Kirkby Luneside (Original): End of the line....

[Physicsman]

Yeah, the chimney pots; they're turning out to be quite controversial and getting a fair bit of discussion. One of the 'problems' with going that extra mile with these layouts is that we need to consider these things that don't usually seem so important. Thing is, it adds to the challenge and the fun (if you can call it that) of layout building.

 

I was chatting to the bloke who runs Ten Commandments at the St Albans exhibition about chimney pots and his suggestion was to get some plastic piping and cut it to length, because 'nobody will even notice the chimney pots'. How wrong he was

 

The Harburn Hobbies ones would just look wrong on your layout; looks like it's DAS o'clock for you mate

 

Couldn't agree more about the detailing. It's a challenge, but it's what turns the whole thing from a model into something approaching the real thing. Takes up time but, so what - when the trains are running, what's to stop you getting on with additional details?

 

And yes, Jason, it looks like me and DAS are going to become intimately acquainted! Never used the stuff. That'll have to change!

 

Jeff

[tender]

 

And a general request - if anybody has already come up with their own stone-walling method - would you care to share it on here?

 

Jeff

Hi Jeff.

I cant claim any originality of this, but Trains12 of these parts introduced me to this process of making stone walling.

 

First make a master from a plaster material (Daz), take a latex moulding, then cast as many resin duplicates as you require.

 

Here's a picture of a raw casting.

 

And here being used on our shunting layout AVAGO.

 

Hope this is of some use.

Ray

 

PS we saw some complete casting kits at Worley, will try and dig out the info if your interested.

Edited January 15, 2013 by tender

[Physicsman]

Thanks Ray. This is the kind of thing I'm looking for - I'm going to need several metres of walling, so some kind of casting method would speed things up and stop me going insane.

 

I'm certainly very interested if you come across the casting kit info!

 

Many thanks,

 

Jeff

[Andrew P]

Hi Jeff, one of our O Gauge club members has made a small tool for making cobbles in DAS, I was wondering if you could do something similar, i.e place the DAS into a wall shape over the scenery contor, and then use the tool to mark in the side stones and do a similar thing for the top capping stones. You can then form the wall over the contors and mark in the stones to your hearts content, but do it before it goes off, which is normally an hour or so, so you could do say a yard at a time.

 

Hope this is of some help.

Tired Old Lune.

 

P.S. I am traking my Flip Flop up to Georges and if I can get a Wi Fi signal I will continue to post on here and T but if there is NO SIGNAL then I will have TEN PAGES to catch up on next Sunday night. hahahha

[Physicsman]

Thanks Andy. Just in case you can't get a signal, I'll make it 20 pages!

 

Btw, I should have got some track bus work done by the end of the weekend - even if it's going to be bl**dy cold in the bunker. If I manage that, I'll post some photos.

 

Have fun with George!

 

Jeff

[Jason T]

The main reason that I took my iPad to Spain was so that I could keep on top of this thread

 

I wonder if you could mould the walls in something malleable so that you could form it level and then glue it at whatever angle you wish, whilst still keeping it looking real?

A mate of mine at school learned how to lay dry stone walls (whilst we were still at school, for fun; he was and still is a strange lad) and the work that goes into them is phenomenal. Most of the walling around Storth (where I hail from) is of the dry stone nature and the variations in colours is far greater than you would expect. It is a limestone area, but the stone is a mixture of greys and browns.

 

You will have seen Storth without realising it Jeff, as you come down the Lindale Bypass, it is on the other side if the estuary - the huge quarry you can see.

[Physicsman]

The main reason that I took my iPad to Spain was so that I could keep on top of this thread

 

I wonder if you could mould the walls in something malleable so that you could form it level and then glue it at whatever angle you wish, whilst still keeping it looking real?

A mate of mine at school learned how to lay dry stone walls (whilst we were still at school, for fun; he was and still is a strange lad) and the work that goes into them is phenomenal. Most of the walling around Storth (where I hail from) is of the dry stone nature and the variations in colours is far greater than you would expect. It is a limestone area, but the stone is a mixture of greys and browns.

