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 John, C+L are out of stock of 00-SF gauges - re-stocking expected end of this month. Have made up some temporary gauges from machine screws and nuts with 1mm thick washers, just to check the sample build The sample turnout (curved, 1 in 11.5) in 00-SF has turned out a far more satisfactory build, and with no hiccups with various RTR stock Will suspend further trackwork construction until the appropriate gauges are to hand - don't want to tempt providence with my mock-up gauges, as there is a lot of complex trackwork to construct next Ron Ron Glad you have found the 00sf gauge of use. The check rail gauge is the most important, next to that is the wing rail gauge which is just a 1mm thick piece of steel (dont think Peter sells these) I got mine from both Polarbear (original seller of 00sf gauges) and the EM Gauge Society. Its a great pity no one sells a complete range of track gauges. Its good that Peter is having to re-stock on these gauges as it means folk are building track Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acko22 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 HI Ron, All I can say is wow, I read three pages and now 99 later its just amazing! I am too young to know what Central was like back in the day (Was the Gmex before I was even born!) But you have got so much detail and so perfectly done it it like the real thing albeit smaller! Just goes to show what can be done! Sadly will never got to see it for real as well you would need a fleet of vans to move it anywhere and well fair to say its a labour of love not for exhibitions! But truly amazing and cant wait to see it coming along and when the time is right seeing the final thing! Just one question the MSJ&AR lines are they going to be running to? With the old pre class 304 emus? Gareth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted November 17, 2014 Author Share Posted November 17, 2014 HI Ron, All I can say is wow, I read three pages and now 99 later its just amazing! I am too young to know what Central was like back in the day (Was the Gmex before I was even born!) But you have got so much detail and so perfectly done it it like the real thing albeit smaller! Just goes to show what can be done! Sadly will never got to see it for real as well you would need a fleet of vans to move it anywhere and well fair to say its a labour of love not for exhibitions! But truly amazing and cant wait to see it coming along and when the time is right seeing the final thing! Just one question the MSJ&AR lines are they going to be running to? With the old pre class 304 emus? Gareth Hi, Gareth Thanks for your much appreciated comments As you can see from the last link in my signature, I have started scratchbuilding a 3 car set of the original EMUs. It is another continuing build which is held pending time to produce the designs for the bogies and obtain an appropriate motor/gearbox. The answer to your question is YES - an operating MSJ&AR EMU will be running on the small section of line - most of which will be in the garden Ron 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted November 18, 2014 Author Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) GN Junction Bridge Parapets over Beaufort & Collier Streets - The bridge beam over Beaufort Street is 382.5mm long x 40mm high x 12mm wide Top drawing is railside, and the Lower Drawing is roadside The bridge beam over Collier Street is 142.0mm long x 15.5mm high x 5mm wide The beam supports the continuation of the bridgeworks under GN Junction, and over the junction between Beaufort & Collier Streets. The beam also supports a brick trackside wall Construction - Styrene sheet - 40 thou top & bottom flanges - 20 thou web and T sections Progress from last night West end detail Progress this evening Centre section detail ... railside T sections, and flange strengtheners to be added Edited November 20, 2014 by Ron Heggs 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Hi, John Will you being posting this in your workbench thread? Ron Ron putting the slip together, fairly standard stuff I use 0.5mm copperclad strips, one across the centre sleeper to temporally hold the stock rails together, the other 4 are used to solder both obtuse (K) crossings in gauge. Towards the end of the build these are trimmed back to the rail sides to allow chairs to be stuck against them and glued in place Shows the principal, I chickened out of making the bent stock rail in 2 pieces, mainly because I like the switch blades to be in one piece and only soldered to the centre sleeper to keep them flexible. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 GN Junction Bridge Parapets - Update Both bridge beams now complete - await the spray booth for their grey primer coat - pictures tomorrow 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted November 20, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2014 GN Junction Bridge Parapets - Update Both bridge beams now complete - await the spray booth for their grey primer coat - pictures tomorrow Have the been load tested yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 Have the been load tested yet? They are effectively only decorative. The bridge deck is the plywood base for the trackwork carried on the brick viaduct at GN Junction. Will post a drawing to illustrate the area Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 Quick sketch of the GN Junction Area - Red represents the junction trackwork Blue - Thick lines - viaduct walls Blue - Thin lines - road boundaries Black - bridge beams 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 The beams fresh from the spray booth - The smaller beam is for over Collier Street (Note: Previously attributed to Ivy Street - another senior moment) It's not that big - it's an optical illusion ... and if you look closely there may be some rivets visible May get round to installing them tomorrow 