sandwich station Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I agree.... The locomotive body is a plastic kit, made over the years by a few companies, Kitmaster, Airfix, and presently by Dapol. (A pity the modeller didn't use the kit tender top as well...) Given the transfers, it is possible that this was a Dapol kit, as they have produced various names/numbers, etc. Kitmaster and Airfix only supplied Biggin Hill... The locomotive chassis, complete with motor, driving wheels, rods, cylinders, front bogie and rear trailing truck is from a Tri-ang Railways R.50 "Princess Victoria", and dates from 1961 or 1962 (The distinctive driving wheels were only used on these models.) So, the wheels are all wrong, even given that the driving wheels are the solid sintered iron type, but with spokes! (Bulleid-Stanier Type? ) The simplified rods, without the valve gear, are also typical, R.50. A bit like a Bulleid...but the slide bars and cross head are wrong... The tender is also from a Tri-ang Railways "Princess", most probably from the same locomotive. Pure Stanier, but painted green! At least someone has tried a bit of modelling! The photos have a legal background as well... A few years ago I picked up cheap, an old princess chassis and tender frame fitted with an Airfix Evening Star loco body and tender top. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) I would think that the piston rods (and the valve rods) were polished by repeatedly rubbing in and out of the packing glands? The slide bars would tend to be polished by the crosshead running back and forth? Mainly though, these areas would be kept clean as any charr or other particles would act as grinding paste, increasing wear, exactly where it was not desirable...(The same goes with the hydraulic rams on modern earth moving, etc. machinery. These are also usually gleamingly clean...) The coupling, connecting, and other, rods were usually wiped over with an oily rag (At least that was how I was taught while an apprentice loco cleaner at Bridgnorth!). The standard cleaning potion being a secret mixture of Steam Oil and Paraffin, applied with cotton waste (or more recently by an amazing selection of "rags"! ). It was intended as a joke - obviously it failed! - The point being that this obvious fact is almost always missed by the weathering 'experts'. The rods were sometimes clean, but as often as not, black like everything else - it probably depended on the individual depot. I've never been able to replicate the oily sheen of cleaned rods though. Edited October 6, 2014 by Il Grifone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercity 125 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I think this Lima 08 in GNER has to win most overpriced loco - ever! Keep away from the Buy It Now button!!! http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/371148975625?nav=SEARCH IC125 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted October 6, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 6, 2014 I think this Lima 08 in GNER has to win most overpriced loco - ever! Keep away from the Buy It Now button!!! http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/371148975625?nav=SEARCH IC125 It looks like a decimal point in the wrong place going by his other prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 6, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 6, 2014 It looks like a decimal point in the wrong place going by his other prices. What? You mean it's actually £78,000 Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 7, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2014 What? You mean it's actually £78,000 Keith More like £7.80, oops sorry, meant to type £0.78.......... Cheers, Mick 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercity 125 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 At least the postage is free! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haslam999 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Here's an interesting diorama..... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Scrapyard-00-GAUGE-inter-city-125-diesel-and-coach-heavily-rusted-and-weathered-/301340585422?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item46294c6dce So, bearing in mind this livery was being phased out in the 1980s, when the HSTs were barely 10 years old, I guess this scene depicts a typical HST in the early to mid 1980s? Personally, I can't recall seeing withdrawn HST cars hanging round Donny works with the Deltics.... P.S. The listing power car looks like it has flat tyres on the front bogie (well, I guess it could be possible?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2014 Here's an interesting diorama..... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Scrapyard-00-GAUGE-inter-city-125-diesel-and-coach-heavily-rusted-and-weathered-/301340585422?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item46294c6dce So, bearing in mind this livery was being phased out in the 1980s, when the HSTs were barely 10 years old, I guess this scene depicts a typical HST in the early to mid 1980s? Personally, I can't recall seeing withdrawn HST cars hanging round Donny works with the Deltics.... P.S. The listing power car looks like it has flat tyres on the front bogie (well, I guess it could be possible?) 43001 got cut up around 1990 but I don't think that even got into the standard blue/grey livery. The next to go was 43173 after Southall in 1997. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted October 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2014 This bloke seems to 'scrap' anything he gets his hands on. One would assume that there must be a market....quite why I don't know.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted October 8, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2014 This bloke seems to 'scrap' anything he gets his hands on. One would assume that there must be a market....quite why I don't know.... Whats next from GBL? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted October 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2014 'In good weathered condition' 'Possibly London Midlands Scottish Region' That'll be 0 for 2 as they say in baseball parlance http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-OO-Gauge-Model-Railways-Weathered-Suburban-Passenger-Coach-/221569966976?