Gilwell Park Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) Replica will sell you a reconditioned B1 chassis for £15, and a complete body and tender for another £15. You'll find them in the spares section of their website. Yes I know they will but it's already on it's second set of driving wheels and still has it's original, noisy, motor so basically I don't think it worth repairing. Besides I can use the body, tender & cylinders for a K1. Roger Edited December 6, 2011 by Gilwell Park Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted December 6, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2011 Yes I know they will but it's already on it's second set of driving wheels and still has it's original, noisy, motor so basically I don't think it worth repairing. Besides I can use the body, tender & cylinders for a K1. Roger Speaking of which, ages ago somebody on the old forum (I forget who, I'm afraid) posted a picture of a very nice Thompson O1 built using a Replica/Bachmann B1 body and a Hornby 8F chassis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 the face (smokebox door) of the Hornby looks a lot better to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted December 6, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2011 Speaking of which, ages ago somebody on the old forum (I forget who, I'm afraid) posted a picture of a very nice Thompson O1 built using a Replica/Bachmann B1 body and a Hornby 8F chassis. Presumably here, although it's a dead link at the moment:- http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6160 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Speaking of which, ages ago somebody on the old forum (I forget who, I'm afraid) posted a picture of a very nice Thompson O1 built using a Replica/Bachmann B1 body and a Hornby 8F chassis. That was me! Roger 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicky W Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 When someone finally gets their hands on a new Bachmann B1, could they possibly find out whether the chassis is a straight transplant into the older Bachmann, and more importantly, Replica bodies please? cheers, Peter C. Tony Wright has just reviewed both the new Bachmann models (or should that be chassis?) of the A4 and B1. While the A4 chassis fixings are different, the B1 retains the same single screw fixing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicky W Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Thought I'd post a couple more photos, since they're to hand.....! 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Fair do's very impressive -thanks for posting... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) Some of us had agreed to move on... but I wouldn't know a 4-VEP from an N15. And the A2 doesn't help your case. So let's do that. I think the folly of making an overall comparison of manufacturers on the basis of disparate individual models has been shown. Edited December 6, 2011 by Pennine MC 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluex5 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Hornby's attempt is certainly an ornate piece of moulding. However I notice the following - The wheelsets are of the same unsubstantial style which spoil Tornado and the 75XXX. The rear bufferbeam should be red, not black. The chimney is poor, and not for the first time from the big H. The valve gear is slightly superior to Bachmann's in that it has more detail (the funny rod thing behind the cylinders?). Cab interior detail is present and inclusion of cab doors, as is usual for a modern Hornby kettle. Flaman speedo bracket included, although I don't believe all the locos had them. The paint finish looks about on a par with Bachmann's 61180. In summary, very nice but I think I'll be sticking with the Bachmann version for my MPD layout, good enough for me and once you've bought 4 or 5 a fair saving over the big H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Hornby's attempt is certainly an ornate piece of moulding. However I notice the following - The wheelsets are of the same unsubstantial style which spoil Tornado and the 75XXX. The rear bufferbeam should be red, not black. The chimney is poor, and not for the first time from the big H. The valve gear is slightly superior to Bachmann's in that it has more detail (the funny rod thing behind the cylinders?). Cab interior detail is present and inclusion of cab doors, as is usual for a modern Hornby kettle. Flaman speedo bracket included, although I don't believe all the locos had them. The paint finish looks about on a par with Bachmann's 61180. In summary, very nice but I think I'll be sticking with the Bachmann version for my MPD layout, good enough for me and once you've bought 4 or 5 a fair saving over the big H. The funny rod thing behind the cylinders is the link to the cylinder drain cocks. Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mow Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) DCC - how easy are the chips installed or removed, and where is the fitting? Is there scope for fitting a speaker? What approach is used in coupling tender to loco? Edited December 6, 2011 by mow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 blux5s comment about the rear bufferbeam colour.......I'm sure it's just a case that it being the prototype model the production models will be painted red. That really is a beaut, the cab detail is lovely, but the extra detail on the tender interior does it for me. Gets me vote! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicky W Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Hornby's attempt is certainly an ornate piece of moulding. However I notice the following - The wheelsets are of the same unsubstantial style which spoil Tornado and the 75XXX. The rear bufferbeam should be red, not black. The chimney is poor, and not for the first time from the big H. The valve gear is slightly superior to Bachmann's in that it has more detail (the funny rod thing behind the cylinders?). Cab interior detail is present and inclusion of cab doors, as is usual for a modern Hornby kettle. Flaman speedo bracket included, although I don't believe all the locos had them. The paint finish looks about on a par with Bachmann's 61180. In summary, very nice but I think I'll be sticking with the Bachmann version for my MPD layout, good enough for me and once you've bought 4 or 5 a fair saving over the big H. Please bear in mind this is a pre-production model from the Hornby stand at Warley - there will be a number of errors that have not been corrected yet - including the rear bufferbeam! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluex5 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Please bear in mind this is a pre-production model from the Hornby stand at Warley - there will be a number of errors that have not been corrected yet - including the rear bufferbeam! Apologies, I thought it was a production model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Thanks Dicky for posting. The B1 does look pretty good. I like the attempt by Hornby to reproduce the large-boss bogie wheels instead of using their traditional fare, but a pity about the worn-to-minimum tyres! I won't mention the chimney again as I've already alluded to it either here or on the other B1 channel.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) Maybe I've missed the point, or am set in my ways, or something possibly heinous, but how is it that people will dismiss the Bachmann model in terms of detail but happily overlook a detail on the Hornby model which is, simply, wrong? I am happy to admit I'll be changing the chimney and dome on my Bachmann B1s, but I have as yet to see any comment from its detractors regarding the Hornby chimney, which purely and simply is wrong on this pre production model. I have scoured books, magazines and online resources and cannot find a match to the above. Is this an acceptable accuracy issue? I ask only because I am genuinely perplexed that the fidelity of the cab and tender detail seems more highly valued than that of the chimney - arguably that which cements the look of a model according to its prototype. I feel a little like anyone who has professed a preference for the Bachmann model has been talked down to regarding detail, and yet the chimney issue is not so bad on the Bachmann as on the Hornby. And, to give the third point of view - mountains out of molehills? Edited December 6, 2011 by S.A.C Martin 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Maybe I've missed the point, or am set in my ways, or something possibly heinous, but how is it that people will dismiss the Bachmann model in terms of detail but happily overlook a detail on the Hornby model which is, simply, wrong? I am happy to admit I'll be changing the chimney and dome on my Bachmann B1s, but I have as yet to see any comment from its detractors regarding the Hornby chimney, which purely and simply is wrong on this pre production model. I have scoured books, magazines and online resources and cannot find a match to the above. Is this an acceptable accuracy issue? I ask only because I am genuinely perplexed that the fidelity of the cab and tender detail seems more highly valued than that of the chimney - arguably that which cements the look of a model according to its prototype. I feel a little like anyone who has professed a preference for the Bachmann model has been talked down to regarding detail, and yet the chimney issue is not so bad on the Bachmann as on the Hornby. And, to give the third point of view - mountains out of molehills? Simon, Can you clarify what's wrong with the chimney? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) Simon, Can you clarify what's wrong with the chimney? Thanks Rim and lip. Look at the LNER encyclopaedia entry for some good shots. The Bachmann one is admitedly not perfect either but does a better job of portraying it. It feels like a proper whining moan here but it seems hypocritical to go on about better detail on a model yet ignore one particular important detail. Edited December 7, 2011 by S.A.C Martin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 And, to give the third point of view - mountains out of molehills? That's my view. We've heard the comment about the chimney. A few times now. The fact folk aren't getting bent out of shape* over the matter is surely a positive in what has been a bit of a disproportionately heated thread. (*pun not intended, but I'll take the credit) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 That's my view. We've heard the comment about the chimney. A few times now. The fact folk aren't getting bent out of shape* over the matter is surely a positive in what has been a bit of a disproportionately heated thread. (*pun not intended, but I'll take the credit) Fair enough Jamie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) I think that's the first representation of the funny rod thing I've ever seen. Can we make that its official designation on RMweb? "...disproportionately heated..." Sorry Jamie, you're too late - the Clan was two years ago! Dave. Edited December 6, 2011 by Max Stafford 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 A very nice looking model that... I can't make any constructive comments either way concerning the Hornby / Bachmann differences as I'm not up to scratch in that regard, but I do like the finesse of Hornby's mixed traffic lining in those photos above..... anyhoo, as if an excuse were needed, here be 61156 photographed at Rugby Shed of all places. No date I'm afraid but most likely sometime in 1962 as I have a colour shot of Stanier Pacific 46256 on the shed which I'm told was taken on the same day . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Lovely photo that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Chimney showing the pronounced lip.... Photo by R H G Simpson 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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