Guest Max Stafford Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Oh dear, it looks like there'll be a queue of locos waiting to go onto Canal...! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 May I enquire who told you, David? I was told by a nice lady on the Hornby stand at the Peterborough show that the D49 would be available this month but still no sign (a few days to go though). Regards, Brian. Cheltenham Model Centre and Hattons are the source but their only quoting the data they have from Hornby. I hope to get one or three soon after launch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Cheltenham Model Centre and Hattons are the source but their only quoting the data they have from Hornby. I hope to get one or three soon after launch. Well I have signed up to be notified from hattons so we will have to see. Did they mention the B17 David? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) After christmas - but they didn't say which christmas Edited November 26, 2011 by davidw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 After christmas - but they didn't say which christmas It is interesting how much long the B17 appeared before the B1, and B1 seems closer. Both certainly look like they are worth waiting for! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted November 30, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2011 Sorry to rain on people's parade, though it's probably better than building up their hopes falsely, but there's no mention of the B1 in Hornby's 'due in the next 30 days' page, and neither Cheltenham nor Hattons believe in their 5th December rumour enough to put it up on their websites. I'd say 'as you were, gents' and expect it in the new year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Sorry to rain on people's parade, though it's probably better than building up their hopes falsely, but there's no mention of the B1 in Hornby's 'due in the next 30 days' pagI, and neither Cheltenham nor Hattons believe in their 5th December rumour enough to put it up on their websites. I'd say 'as you were, gents' and expect it in the new year. Thanks Daddyman, at least we know, and like you say, stops hopes being raised too much. Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Sorry to rain on people's parade, though it's probably better than building up their hopes falsely, but there's no mention of the B1 in Hornby's 'due in the next 30 days' page, and neither Cheltenham nor Hattons believe in their 5th December rumour enough to put it up on their websites. I'd say 'as you were, gents' and expect it in the new year. I don't think that Hornby's webmaster keeps the site all that up to date. One of the items so-called due in the next 31 days is already available at Hattons (R3007X Weathered L1 DCC fitted). So, I live in hope that the proverbial slow boat from China will arrive sometime soon. Regards, Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted November 30, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2011 Yes, Brian, we live in hope - and I'll get my hat ready to eat in case I'm wrong and Cheltenham/Hattons are right! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Deliveries seem to work on an approximate monthly basis. The first Gresleys got to the shops about a fortnight ago so it's reasonable to suspect that another load (hopefully including the B1s) will arrive in the shops about mid-December. Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Deliveries seem to work on an approximate monthly basis. The first Gresleys got to the shops about a fortnight ago so it's reasonable to suspect that another load (hopefully including the B1s) will arrive in the shops about mid-December. Dave. Wise words spoken from a man of the Borders.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlink Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I hope we don't end going down the same road as the Bachmann A2's, they took two years before we saw them! I suppose whenever it's a model you really want they always seem to take forever to appear. silverlink Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Ah, don't worry SL, they'll get here soon enough. You know what they say; good things come to those who wait. I'm sure it won't be long at all. Dave. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 They can take forever for all I care. Hell will freeze over before I buy one for wasting yet another oppotunity for more classes. Wheres my B16 Mr Hornby? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlink Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Now that would be great, well remember these at Scarborough always in and out on the York trains. We had 61445 shedded here for years and never really bothered when it came past on a train. Another class that would have been worth doing is the K1 alas not to be. Still I'm sure the B1 will be most welcome on 'Haymarket Cross' silverlink Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted December 1, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) Am I right in thinking that we've only seen one fully dressed version of the three they are to produce? Isn't that a bad sign? Or is this normal? I might be mistaken but surely they would have finished samples of all three versions to show around if they were so close to production? Edited December 1, 2011 by Daddyman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) They can take forever for all I care. Hell will freeze over before I buy one for wasting yet another oppotunity for more classes. Wheres my B16 Mr Hornby? I'm honestly not sure you will see a B16 RTR, if you look at the wheelbase and how the con rod links to the front crank, any swing off the bogie is going to be severely restricted especially on B16 rebuilds. I've been told by a highly respected professional kit builder who is building me a B16/3, that below 36inch radii doesn't look a goer.... :I Edited December 1, 2011 by Tom F Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) I think it's really rather telling about priorities that the 2010 announcement, the B17s, have yet to appear, and the B1 (2011 announcement) is going to jump the queue (fear of the forthcoming, cheaper, Bachmann alternative...?) The Hornby model does look rather splendid the more I look at it, but I remain unconvinced this isn't going to go the way of the 4MT business... I'm honestly not sure you will see a B16 RTR, if you look at the wheelbase and how the con rod links to the front crank, any swing off the bogie is going to be severely restricted especially on B16 rebuilds. I've been told by a highly respected professional kit build who is making a B16/3 that below 36inch doesn't look a goer.... :/ You say that Tom, but everyone and their mother told me for years an RTR A2/3 which would go round second radius curves wasn't possible. Graeme managed it without much fuss. If you cut notches into the back of the cylinders - as Hornby do on most of their models anyway - and if they use a better swing link mechanism for the front bogie, I think a B16 should be more than possible. If Graeme can get a long wheelbase Thompson Pacific to go round second radius curves, a 4-6-0 in the vein of the Raven machine shouldn't be too difficult. Edited December 1, 2011 by S.A.C Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 If anyone still doubts what the plastic RTR manufactirers can do as regards getting their locos around toy-town curves, they only have to look at the Compound as produced by the NRM. On paper this beggar needs large radius curves. A B16 and Thompson Pacific with the bogie out front ahead of the cylinders are a doddle in comparison. I think we will see a B16 shortly, as they were one of those locos with character like the LNWR/LMS Super D. By the time of withdrawal they were the very last link with big pre-grouping designs (introduced in 1919), a thing that delighted those of us who made the pilgrimage to Leeds and York in the early 1960's. In those areas and Scarborough they were far more common than the B1. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted December 1, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) You say that Tom, but everyone and their mother told me for years an RTR A2/3 which would go round second radius curves wasn't possible. Graeme managed it without much fuss. People also said that an S&D 7F was not practical in RTR, and yet Bachmann managed it. Makes me wonder if the longer wheelbase types such as 72XXs are equally feasible with a bit of clever engineering. Edited December 1, 2011 by Barry Ten 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I don't think any locomotive class is necessarily impossible, it just depends on the compromises you have to take at the design stage, and to be frank, cutting the cylinders back is an acceptable compromise for me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted December 1, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2011 See my posting on Bachmann B1. Looks as if Barwell are about to upstage Ramsgate 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I thought that might happen. I'll have to have a good look at the Bachmann B1 to make a final decision, but if it turns out cheaper and runs well, I can live with its shortcomings aesthetically. Thanks for the heads up. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted December 1, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2011 I thought that might happen. I'll have to have a good look at the Bachmann B1 to make a final decision, but if it turns out cheaper and runs well, I can live with its shortcomings aesthetically. Thanks for the heads up. Wy not one or two of each? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Wy not one or two of each? Put simply - uniformity in the fleet! I deliberately didn't buy one of each of the Horn/Bach 4MTs as I was of the opinion they'd look odd next to each other. Of course, my father then bought a Hornby 4MT, and since then we've "debated" robustly which we think looks the better of our two. I still maintain the Bachmann model looks "more" (subjective) like a 4MT though accept the Hornby model is "finer" (subjective too). Since I'll need three or four of whichever brand for an accurate depiction of 37B/56C, the cost per unit is the most significant factor for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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