 

You will have seen Storth without realising it Jeff, as you come down the Lindale Bypass, it is on the other side if the estuary - the huge quarry you can see.

 

Yes, I have noticed that - didn't know it was Storth, though.

 

I'm just about to read the article in the Feb RM - about using DAS to make stone-walling. Just glanced at it so far, but the photos look very realistic. I'll come up with something, and if I have to spend hours building "bespoke" walling, so be it. It has to look RIGHT - the same philosophy you have with Bacup.

 

Btw, if you have a look back at those black-and-white pics I posted on page 126 or 127, look at the ballasting. It's hardly deep, is it? This encourages me to use your Copydex or PVA first method. We'll see.

 

I'm expecting delivery of the bas wire on Thursday. If I get the heaters on I can manage 2-3 hours a day in the bunker and get some locos running.... yippee!!

 

Jeff

Edited January 15, 2013 by Physicsman

[P.C.M]

Hi Jeff,

The stone walls on Llanbourne are made from DAS. Cardboard from cereal packets forms a basic frame then cover a small area with PVA and push on the DAS. I normally do about two foot then mark in the stone with a cocktail stick. DAS takes a while to dry so you can mark in the stonework hours later if you get bored and want to go and lay some more track.

 

Cheers Peter.

[Physicsman]

Hi Jeff,

The stone walls on Llanbourne are made from DAS. Cardboard from cereal packets forms a basic frame then cover a small area with PVA and push on the DAS. I normally do about two foot then mark in the stone with a cocktail stick. DAS takes a while to dry so you can mark in the stonework hours later if you get bored and want to go and lay some more track.

 

Cheers Peter.

 

Thanks Peter. This is the kind of thing I like to hear! Anything simple, effective and that looks good suits me fine.

 

Btw, seems like you've no regrets about going DCC!

 

Cheers,

 

Jeff

[P.C.M]

Thanks Peter. This is the kind of thing I like to hear! Anything simple, effective and that looks good suits me fine.

 

Btw, seems like you've no regrets about going DCC!

 

Cheers,

 

Jeff

No worries Jeff,

It would be even more effective if I took more time marking in the stonework. lol

 

I am going alright with the DCC only problem so far is I need to sort out the best decoder for my Hornby 101s as they didn't like the gaugemaster ones.

 

Cheers Peter.

[Physicsman]

No worries Jeff,

It would be even more effective if I took more time marking in the stonework. lol

 

I am going alright with the DCC only problem so far is I need to sort out the best decoder for my Hornby 101s as they didn't like the gaugemaster ones.

 

Cheers Peter.

 

Funny thing, decoders. Aside from one Hornby pre-fit, and 4-5 Bachmann pre-fits, I've used all Lenz. Excellent performance with both 8 and 21 pin chips. They can be a bit large for fitting into some steamers though.

 

As far as stonework.... I'll try a few things, unless I'm lucky enough to hit upon a winning formula first time, which is very unlikely! The task is a fair way off yet, but it pays to advance plan.

 

Llanbourne's looking very good - I posted a comment last week. Maybe if it cools down a bit you can get in your shed! -4C in my garden at the moment.

 

Cheers,

 

Jeff

Edited January 16, 2013 by Physicsman

[Allegheny1600]

Hi Jeff,

A good mate of mine who has built a layout based in Cumbria used an "interesting" method for producing stone walling!

He made a thin pouring of plaster (c. 2mm thick) in a plastic tray, when dry he then broke it up and used the resulting "stones" to create his walling . . . . . . . but he admits it was a bit tiresome!!!

He also only had about ten feet to do!

However, I wonder if you did produce some sort of casting, maybe this method could be used for the top stones only?

Cheers,

Deutsche Lunster,

John E.

 

PS Yes, ICE & Steam will run together on mine, why not!?!

 

PS2 He used PVA to cement the stones together!

