Stevelewis Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) I have just secured a GREEN Wainwright C class from Arcadiarail Oldham £96.00 Tim has a few more in stock NOW should anyone want one Best to Phone if poss, not email 01706882900 Edited July 21, 2014 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Just received a C class in green, I am sure that the earlier black ones which I decoder fitted for a friend had tender pickups However this one doesnt! Can any one confirm whether or not tender pickups should be present Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted July 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2014 There are no tender pickups on any variant of this model. It's the Hornby models that have these ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 There are no tender pickups on any variant of this model. It's the Hornby models that have these ... I cannot quite understand Bachmann's recent logic concerning tender pickups, 3f None, 4f has as do D 11 & J11 According to the write up on the C class in 2014 Britains Model Trains the C class Does have tender pickups! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted July 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2014 I can confirm that none of the Bachmann C Class releases have had tender pick ups. The DCC socket is in the tender hence the wires between the tender the loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I can confirm that none of the Bachmann C Class releases have had tender pick ups. The DCC socket is in the tender hence the wires between the tender the loco. Thanks for the confirmation, So Britains \model trains 2014 is incorrect!! I appreciate the rreason for the inter loco trender cabling, I have digitised so many locos recenlty for friends that it all has become a blur, I could have sworn the C class was tender pickup equiped!! I have been giving the C class which arrived today a test on analogue before sticking a decoder in it, and have noticed that it does hesitate noticably on a dead frog & 2 dead frog points, specifically used on my test track ( to test pickups) It will be interseting to see when I have fitted decoder and stay alive it is any improvement I'll be back in 15 mins! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted July 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) I've found problems with one of mine where it's parked in a siding and occasionally needs a prompt to get started again. It seems not all the pickups are in full contact with the wheels and a bit of tweaking was required. With the engine-tender wiring already in place it should be easy enough to fit tender pickups using these - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/87949-dcc-concepts-oo-gauge-wheel-pickups/ Edited July 22, 2014 by RFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I have 3 C class none with tender pick ups. On the latest one, I stripped it down to fix a bug. While I was there I adjusted all pickups, so now it really is sweat and won't stop over dead frogs. That said, getting the keep plate off is a cow because of the metal sand pipes. You need to bend these straight. Pay attention that you do not snap them, they seem to be sprung steel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Lack of Tender pick-up's is actually good news at least for this member! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Well the plot thickens!!, I did not get to fit a decoder to the loco, It will be heading back to the supplier I am afraid! One of my neighbours came by (also an entusiast and ex ER loco driver) so showing him the C class, he observed that it had a prounced wobble notice more when viewing it head on rather than from the side, surprising really i dont often have Bachmann locos with fauults Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Well the plot thickens!!, I did not get to fit a decoder to the loco, It will be heading back to the supplier I am afraid! One of my neighbours came by (also an entusiast and ex ER loco driver) so showing him the C class, he observed that it had a prounced wobble notice more when viewing it head on rather than from the side, surprising really i dont often have Bachmann locos with fauults My latest one had a noticeable front end shimmy when I first tested it but it really straightened out after a couple of hours running at half speed on the rolling road. I am very happy with it now. I fitted a decoder but it was one of the cheap Bachmann (Soundtraxx) ones. The running is smooth enough with this decoder but it sounds a bit 'chattery' so I will be replacing the decoder with a TCS or Lenz one in due course. My other two Cs from the first production batches have TCS EU621 decoders fitted which work beautifully and neither exhibited the slight wobble of this latest one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 My latest one had a noticeable front end shimmy when I first tested it but it really straightened out after a couple of hours running at half speed on the rolling road. I am very happy with it now. I fitted a decoder but it was one of the cheap Bachmann (Soundtraxx) ones. The running is smooth enough with this decoder but it sounds a bit 'chattery' so I will be replacing the decoder with a TCS or Lenz one in due course. My other two Cs from the first production batches have TCS EU621 decoders fitted which work beautifully and neither exhibited the slight wobble of this latest one. This one is heading back to the retailer, something which I find is occuring more frequently these days, If an item does not perform reasonably well initially, I reject it Re decoders , almost 20 years of Digital experience has taught me that price has little to do with decoder performance, its the CV settings that the user implements that matter, I have used many Bachmann "cheap" decoders without any issues, currently I am fitting Hattons even cheaper decoders which perform admirably Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 This one is heading back to the retailer, something which I find is occuring more frequently these days, If an item does not perform reasonably well initially, I reject it Re decoders , almost 20 years of Digital experience has taught me that price has little to do with decoder performance, its the CV settings that the user implements that matter, I have used