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item3396996380 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted October 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2014 'In good weathered condition' 'Possibly London Midlands Scottish Region' That'll be 0 for 2 as they say in baseball parlance http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-OO-Gauge-Model-Railways-Weathered-Suburban-Passenger-Coach-/221569966976?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item3396996380 And it's not 'Suburban' either. 0 for 3 then! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Whats next from GBL? Actually, after the current HST power car (The coach used scraped is probably a Hornby short one?), there is a GWR 2-6-2 T Prairie Tank Loco, Slope top tanks version, the basis of which appears to hail from Italia! So, look out for scraped Tank Locos next week! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 'In good weathered condition' 'Possibly London Midlands Scottish Region' That'll be 0 for 2 as they say in baseball parlance http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-OO-Gauge-Model-Railways-Weathered-Suburban-Passenger-Coach-/221569966976?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item3396996380 That'll be the "its red/ maroon, therefore its LMS" school of thought then! Possibly is stated though! It is "Possibly" as used in an outer suburban train on the Eastern Region, as old, cascaded main line stock? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) And it's not 'Suburban' either. 0 for 3 then! Nor "good" nor "weathered" (more like tarred! badly!) either. That's 0 for 5. It might (just) have been worth the £2.99 if it had been left alone. Edited October 8, 2014 by Il Grifone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) Actually, after the current HST power car (The coach used scraped is probably a Hornby short one?), there is a GWR 2-6-2 T Prairie Tank Loco, Slope top tanks version, the basis of which appears to hail from Italia! So, look out for scraped Tank Locos next week! It's either a short one or a long one with a bit chopped out of the middle and the ends joined together with what looks like duct tape. Memo - removing the window strip does not look like a scrapped real coach, it just proves it's a damaged model. Plus the seagulls have been busy again. Can't wait for the 4575s (Not really just joking! ) EDIT. It might just be worth the fiver for the underframe and bogies of the Hornby power car - maybe...... Edited October 8, 2014 by Il Grifone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 This bloke seems to 'scrap' anything he gets his hands on. One would assume that there must be a market....quite why I don't know.... Maybe Gosturde is buying them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimHearne Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Hi, Is the person referred to as "Gosturde" the same as the ebay seller gostude ? If so can somebody enlighten me to the reason for the insulting name ? I bought half a dozen Bachmann wagons from him on Ebay, arriving tomorrow hopefully, before i came across the end of this thread. Thanks, Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250BOB Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 9 days passed now since the guy paid............still no contact from him as to collecting the items.??????????? Quick update............Still nothing...!!! This guy paid £226 on the 25th Sept for an item "collection only"............its now the 8th Oct.......heard absolutely nothing from him..........bizarre..?? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) Hi, Is the person referred to as "Gosturde" the same as the ebay seller gostude ? If so can somebody enlighten me to the reason for the insulting name ?.... The over-the-odds prices. The wilful misdescription of RTR items as "kitbuilt". Sometimes both in the same model, such as this unholy mess here - just look at the optimistic price! Greg Diffen is his real name, and he has a sizeable collection of Studebaker cars, quite probably part-funded/maintained by sales of said overpriced models. Quick update............Still nothing...!!! This guy paid £226 on the 25th Sept for an item "collection only"............its now the 8th Oct.......heard absolutely nothing from him..........bizarre..?? Do keep us posted. Sounds to me like he's using you as a convenient storage place! Edited October 8, 2014 by Horsetan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 The over-the-odds prices. The wilful misdescription of RTR items as "kitbuilt". Sometimes both in the same model, such as this unholy mess here - just look at the optimistic price! Greg Diffen is his real name, and he has a sizeable collection of Studebaker cars, quite probably part-funded/maintained by sales of said overpriced models. Do keep us posted. Sounds to me like he's using you as a convenient storage place! There's hope for me yet in kit building,after seeing this one. LOL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) The over-the-odds prices. The wilful misdescription of RTR items as "kitbuilt". Sometimes both in the same model, such as this unholy mess here - just look at the optimistic price! Greg Diffen is his real name, and he has a sizeable collection of Studebaker cars, quite probably part-funded/maintained by sales of said overpriced models. That one is really only fit for the bin (you might be able to salvage a few parts, but........) Shift the decimal point one place to the right and it would still be too much! (IMHO) EDIT That's left of course! (oops!) Edited October 9, 2014 by Il Grifone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelpara Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 That one is really only fit for the bin (you might be able to salvage a few parts, but........) Shift the decimal point one place to the right and it would still be too much! (IMHO) But but but its MINT and in a box! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimHearne Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) Ah, I see your point now after looking at that auction. I will let you know what state my New MIB Bachmann wagons from him are in when they arrive. The prices seemed reasonable, £10.50 to £11.50 for discontinued part numbers, free postage. Jim Hmm, reply quoting original post doesn't seem to work for me. Edited October 9, 2014 by JimHearne 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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