Guest Max Stafford Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Will you lot stop shouting? I can't hear me'self think! Actually, it would be nice if these locos were kept 'Turked up' It would certainly look different. Maybe the Nene Valley or GCR should look out for one of the old BR58s or Vulcans - that would be eye catching and might just be in gauge for those railways too! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hadyn Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 45170 will be on display in the sidings at Shildon this weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted March 23, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2011 The new series of Monster moves on the History channel, (Sky and Virgin only, I think) looks as if it will be covering the Turkish 8F moves in the next week or so. There should be some interesting stuff, but there will also be lots of silly "disaster scenario" animations and singing if the Spitfire episode is anything to go by. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 HI Yes saw it to night , was very good programe ,the passion of the men it came across very well, moving them by rail was amazing to see. Top porograme! Darren Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 HI These two loco where on TV the other night,showing how they got them by rail across Turkey Amazing program, so glade these guys did bring them back, i take my hat off to them. Darren Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrowroad Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 HI These two loco where on TV the other night,showing how they got them by rail across Turkey Amazing program, so glade these guys did bring them back, i tack my hat off to them. Darren Can you remember which programme as I would like to watch this via catch up TV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted April 1, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 1, 2011 Can you remember which programme as I would like to watch this via catch up TV. History channel, monster moves. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 45170 on display at Shildon Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OFFTHE RAILS Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 As there are already 8F 2-8-0s in preservation perhaps a boiler could be used to re-create a 1933 Stanier mogul - which had a boiler of identical external dimensions according to Haresnape's "Stanier Locomotives". OK the Stanier moguls had domeless boilers but as a domed 8F boiler has already been mooted for a re-creation of a GWR County 4-6-0 ,it seems possible. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw1993 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 As there are already 8F 2-8-0s in preservation perhaps a boiler could be used to re-create a 1933 Stanier mogul - which had a boiler of identical external dimensions according to Haresnape's "Stanier Locomotives". OK the Stanier moguls had domeless boilers but as a domed 8F boiler has already been mooted for a re-creation of a GWR County 4-6-0 ,it seems possible. Ian I don't really follow this? There is already a stanier mogul preserved? Unless there is another type that I am unaware of? Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 I don't really follow this? There is already a stanier mogul preserved? Unless there is another type that I am unaware of? Ian Me too, there is/was one preseved at the SVR.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OFFTHE RAILS Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Re: Stanier Mogul Thanks - I didn't know there was a preserved one ! I should have read Haresnape's "Stanier Locomotives" a bit more carefully - there's a photo of the preserved loco. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Re: Stanier Mogul Thanks - I didn't know there was a preserved one ! I should have read Haresnape's "Stanier Locomotives" a bit more carefully - there's a photo of the preserved loco. Don't you just love those Homer Simpson moments? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 ye, their songs are always so cheesy, and i can remember watching an episode a few years ago of an engine returning to glasgow from south africa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boscarne Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 This programme is on Channel 5 tonight at 8.00pm, see here; http://www.channel5.com/shows/monster-moves/episodes/episode-3-321 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250BOB Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I beleive there is a programme on Channel 5 this evening (Tuesday), about 8pm, part of a series called Titanic Moves. The story of moving these locos accross Turkey for their trip back to the UK. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 If there was ever a thought of naming these two 8Fs, 'Ron Jarvis' and 'Fred Soden' would be memorials to the work of the two men who went out with the 8F kits and oversaw the re-erection of the locos, some in Egypt, most in Turkey, and in the latter country then got them running to their new owner's satisfaction, among other adventures. That's the same Mr Jarvis who would later head the redesign and alteration of the Bulleid pacifics into their rebuilt form, the last hurrah of significant steam loco design and construction under BR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 19, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 19, 2011 I beleive there is a programme on Channel 5 this evening (Tuesday), about 8pm, part of a series called Titanic Moves. The story of moving these locos accross Turkey for their trip back to the UK. Bob Just watched that. Quite interesting. How did the bearing metal manage to fall out of the bearing? I got the impression that TCCD hadn't got a clue how much horsepower was needed to move those two locos over the hills as they stalled twice in the footage shown, the first with the loco expiring in a shower of electrical sparks! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Monster Moves in fact - just watched after recording it earlier. Warms the heart, stories like that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 the first with the loco expiring in a shower of electrical sparks! Those were not electrical sparks, just the results of the wheel treads grinding the rails away, the P-way gang would not have been happy when they found the resulting wheel burns.Regards Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Just watched that. Quite interesting. How did the bearing metal manage to fall out of the bearing? I got the impression that TCCD hadn't got a clue how much horsepower was needed to move those two locos over the hills as they stalled twice in the footage shown, the first with the loco expiring in a shower of electrical sparks! Keith I found the speed at which they hauled the dead locos somewhat alarming, especially as they had been standing in dry conditions for some time. Running for any time after losing a bearing like that will not have done any good to the remaining half-bearing, the frames or the wheelset; it would have hammered the track as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I would suggest that we don't knock TCCD as could you see Network Rail and a TOC being so obliging. It's not a case of how helpful they've been, more a case of what the possible consequences of their actions might be. A failed bearing causing an axle to break would derail the train, and cause a heck of a lot of damage to the track- I've seen the mess when this happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 20, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2011 Those were not electrical sparks, just the results of the wheel treads grinding the rails away, the P-way gang would not have been happy when they found the resulting wheel burns. Regards Keith That was what was said at first, later comments by the team seem to suggest electrical failure. That's why I commented. I was amazed that there was no walkie-talkie communication between the Loco crew and the 8Fs, hence the later posts about the speed which was supposed to be 40kph and was quite obviously much higher! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted July 20, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2011 I can't belive the locos weren't given a basic service to make sure they were ready to travel before being shunted onto the first train. Surely they should have tested the brake-pipes were air-tight and the bearings were OK before they were moved. It's also not suprising that the rust was minimal - Turkey's a lot drier than the UK. Personally, I can't help but think the £100,000 they spent on buying and repatriating the locos would have been better spent getting some of the locos rusting away all over the UK back up and running. It'd be nice to see one restored and then sent back to Turkey - they are part of Turkish railway history after all. Happy modelling. Steven B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 But it didn't happen, so again all credit to TCCD. Had the locos not been travelling so fast, then it is quite likely that the bearing would not have flirted out in the first place. My recollection of the rules for moving shunting locos dead-in-train on BR is that they were limited to 20 or 25 mph (about the equivalent of the 40 kph the Turkish convoy was meant to be moved at) and they had to be stopped for examination every hour or so. It was the closure of the loops necessary for such things that meant that these transfers went over to road. Indeed, TCDD should be praised for having accepted such a movement in the first place; however, the execution (including excessive speed, apparently inadequate traction and absence of communication between driver and the people on board the two locos) did not reflect well on them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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