many Bachmann "cheap" decoders without any issues, currently I am fitting Hattons even cheaper decoders which perform admirably Yes this batch seem to be the chimpanzee walking style group. There is something wrong with one of the centre drivers on this model. I posted earlier that I had to skim it with a lathe to make it round. Initially it wobbled and rocked more than the old Hornby 0-6-0 SSPP generic chassis with traction tyres. It was also more noisy. Now it quiet and runs much better with just a hint of rocking, but no more than the first batch. It has been run so much trying to iron out the problem, that it consumes 20% less electricity than its older class mates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecheesemiester Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Apparently the lack of tender pickups was to save money on the tooling as the secr passenger livery was so expensive to make. I have one of the secr livery c classes and it runs like a pig, after having its wheels cleaned thouroghly and having been oiled. Its a shame that they sacrificed performance just to keep the prices down, as im sure many people would rather have tender pickups than a complex liverys (if the rumour i heard was true). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 24, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2014 Interesting this..I have one of the first batch 'C'....a B.R. one which,coincidentally,I purchased from Steve a while back. I have to say it runs ok.But there is obviously a problem with some of this batch. Try contacting Barwell to see what they think......they are both approachable and helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I have just secured a GREEN Wainwright C class from Arcadiarail Oldham £96.00 Tim has a few more in stock NOW should anyone want one Best to Phone if poss, not email 01706882900 Timely link so thanks. A quick chat with another Oldhamer and I've got a C class winging its way to NWales. As with the initial batch, they are selling out fast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brittannia Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 No problems with my green C class runs perfectly no stalling or wobbling, same goes for the BR C class as well , I used a Lenz silver 21 pin in both Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) BR early crest C arrived today. Ran like a dream too. Edited July 25, 2014 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 BR early crest C arrived today. Ran like a dream too. Where did you get it from Coach?. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Where did you get it from Coach?. Thanks. I can help you there see earlier posts ARCADIARAIL SHAW,, Tim has or had 2 days ago all 3 variants in stock, best to phone not email it is a busy shop. phone nuimber is on www.arcadiarail.co.uk ***NOTE ALSO**** He is CLOSED TUESDAYS and then the shop is closed from JULY 31 for a week for HOLS Edited July 27, 2014 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Just a couple of quik observations re the C class and another Bachmann 0-6-0 the J11 which may prove helpful to those experiencing Cclass running problems. Both the 2 locs are similar in design EXCEPT for the C class lack of tender pickups. The C class still has cables between loco & tender to accomodate the decoder socket in the tender EVEN IF THE LOCO IS NOT BEING USED DIGITALLY THIS CONNECTION IS STIILL REQUIRED as the decoder socket has to have its blanking plug fitted to allow the motor to receive DC power! We have a small test track incorporating some insulfrog points and it was notable that the C class juddered on these and at low speeds sometimes stopped, whereas the J11 had no problems at any speed, thus indicating that the J11's tender pickups were supplying the power when the loco drivers were on the dead frogs. HOWEVER we noticed something of more significance, the cables linking the loco tender had a tendency to lift the loco up fractionally thus raising the rear loco axle ever so slightly, but enough to interrupt power pickup and cause the juddering effect. Careful repositioning of these cable may help somewhat, but if the loco is to be used on Analogue only, it should be poss to eliminate the tender to loco cables and simply connect the 2 sets of cables withing the loco ( I have not confirmed if this is feasable as I have not removed a C class loco body) Also loosening the keeper plate screws slightly on the loco may also help the situation. Hope this helps. incidentally I know a guy who has both Bachmann 3f & 4 f locos, he says his 4fs get a lot more use than the 3fs, ( the 4fs have tender pickups the 3fs dont!) Pics show the J11 not a C class!! Edited July 27, 2014 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted July 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 27, 2014 Hereford Models have all 3 variants in stock - http://herefordmodels.com/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I bought the SECR liveried one from Arcadia on Saturday, and it wasn't the last one he had in that livery. I also saw the Southern liveried varient (didn't look for the BR one, but that didn't mean that he didn't have any). Also took the opportunity to preorder the E4 in LBSCR umber, as I suspect that these will prove as popular as the original SECR liveried release of the C class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Where did you get it from Coach?. Thanks. Apologies...I haven't visited this thread for a while. As Steve Lewis says, it was Arcadia in Oldham. Great service......... We both knew the late Norman Wisenden and his shop in Greenfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Apparently the lack of tender pickups was to save money on the tooling as the secr passenger livery was so expensive to make. I have one of the secr livery c classes and it runs like a pig, after having its wheels cleaned thouroghly and having been oiled. Its a shame that they sacrificed performance just to keep the prices down, as im sure many people would rather have tender pickups than a complex liverys (if the rumour i heard was true). Hi The thing is the price has not been kept down,But has gone up, So if the price has gone up why do they not fit pickups the tender?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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