ozzyo Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Best send an order in for a Setrack oval. Keith at what Rad, or set track 2 or 3. To my mind this loco should not be expected to go around a curve of much less that 36" Rad A curve of Hornby 3 is only approx 19 3/4" rad and I would say that this is a tight curve for a large "scale" model. But I could not see on the Hatton's web site what the recommend Min. Rad is, or did I miss it? OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 (edited) Hi Mark in Oz, yes, I would agree, its a start, but far from 'Heavy'. But the loco itself ran faultlessly through my pointwork and baseboard joints, its incredibly smooth and quiet. I'm hoping to send mine to a friend in Yorkshire, who does all my loco's, the next picture shows the BG near to what I call a 'weathered' loco, 4F 4382, a Buxton loco. cheers joe Many thanks to you and others who have shown us the 'actual' model. Now that the dust has settled I think it fair to say the weathering is light, almost non-existent above the waistline, but we can remedy that as required and as Ian points out there was no price premium charged. I notice a white stain adjacent to the safety valves... Different lighting will no doubt offer different effects. As to the running issues a few have after a number of hours, one presumes this is something to do with motor/drive parts and/or assembly. Hopefully not too common. Meanwhile my two models 47996 and 47981 have passed from Hattons and Royal Mail to the agency responsible for delivery to NZ which may be NZ Post or maybe the airline freight contractor, either way, next Thursday is a fair guess of landing on my doorstep. There certainly is something nice about the motion of this type of engine when running. Edited August 2, 2014 by robmcg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted August 3, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 3, 2014 Not the heaviest weathering I have ever seen. Was imagining rusty parts, numbers and crest almost totally obscured etc. Was planning on getting a heavily weathered one but I think I will wait for now. Perhaps they will release Extremely Weathered at some point that will be closer to heavy weathering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) I'm sure that with a bit of brush or spray, many things could be achieved... Here is 'my' version of 47996, photo-edited from my pristine 47992... since my 47996 is I suspect somewhere over Asia... Edited August 3, 2014 by robmcg 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250BOB Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Not the heaviest weathering I have ever seen. Was imagining rusty parts, numbers and crest almost totally obscured etc. Was planning on getting a heavily weathered one but I think I will wait for now. Perhaps they will release Extremely Weathered at some point that will be closer to heavy weathering. Are you that confident there will be more releases.???? Maybe that's a possibility.......but I wouldn't think at the same price.. Better you buy one at today's prices and pay to get a good heavy weathering job done professionally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Not the heaviest weathering I have ever seen. Was imagining rusty parts, numbers and crest almost totally obscured etc. Was planning on getting a heavily weathered one but I think I will wait for now. Perhaps they will release Extremely Weathered at some point that will be closer to heavy weathering. I too am not convinced there will be any further releases, if there were then I dont think they would be 'soon' If you consider previous limited editions released in the last couple or so years, most are still available AND at much reduced prices, for example take a look at the Class 14 Teddy Bear now selling for £69.00 for some variants, The Co-Bo and 10000 etc also are still listed at reduced prices. I just received the last one of a special edition of 1000 from Hattons yesterday ( not an exclusive Hattons release) which was originally just over £100 but reduced to just £69. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 To my mind this loco should not be expected to go around a curve of much less that 36" Rad It won't have to after I have P4d it, but meanwhile the instruction book with the model says it will run round radius 2. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted August 3, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2014 .........18000 next... .. Quiet, be grateful. Nah..18100 please...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 It won't have to after I have P4d it, but meanwhile the instruction book with the model says it will run round radius 2. Keith There would be little point in investing in the development of a 'mass market' model which would not traverse what appears to be the industry standard recommended minimum curve of R2 (approx 18") Just as a matter of interest I had some LGB Mallets (European & USA outline) which were upto 900mm long, they were designed to traverse G scale R1 curves which are 600mm (24") radius ( looked a bit silly doing so though!!) luckily my garden lines were built to a more gentle radius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 The problem with locking could be down to the motion. I've had a couple of Bachmann loco's where this has happened. My first 7F did an hour or so then locked up. Fortunately I was there when it happened. Tried reversing and the wheels did half a turn and locked again. On inspection it was poorly assembled guides. Five minutes work and it has run smoothly ever since. Had the same before with either a BR or Ivatt 4MT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2Eric Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 I got my Beyer-Garratt yesterday, BR version 47996. Superb model and runs really well. As mention by others the 'heavy' weathering needs some attention, but can be done to your own required standard. Just one thing though, for a BR version it shouldn't have bogie brakes should it? Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dublodad Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 I ran my Garrett on Bachmann EZ track (my usual test track) and it traversed both 18 inch and 22 inch radius in a "Dog Bone" shape OK. This includes a reverse curve of 18 to 22 inch track!! Terry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) . Just one thing though, for a BR version it shouldn't have bogie brakes should it? Nor should the late LMS versions. they are all part of the pony truck moulding. easy enough to snip off. Edited August 3, 2014 by JZ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted August 3, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 3, 2014 Well the good and bad news is I have run my BG for 20-30 mins without any dramas and all appears well, the bad news is I find downloading pictures/videos to this site a bit of a faff so will have to do some editing to get down to 1MB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) Nor should the late LMS versions. they are all part of the pony truck moulding. easy enough to snip off. Not exactly - they are separate mouldings plugged and glued onto the pony truck moulding - they can be prised off with care. Regards, John isherwood. Edited August 3, 2014 by cctransuk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 My lock up did look like the motion was causing the problem but it locked so tight that I decided that a replacement was best. The problem first started on a Peco small radius point (24 inch) which was part of a crossover but it had previously traversed a 22 inch radius curve on many occasions, in both directions, the day before. I am guessing here, but I think that a rivet may have come loose near the crosshead. Not really what we should expect! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Oh dear. Now I'm worried, hope yours is a one off JohnT. I wonder if the weathering on the rods is causing drag and therefore the seizing? I don't think it was the weathering as the rods were still silver including around all the rivets and other moving parts. It was one of the most disappointing parts of the weathering job as the blackening of the rods had already "fallen off" when I first released it from the packaging! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 It makes me wonder if the BG has been produced' down to a price'? there seem to be quite a few reported problems occuring with them on here, perhaps more than have been reported with other recent releases, of course there are possibly a much higher proportion of buyers perfectly satisfied with thei locos. What makes me wonder re the price is the fact that reference to the Heljan Website shows that their H0 steam locos do command much higher prices than the BG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted August 3, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 3, 2014 Eventually reduced a photo to required size, as can be seen there is little or no weathering to talk about , but the loco ran beautifully 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) It makes me wonder if the BG has been produced' down to a price'? there seem to be quite a few reported problems occuring with them on here, perhaps more than have been reported with other recent releases, of course there are possibly a much higher proportion of buyers perfectly satisfied with thei locos. What makes me wonder re the price is the fact that reference to the Heljan Website shows that their H0 steam locos do command much higher prices than the BG I agree the model has been produced to a budget, the 'down to a price' effect if you like. The retention of pony truck brakes, the very light weathering, the apparent inability to effectively blacken rods, and the (hopefully few) quality control issues suggests to me that manufacturing of parts and assembly of finished models received little in the way of care and changes which might have delayed sales. [edit; 'further delay sales'] Thus also the 'down to a price' occasionally warped cab, seized drivetrain, and so on. The basic model is I think very brave and when compared to a similarly complex model for the Euro market I cannot see is being less than double the price. I'm personally never likely to be running models for many hours, never have in the past, I have always been there in the room, and while I fully accept that a model should run faultlessly for many hours in its lifetime, it would take years of use to reach (for me). Do people actually leave the room with an engine circulating and then come back every now and then to see if it is still going correctly? How many hours of running is acceptable proof of 'fit for purpose'? To what extent must the retailer be responsible for small imperfections in assembly, lubrication, possible mis-handling by manufacturer or buyer? To me the smooth DC running of my Garratts is a sheer pleasure to watch. I am very impressed by Hattons replacement policy. I do hope they will make some money out of it all. Edited August 4, 2014 by robmcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 I too am not convinced there will be any further releases, if there were then I dont think they would be 'soon' If you consider previous limited editions released in the last couple or so years, most are still available AND at much reduced prices, for example take a look at the Class 14 Teddy Bear now selling for £69.00 for some variants, The Co-Bo and 10000 etc also are still listed at reduced prices. I just received the last one of a special edition of 1000 from Hattons yesterday ( not an exclusive Hattons release) which was originally just over £100 but reduced to just £69. I will be surprised if Hattons end up 'remaindering' Garratts at less than £199. If they do an extra run with genuinely heavy weathering it might be worth a premium, but easy enough to try it yourself, or pay one of several weathering businesses to give your model something extra special, typically £60 would get a professional cover of grime with extra staining to match photos you might provide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted August 4, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 4, 2014 One thing that I have noticed on my 'heavily' weathered version is that the numbers are too far back. The characteristic limescale dribble from the edge of the top bunker ledge over the fourth number can't be reproduced without moving the numbers forward. This won't be a problem for me to do after 'extreme' weathering will be applied which would cover any imperfections in the moved numbers. Also the bunker ledge seems to be too short. It looks like it should continue to near the centre of the rear coal flap. I'll have to think hard about altering this. P4ing the thing is the is the main task for now. After all, it passes the 'Garratt test' ..."if it looks like one, it must be one"! The two images above are from the very informative Irwell Press publication 'The Book of The LM Garratts' 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 ...How many hours of running is acceptable proof of 'fit for purpose'? ... Quite right, we don't have a standard. I would suggest that functionally it is that the mechanism should last a comparable time to the motor; and this is likely to be many hundreds of hours in normal use. (Subject to the user taking care of lubrication, and not subjecting the model to any 'torture test'.) We don't see much in the way of complaints about end-of-life of model mechanisms, other than the split chassis Mainline and Bachmann steam models where mechanism parts fail well before the motors. I have been through over a dozen such from Bachmann, the heavier examples managing two to three hundred hours running over five or six years, before they were all used up, mainly die to wear through of all the plating in the conduction path 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250BOB Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Unfortunately my planned trip to Hattons has had to be cancelled, pressure of work. It has now arrived at my pals who ordered it for me, and I shall meet up at the pub this evening for the official unveiling and hand over ceremony. No more pills.!!!!!! Bob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 One thing that I have noticed on my 'heavily' weathered version is that the numbers are too far back. The characteristic limescale dribble from the edge of the top bunker ledge over the fourth number can't be reproduced without moving the numbers forward. This won't be a problem for me to do after 'extreme' weathering will be applied which would cover any imperfections in the moved numbers. 018a.jpg Also the bunker ledge seems to be too short. It looks like it should continue to near the centre of the rear coal flap. I'll have to think hard about altering this. P4ing the thing is the is the main task for now. After all, it passes the 'Garratt test' ..."if it looks like one, it must be one"! 015.jpg The two images above are from the very informative Irwell Press publication 'The Book of The LM Garratts' 020a.jpg Despite the myriads of pictures, this is the first time someone has picked up on this point. Maybe not easy to correct either? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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