Edited January 16, 2013 by Allegheny1600

[Physicsman]

Index update:

 

I've gone through the Index and added a few more items, notably the train allocation info. that a couple of people have provided.

 

I've only got to page 100 so far. If anybody spots any loco listings I've missed out, will you let me know?

 

I've added this stuff as I think it's an integral part of getting the model right and it's frustrating searching page after page for it!!!...

 

Jeff

Edited January 16, 2013 by Physicsman

[Physicsman]

John: re. post 3189 - many thanks.

 

I like the idea of building the walls block by block. Having spent dozens of hours cutting out thousands of cork brick to build a retaining wall (pic below) - only to scrap it, I can manage the task if the result looks ok.

 

 

Jeff

[uax6]

The black and white pics are from August 1966. These are as scanned, so probably capable of a bit of improvement...

 

Another trackside feature some of the pics show is the height of signal wire run, perhaps to keep it above normal snow levels?

 

Dave

 

Dave, those are not high wire runs.... The HR had runs above rolling stock height, but you are right that they are to avoid snow...

 

 

Andy G

[uax6]

Thanks Ray. This is the kind of thing I'm looking for - I'm going to need several metres of walling, so some kind of casting method would speed things up and stop me going insane.

 

I'm certainly very interested if you come across the casting kit info!

 

Many thanks,

 

Jeff

 

Not wishing to sound like a pain in the arse, and you can always apply rule no1 anyway, but, you need to find out what type of walling is the vanacular (Andy P's dodhy spelling alert!). I would say that the master above is not the type that I would expect to see in Dent. Sadly getting it right will make the difference to some (and you) but will not be noticed by most....

 

Andy G

[uax6]

Index update:

 

I've gone through the Index and added a few more items, notably the train allocation info. that a couple of people have provided.

 

I've only got to page 100 so far. If anybody spots any loco listings I've missed out, will you let me know?

 

I've added this stuff as I think it's an integral part of getting the model right and it's frustrating searching page after page for it!!!...

 

Jeff

 

Jeff, while I was going through my folders of scans on the puter, I found a couple of articles on train formations, which list the formations of various expresses etc. Did I sand a copy to you? If not i will send it. Also 'The Midland Railway North of Leeds'  gives listing of train make ups right through the S&C period, even upto 1966. Do you want me to copy them out for you?

 

Sadly it looks like you are going to have to get some sleepers for your trains.... Both Mk1 and the previous LMS 68' 12 wheel type. Will we get you soldiering up etched kits too??

 

Andy G

[Physicsman]

Jeff, while I was going through my folders of scans on the puter, I found a couple of articles on train formations, which list the formations of various expresses etc. Did I sand a copy to you? If not i will send it. Also 'The Midland Railway North of Leeds'  gives listing of train make ups right through the S&C period, even upto 1966. Do you want me to copy them out for you?

 

Sadly it looks like you are going to have to get some sleepers for your trains.... Both Mk1 and the previous LMS 68' 12 wheel type. Will we get you soldiering up etched kits too??

 

Andy G

 

Afternoon Andy.

 

You didn't send the info on train formations. All that info would be helpful, if only to nudge me in the direction of authenticity.

 

Too many other things to do to get involved in the etched kits. I'll leave them to the experts! 

 

Track bus wire is due tomorrow, so it'll be "heaters on and get a bit of work done". Who knows, I may have a loco cruising up and down the fiddle yard this time tomorrow...

 

Jeff

[uax6]

Jeff,

 

I'll send them across tomorrow then!

 

When you have finished the main building of the railway in about 2 years time (Is that all? Seems a short run for building to me!) you'll be knocking around wondering what to do with yourself, and then you will think 'Ah, I need to get my stock looking more authentic, all these Mk 1 sleepers just don't look right, where are those brass kits?'

 

;-}

 

Andy

 

Ps Compo sleeper is just waiting for buffers and transfers now! Then onto MR coaches for a bit. Not sure if I should start a blog on the construction of a MR 12wheel clipper sided diner or not. I've not done one before, and will probably have to make most of it (including bogies). What do you lot think?

