Steve Williams Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 First pic is San Padillo and the Duncan's Mine ones are actually Coyote Creek Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Sorry TT - wrong on the Coyote Creek ident, I'm afraid - See the photo of Steve operating it in Post #127 - that is "Duncans Mine" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Yes you are right, apologies. Was Duncan's mine a last minute replacement for you Jack, it's not on the layout list Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 A couple of random thoughts, please dont take them as criticism. I was surprised that the average age was so high, the attendees probably fitted the usual model railway age profile but I had mistakenly gained an impression that NA modellers were a bit younger, Well I probably hadn't got there then... .... For a really "grey" Exhibition you should try the Telford O Scale Guildex !!! I'm not sure quite how you would get the impression of a 'younger' average age for NA enthusiasts..? It's not very often that the builder shows his face even on threads on RMweb.... I was also surprised that there were so many small layouts. I knew most of them from RMWeb and so should have been able to anticipate the sizes, but obviously hadn't. I've come up with the theory that they were mostly (all?) one person layouts, whereas at a 'normal' exhibition there would be a proportion of larger club layouts. Pretty much due to the nature of the group, I'd say... more an informal gathering of like minds rather than a meeting of "Clubs"... I wonder in fact just how many Clubs have any members interested in US outline, and do they have a US outline layout..?? Not very many, possibly - hence a lack of 'club' layouts to invite in the first place. Having said that, not all the layouts were one person layouts, and there were even a couple of roundy-roundys this year..!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Hi guys, Looks like y'all had a great time and many thanks for posting all the photos (I 'like' them!). I'll consider the 15th June marked on the calender for next year but Mrs E. might have other (Greek!) ideas once more, ah well! Re: average ages, I actually always thought NA modellers tend to be an older set nowadays, todays younger modellers not having quite the drive abroad, for good mechanisms, that we older ones did!!! Of course, there is still so much variety with foreign railways......! Cheers, John E (from Greece!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Williams Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Yes you are right, apologies. Was Duncan's mine a last minute replacement for you Jack, it's not on the layout list Duly re-amended :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Williams Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 A few more: Newfield Yard - IHB: Lawley Street: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Well I probably hadn't got there then... .... For a really "grey" Exhibition you should try the Telford O Scale Guildex !!! I'm not sure quite how you would get the impression of a 'younger' average age for NA enthusiasts..? It's not very often that the builder shows his face even on threads on RMweb.... I think it's because the NA modellers here on RMWeb seem to have a more relaxed attitude or something (trying not not to offend everyone else!) and so seem younger to me. I've seen pics of the Freemo gang and they'll not be drawing their pensions for a while and others have mentioned having young children so perhaps that coloured my thinking. Mind you the RMWebbers are only a small proportion of the visitors anyway as they were all exhibiting or indisposed ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Williams Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Martins Mill: CTU - Spur: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnb Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 A really excellent day out. Many thanks to Dave for letting me play with the Dan Patch Line for most of the day!!! Nick and his supporting cast are to be congratulated for all their efforts which resulted in a very successful show. I must also gratefully thank Nick for collecting me from Lichfield T.V. station and to Ian for dropping me back. That trip was also a bargain at £10 return from Hertfordshire to Lichfield!! Trains on time too, Many thanks again john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Williams Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Last few: Dan Patch Line: HELM: Freemo (with Post-Apocalyptic Sky!): Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Steve - guessing from 500 miles away - Post #159 Coyote Canyon and post #161 Dan Patch line TT - Yes Steve very kindly filled in for my hole in the listing, and promptly sold it! Can I just add my thanks for all the photos - there some really good layouts on display, and I'm sorry to have missed viewing "up close and personal" and meeting you all - aiming at 15 June next Thanks again Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveB Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Here's a few pics of the Dan Patch Line, featuring Jordan's Progressive Rail locos, which he fitted with ditch lights, and sound. I'm glad he was able to pay a visit with his son after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Williams Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Steve - guessing from 500 miles away - Post #159 Coyote Canyon and post #161 Dan Patch line TT - Yes Steve very kindly filled in for my hole in the listing, and promptly sold it! Can I just add my thanks for all the photos - there some really good layouts on display, and I'm sorry to have missed viewing "up close and personal" and meeting you all - aiming at 15 June next Thanks again Jack Thanks Jack. Duly amended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Jun 15th eh? Perhaps Nick will let me bring Duncan's Mine II - The Sequel. steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UP844 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Post #159 "Coyote Canyon" is Martins Mill, the sole N scale layout (two layouts in one with the non-scenic section connecting them). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Here's a few pics of the Dan Patch Line, featuring Jordan's Progressive Rail locos, which he fitted with ditch lights, and sound. I'm glad he was able to pay a visit with his son after all. ... I really look like I'm enjoying myself, don't I..?? I should just clarify that only my SD's had sound, from Digitrax decoders. Unfortunately they also have metal 'plows which are quite close on rail clearance and kept shorting across Dave's track My SW1500's are both old Athearn Blue Box locos with TCS decoders. I'm amazed how different Jez's RailAmerica locos look in black'n'white - makes the livery look very different, somehow!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinw62 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Well what a top show!! This was my first visit to TVNAM and I was very impressed. There was a good balance of layouts and traders and I managed to find a few items that I "needed"! I thought the show was well organsied and very freindly too, it was nice to put a few faces to names and catch up with people too. Particularly Chris Gilbert who let me and my son oeprate CTU Spur which was very enjoyable. It is Chris who is to blame for luring me to this gathering of temptation that is "The Dark Side" after meeting him at Nottingham in March where he had CTU Spur on show. Whilst talking to Chris he said "why not build a layout for TVNAM next year?".............................watch this space Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northpoint Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 Whilst talking to Chris he said "why not build a layout for TVNAM next year?".............................watch this space You had better be quick - there's not a lot of space left! (and I'm not joking!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Williams Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Post #159 "Coyote Canyon" is Martins Mill, the sole N scale layout (two layouts in one with the non-scenic section connecting them). Thanks. Just had a look at the first photograph again and noticed it has the b***** name dangling from the building! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Some good photo's guy's,i've managed to get a few photo,s out of a really bad bunch. There was some nice layouts on show,and a good selection of traders,didn't manage to spend much,only dave from unit models managed to prise some money out of my pockets. As someone commented about there being a lot of small one man-band layouts,it would be nice to have a couple of big tail-chasers,but probabley the cost would be far to much,van hire etc. I was quite surprised when Nick told me how many he had through the doors,just over 200,which is about the same every year,it looked a lot busier than that!,which is a real shame after all the hard work that had been put in. Being a more specialist show it would be difficult to attract a bigger audience,maybe advertising locally would bring in a few families,i know the two youngsters who had a go running HELM really enjoyed the experience,going by the smiles on the faces. When you look around at any exhibition it's full of older/middle aged people,not many younger teenagers,personlly i think the hobbys slowly dying on it's feet,the kids are the future of the hobby we have to encourage them,get them interested young and we may get a few to carry on in to there teens, don't know where the hobby will be in ten years time??? Enough of my soap-box,it was nice to put a few names to a few faces,and hope to bump into you all again,maybe at TVNAM next year who knows?? sorry again guy's about the photo's,a lesson learnt!! Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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298 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Some good photo's guy's,i've managed to get a few photo,s out of a really bad bunch. There was some nice layouts on show,and a good selection of traders,didn't manage to spend much,only dave from unit models managed to prise some money out of my pockets. As someone commented about there being a lot of small one man-band layouts,it would be nice to have a couple of big tail-chasers,but probabley the cost would be far to much,van hire etc. I was quite surprised when Nick told me how many he had through the doors,just over 200,which is about the same every year,it looked a lot busier than that!,which is a real shame after all the hard work that had been put in. Being a more specialist show it would be difficult to attract a bigger audience,maybe advertising locally would bring in a few families,i know the two youngsters who had a go running HELM really enjoyed the experience,going by the smiles on the faces. When you look around at any exhibition it's full of older/middle aged people,not many younger teenagers,personlly i think the hobbys slowly dying on it's feet,the kids are the future of the hobby we have to encourage them,get them interested young and we may get a few to carry on in to there teens, don't know where the hobby will be in ten years time??? Thanks for posting the photos, Ray. I think the reason why the show looked busy was because punters stayed a long time, perhaps they should