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 The good news is - The package of etchings was finally delivered to my daughter in the UK on Thursday Morning - that's six weeks from pickup by TNT from the etchers, and by the scenic route of Scotland to Spain and back to Scotland and then the South of England Luckily, this was just in time for my eldest daughter who is visiting the UK from Spain, to pick the package up on Friday. The package should be with me next Sunday 30th November, along with a few other railway modelling related items A rolling stock item from Locomotion also took the scenic route via Spain and back to Shildon and then to the South of England. Now safely on its way via road and ferry back to Spain Don't have any problems with DHL and UPS, and items couriered from Amazon, or posted via Royal Mail and Correos It's going to be a busy time this December and the New Year 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted November 26, 2014 Author Share Posted November 26, 2014 Yesterday, checked the levels of the bases to platforms 1 & 6, along their 2200mm lengths. Then marked out the span beam locations on these bases - 15 x 140mm centres and 840mm across span. The train shed span sections have now been fixed in place using epoxy The two gable end transoms will be fixed when the three span sections have been linked together with the 34 transverse beams - Tomorrow Working from within the platform hoist area of the baseboard, the internal height to the train shed roof is approx 1700mm AFL, which means that my neck is bent slightly, causing a little discomfort during the three hours fixing the span sections in place. Will have to arrange a high seating arrangement for further work Fixing the over span tie and wind bracing to the link sections is going to be a challenge with access over the baseboard from either side approx. 800mm across to roof apex, and no room for sky hooks Pictures of progress tomorrow 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted November 28, 2014 Author Share Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) A few hours late - the latest pictures of the progress on the fixing of the train shed roof structure View from the Concourse end at platform level The curtain wall is only placed in position - still requires a great deal of detailing, etc. View over the Station & CLC goods yard area The gable end transom placed but not fixed - the external platform extensions and canopies continue from this point to the right View thro' the West side - the white patches will be covered with brickwork detailing, etc. The span section links/transverse beams fixed, and await the over span ties and windbracing View from outside the North end gable - restaurant/cafe building to the left (to be finished and detailed Views of the East side curtain wall - Platform 8 canopy will be fixed along the length of this wall The concourse gable end - additional lower level glazed canopy, timber facing and station offices will be added - ..... and the clocks Working under the roof has been assisted by the use of a bar stool complete with fluffy black cushion The first part of the West wall is laid by the corner ... work on the Train Shed can now proceed alongside all the other work which is progressing - shouldn't get any excuse for an impasse now Edited November 28, 2014 by Ron Heggs 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 We are not worthy..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted November 28, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2014 Utterly Amazing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallows Close Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 You must be pleased with that Ron. Just out of interest, how heavy is the roof structure? Best wishes, Chris. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Anotheran Posted November 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2014 I've followed the thread for a long time, at times inspired, others so in awe it's almost demotivating (but not quite). But I can't just click a rating button on that. The roof is a masterpiece Ron. I know it was a massive amount of work, but the result is incredible. Kind regards, Neil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) A few hours late - the latest pictures of the progress on the fixing of the train shed roof structure IMG_0909.JPG View from the Concourse end at platform level IMG_0910.JPG The curtain wall is only placed in position - still requires a great deal of detailing, etc. IMG_0911.JPG View over the Station & CLC goods yard area IMG_0912.JPG The gable end transom placed but not fixed - the external platform extensions and canopies continue from this point to the right IMG_0913.JPG View thro' the West side - the white patches will be covered with brickwork detailing, etc. IMG_0914.JPG The span section links/transverse beams fixed, and await the over span ties and windbracing IMG_0915.JPG IMG_0916.JPG IMG_0917.JPG View from outside the North end gable - restaurant/cafe building to the left (to be finished and detailed IMG_0918.JPG Views of the East side curtain wall - Platform 8 canopy will be fixed along the length of this wall IMG_0919.JPG IMG_0920.JPG IMG_0921.JPG The concourse gable end - additional lower level glazed canopy, timber facing and station offices will be added - ..... and the clocks Working under the roof has been assisted by the use of a bar stool complete with fluffy black cushion IMG_0922.JPG The first part of the West wall is laid by the corner ... work on the Train Shed can now proceed alongside all the other work which is progressing - shouldn't get any excuse for an impasse now Hi, I've just been pointed this way by Neil, (Anotheran) and yes as above, its AWESOME, some of the best structure modelling I have ever witnessed, well done. Edited November 28, 2014 by Andrew P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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