 

Andy g

[Physicsman]

Not wishing to sound like a pain in the arse, and you can always apply rule no1 anyway, but, you need to find out what type of walling is the vanacular (Andy P's dodhy spelling alert!). I would say that the master above is not the type that I would expect to see in Dent. Sadly getting it right will make the difference to some (and you) but will not be noticed by most....

 

Andy G

 

You are actually correct about the walling, Andy. I've been looking at a "few" S&C photos and books over the last couple of days and it looks like I'll have to build the walls layer by layer, using slabs of DAS or filler - most likely the clay. Photos in the Feb RM - you mentioned this last week, so I bought a copy - confirm the layering. It's ok - so what if it takes me a hundred hours? I spent more working time than that on the viaducts...

 

 

 

Jeff,

 

I'll send them across tomorrow then!

 

When you have finished the main building of the railway in about 2 years time (Is that all? Seems a short run for building to me!) you'll be knocking around wondering what to do with yourself, and then you will think 'Ah, I need to get my stock looking more authentic, all these Mk 1 sleepers just don't look right, where are those brass kits?'

 

You are right again - 2 years is my estimate for the major stuff. Detailing and refinement can go on forever. Andy P will have me into O gauge by then!

 

Jeff

 

ps. Andy - YES, start a blog. you'll get so much worthwhile input from those who read it.

Edited January 16, 2013 by Physicsman

[uax6]

Well S&T have just visited to try and sort out the wicket gates (the level has gone hernia stiff!) and I had my drawings for the MR diner on the table, and one went ont about the model railway he is making at home, listing off the Metcalf, Peco and Ratio kits he had bought and was going to use....while I was glazing over I was thinking that the idea of using off the shelf kits for structures just dosn't quite do it for me anymore. Don't get me wrong, I will use them if I can, (The previous layout had the Airfix MR siggybox at every station, and we were in Scotland!!) and the Metcalf Station kit looks magnificent, and I wouldn't mind having one.

The way he described it it seemed a bit toy like, compared with the realism that seems to be where we are heading here....

 

Anyway, I like the look of those dry stone walls in the RM, sadly I won't have to use them.

 

With regard to the coach, where would be the best forum to put it? scratchbuilt, lms coaches or S&C?

 

Andy G

[Physicsman]

Since there's already a "Special Interest" section on LMS Coaches, I think you'd get the most useful interactions there. I just had a glance at the content - very specialised, probably just what you need. If it doesn't work out, you can always get one of the Mods to shift your thread.

 

As recently as last summer I was convinced I'd be using RTP material or kits. Not  chance now - get the plans/drawings, work out a strategy - and scratchbuild!

 

Jeff

[67A]

Thanks.  I do not know the area but that is what I assumed.  I remember a video on youtube, which I thought was 1963 but I have just found it and it is 1955, a goods train getting stuck on Bleath Gill in the snow.

 

I'll post it here

 

Now would that make a nice diorama?

Hi Chris,

 

Sorry, 1st chance I have had to see this film, takes me back to when men were men and sheep were worried - brilliant! thanks.

Mike

[Physicsman]

Hi Chris,

 

Sorry, 1st chance I have had to see this film, takes me back to when men were men and sheep were worried - brilliant! thanks.

Mike

 

Hi Mike,

 

I quoted this very thing the other day in relation to the same video (post 3167) - "Olddudders", member living in Le Mans, has it written in his signature. Do you know where it came from? (if not, does anyone??)

 

Jeff

[67A]

Hi jeff and all,

 

Its a bit too cold to go out to my temporary den and put the heating on for an hour before its safe to enter so I thought i would catch up with KL......

 

re: stone walling. I recently got a mixed selection of 60 - YES SIXTY - different bits on ebay for under £10 inc P&P. I am going to need yards of the stuff for Dent and I am contemplating a mould and casting them in resin with little less hardner to give a bit of flexibility to form them around the scenery curvatures. its a long way off yet but its an idea.

 

Cheers

Mike