RMweb Premium M.I.B Posted March 13, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2013 If you look earlier in the post this is covered - there won't be a GWR "ready" one so you'll have to buy the "fitted" one and take the chip out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecheesemiester Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 thats a shame, is it a 21 pin loco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Bachmann don't operate the same way as Hornby when it comes to DCC Fitted/Ready. The black versions are available DDC ready and the green version is DDC fitted only. I don't know how or why they choose which example to make DDC fitted. If you look earlier in the post this is covered - there won't be a GWR "ready" one so you'll have to buy the "fitted" one and take the chip out. I made the following observation some time back:I formed the impression that Bachmann had indicated that this decoder would sense the supply and operate happily on either DC or DCC stimulus. Many models offered in the US (even with sound) operate this way.Does anyone recall hearing/seeing anything similar - that this is a dual-mode decoder, equally happy on DC or DCC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) I made the following observation some time back:Does anyone recall hearing/seeing anything similar - that this is a dual-mode decoder, equally happy on DC or DCC? Most decoders are happy on clean DC (no feedback, no HF track cleaners), but Bachmann US does sell stock with 'dual-mode' decoders in them. I've never determined whether this is just marketing-speak for a normal decoder (with the 'operate on DC' bit set) or whether there is some extra circuitry. There will be an extra GWR Dukedog available as I cancelled my pre-order on seeing Bachmann's livery choice. Adrian Edited March 14, 2013 by Adrian Wintle 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) ... Bachmann US does sell stock with 'dual-mode' decoders in them. I've never determined whether this is just marketing-speak for a normal decoder (with the 'operate on DC' bit set) or whether there is some extra circuitry.Adrian, thanks. Broadway Limited is big on dual-mode decoders - in their case with sound. Nothing happens from 0 - ~5V. Then at around 5V the sound comes on and around ~7V the locomotive starts to move. I had formed the impression that in those cases there was extra circuitry. For non-sound DCC, I frankly don't know whether there is a material distinction or just marketing. I had formed the impression that there are some DCC decoder chips that don't seem to like DC irrespective of whether they are supposed to. Edited March 13, 2013 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG 7305 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) Dear Bachmann I note that the painted sample of the GWR Dukedog (3203) is shown as brunswick green, carrying the 1942-1947 G W R and running number 3203. Earlier reports gave it carrying the 1932-1942 roundel, brunswick green and running number 3203. The painted sample would have existed for a very short time indeed, if at all. GWR locomotives other than castles and kings were painted black during the war and the Dukedogs were renumbered in 1946 to the 90xx series to make way for the last Collett 0-6-0 locomotives which you also model. So the painted sample shows a condition which could only have existed for about a year, late '45 to mid '46 (I do not have my RCTS book to hand for the exact renumbering date of 3203) and this only if the locomotive was repainted in that time. Please release the model as originally indicated, brunswick green, 32-42 roundel and running number 3203. Nameplates optional so long as they can be removed without damaging the model; they were carried for less than a year from building. This is another but more amusing story. Best regards Edited March 14, 2013 by MG 7305 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 It's undeniably pretty, but I too strongly doubt whether any Dukedogs would have appeared looking like that after WWII. Having been outshopped only in 1936, my guess is that most of them continued on in an increasingly grimy state throughout the war, and the first proper repaint would have been into BR(W) black. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) Hi Am i right in thinking that Bachmann are only doing a the black preserved one and a black weathered one (Hate factory weathering) ,No black BR one?. Darren Edited March 19, 2013 by darren01 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium M.I.B Posted March 19, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 19, 2013 The preserved one is the black one, is a BR one. One and the same. There's no BR green one, or GW black one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Mawer Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 I totally agree with MG 7305. Bachmann please take note!!! What a squandered opportunity! Even if the loco did appear in this livery (doubtful) it would have been for such a short time! I don't understand why you would go to great levels of accuracy with the mouldings etc. and then do that? I pre-ordered mine straight after the initial announcement, but I'm sorry I will cancel if this is not changed. I won't run it in highly suspicious or very short-lived livery. Nor will I pay £110 or so and then respray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 I totally agree with MG 7305. Bachmann please take note!!! What a squandered opportunity! Even if the loco did appear in this livery (doubtful) it would have been for such a short time! I don't understand why you would go to great levels of accuracy with the mouldings etc. and then do that? I pre-ordered mine straight after the initial announcement, but I'm sorry I will cancel if this is not changed. I won't run it in highly suspicious or very short-lived livery. Nor will I pay £110 or so and then respray. Hi There is a photo in J H Russell's book, also used in the Observer's book, of 3216 in shiny green with GWR on the tender. 3216 was renumbered to 9016 in August 1946, 3203 in July 1946. Roger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted March 23, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2013 Think I will wait until there is a less controversial in terms of number, livery etc.model released. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted March 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2013 So that's one loco in post war GWR livery matching the model, and you'd presume that Bachmann had a photo they have worked from for the loco they've released. Would be interested to hear of any more locos matching the livery. In particular the 3 (9011/18/23) which according to the data on Railuk were shedded in Swindon at nationalisation. Really don't want to have to start removing my preferred logo to add a shirtbutton! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted March 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2013 I think Bachmann are copying Hornby's trick of releasing a model where renumbering/name is a pain.Hornbys proposed 'Wellington' Castle with Hawksworth tender springs to mind.You talking months in a livery combination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 There is a photo in J H Russell's book, also used in the Observer's book, of 3216 in shiny green with GWR on the tender. With a parallel chimney? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted March 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) Came across this. 3210 in 1943. Is that any help? http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrsa1495.htm Edit: Ah, probably not as in theory that would be GWR black. Edited March 23, 2013 by Mikkel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Came across this. 3210 in 1943. Is that any help? Interesting photo, the paint on the tender looks much fresher than the engine and looks more likely to be green than black. Presumably it is one of the small number of exceptions to the black wartime livery? btw. one error in the caption: ...later renumbered by British Railways as No 9010. It was, of course, renumbered in August 1946. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Mawer Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 At best it's a very short time period. I believe the photo is a hand painted version. There is therefore time for Bachmann to change it for the production model. I urge people to email Bachmann. Surely the choice should be number and livery both post 1946 (but the BR examples have 9000 numbers), or have both as pre 1945. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium M.I.B Posted March 23, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2013 Looks like I am the only one pleased with the choice of tender branding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 With a parallel chimney? Yes, with a parallel chimney. Also a 3500g tender, parallel buffers on loco, tapered on tender. Roger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Looks like I am the only one pleased with the choice of tender branding. I agree, it is a much better livery than the horrible shirt button. Roger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted March 23, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) I agree, it is a much better livery than the horrible shirt button. Roger. Unless you are modelling the 30's in which case the shirtbutton is a must !!! Edited March 23, 2013 by Neal Ball 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Mawer Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Ha! I'm not so bothered whether it is post 46 or pre 45. It just annoys me that it could well be accurate for just 1 year or be completely fictitious. It's personal choice whether you prefer GWR or shirtbutton. I prefer the latter, but that's not the point here. If they want to do it GWR why not use the 9000 number sequence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2013 Another topic of conversation with Bachmann today - they have the tapered chimney dimension but are having difficulty finding suitable loco pictures but it seems they would like to do a pre-war version (or at least their design chap does!). Looks like a few nudges and lots of photo references might be needed. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Mawer Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Mike, this sounds like a very useful chat. So you didn't get any impression that there was going to be any change of plan on the GW version livery? Also, apart from livery and numbering what are the other differences between the model and a pre-war version? What is this about chimneys? Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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