be charged by the hour instead of a flat entrance fee..!! Without going too off-topic but to answer the points you're raised from my own personal point of view, TVNAM did start as a group of individuals bringing their layouts together to present a specalised show, which means you're especially tied to the old Exhibition Managers conundrum of only being able to invite what is available. After a quick ponder, I doubt I could name any local layouts that could be classed as large roundy-roundys or club projects that involve more than one person, most DarkSide modellers I know seem to either build small but well presented portable shelf layouts or use more space at home for a permanent layout that'll never see a public exhibition. But don't forget the Freemo setup, I'm not sure what the total length was but it certainly looked longer than any layout I've seen at a recent show. Regarding the age issue, don't worry about it...!! I'm no spring chicken, but have 25 years to go until I reach the average member age of a certain North American inspired International society, and they too seem to think attracting kids is the future...! I'm not discounting any interest (I did spend alot of time switching a nice layout at TVNAM that was built by a 15 year old), but it's almost like they're forgetting the generations inbetween who actually have a small amount of time, space and disposable income to indulge their hobbies, instead of compromising what we do to produce glorified Thomas or Chuggington trainsets. North American modelling has the largest worldwide support and all of these models already in existance aren't going to dissappear overnight, and for as long as B&Q keep selling processed trees, I've got enough layout ideas and materials to last a good lifetime. If anything I'm looking forward to a downturn so I can collect some nice Suydam Brass Interurban cars at realistic prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 A couple of random thoughts, please dont take them as criticism. I was surprised that the average age was so high, the attendees probably fitted the usual model railway age profile but I had mistakenly gained an impression that NA modellers were a bit younger, I was also surprised that there were so many small layouts. I knew most of them from RMWeb and so should have been able to anticipate the sizes, but obviously hadn't. I've come up with the theory that they were mostly (all?) one person layouts, whereas at a 'normal' exhibition there would be a proportion of larger club layouts. Andy My thoughts where not a critictism of the show,i was just echoing Talltim comments, i thought it was a good exhibition, very friendly and well run. Personally i prefer small layouts,put it's nice now and then to see some of those big long trains(which most of us dream of running but never will) go rolling by. I think the freemo is possibly the way to go,but not for me there's not enough people in my area to make it viable,and the nearest NMRA meet is a 2 hour drive,which make it a waste of time being a member,think the small independent modeller is the way to go,which is one of the main reasons i wanted to take HELM to TVNAM. As for age non of us are getting any younger,and in ten or so years time most of us will be that grey hair person walking round the exhibition,with maybe a few a little bit younger following a long behind,but if we don't encourage the kids now there will be no one to carry it on!!!. Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Personal opinion? I was hearing this same thing when I was a kid into model railways a couple of decades back! I actually recall folk in tweed jackets talking to me with a straight face and telling me there were no kids into this (greater) hobby any more and that the hobby would be dead within a decade...instead it's got unprecedented major trade support and is better than ever - go figure! I think there's lots of kids into model railways as a whole, the show I was at this weekend had plenty around who were connected with the local club, one young lad (maybe 20) was exhibiting his first layout under construction - but there's not ever likely to be lots of kids in our little niche of the hobby - the greater hobby should obviously encourage them and importantly, work on converting it from a toy to an adult hobby - but from our niche's point of view I think we should be encouraging existing modellers of all ages to look at what US has to offer. Our niche had an easy couple of decades where there was a simple and compelling reason to model US stuff - because Athearn diesels were both cheaper and much more rewarding than messing about with all that Lima tat - I know loads of folk that got into it under that premise but stayed when they got an appreciation for real US railroads - but that easy path no longer follows as much stuff for the domestic market is comparably good. We should now be plugging the US niche on where it's strong: 1. interesting, varied, colourful prototypes which are more accessible than ever (even vicariously via the internet) 2. a great support market 3. potential for more fun ways of running it (operations) 4. for us Brits especially the ability to put 'small', 'modern', 'credible' and 'interesting operations' together which is not easy to do for UK prototype modellers! I think converting kids is harder, they will have less exposure to the real thing...you'll get those who are exposed to it via family members or clubs, but it's a harder sell. Get them into what they know, then show them how much more fun it is running a branchline terminus with a GP38-2 over a 142. Just a personal opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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