Pennine MC Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Interesting comment. Personally I think ??150 is too expensive for a loco that does not have DCC fitted as standard. And a basic-but-adequate chip is what, just under a tenner? That's a pretty fine value judgement to make on a model as offbeat as this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted December 20, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2009 Apologies if this has already been said. The NRM commissioned Bachmann to make CoT, much like anyone who commissions a third party, the use and the copyright remains with the originator, not the manufacturer so any further use of the moulds is down to the NRM and not Bachmann, therefore it's extremely unlikely this will ever become a normal production model (I guess the NRM could donate the moulds to Bachmann but I also guessed I'd won the lottery last night - I was wrong about the lottery). I think, for the quality of the model and the amount of work, that the price is very reasonable - I wish the NRM could commission a 175 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98087 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Interesting comment. Personally I think ??150 is too expensive for a loco that does not have DCC fitted as standard. If you consider that a large amount of CoT will end up in display cases, why bother fitting a chip? So long as the loco has a DCC socket its fine for collectors and allows the DCC iser to install their own preference of chip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 If you consider that a large amount of CoT will end up in display cases, why bother fitting a chip? So long as the loco has a DCC socket its fine for collectors and allows the DCC iser to install their own preference of chip Has anyone fitted a SWD 2-cylinder GWR chip yet...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted December 23, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 23, 2009 I rang the NRM earlier this week to check on availability, and the nice lady said that they had over 1000 still in stock, so I think I will wait until after Christmas. I meant to ask whether the price will increase in the New Year (apart from the VAT, of course), but forgot!... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preservation Modeller Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 That's AMAZING! I'm happy now knowing there's a C.O.T on the market. I'll try and get a cheap one some day to replace my bad unfinished Dapol model... I must say it looks very realistic! The openiong smokebox door is nice too! if only more models did that- a work's based layout would look great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 The NRM commissioned Bachmann to make CoT, much like anyone who commissions a third party, the use and the copyright remains with the originator, not the manufacturer so any further use of the moulds is down to the NRM and not Bachmann, therefore it's extremely unlikely this will ever become a normal production model Not necessarily true. The ownership of the IPR will have been stated in the contract, it does not automatically belong to either party. For example, Bachmann might agree to do the production at a lower cost of they gain ownership of the IPR after a specified period of time. Alternatively they might gain ownership with the proviso that they do not release any models of CoT but can do other class members. A good example would be Ixion Manor which has been produced by Dapol. Part of the work included the production of a 3500 gallon Churchward tender drive. I do not know the details of the arrangement between Ixion and Dapol but I would hazard a guess that Dapol have the rights to the tender drive since they are planning to release a 38xx with the same tender drive. This would not be possible if Ixion automatically owned the copyright. My guess is that Dapol gave Ixion a discount on the production of the Manor in reutn for the right to use the tender drive behind other locos. Please note that I am not saying any of the above actually happened. I am just pointing out that the IPR is a commodity like any other and the ownership will be specified in the contract and related to the price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3737 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 My City of Truro arrived sound and safe today, after having been in a warehouse in Holland since Friday, delivery probably delayed due to the snow. It's a beautiful model and it has been worth the wait and the money, and I'm also happy to support the NRM, having had free access on the several occasions when I visited York. I am looking forward to the next NRM release, maybe the Stirling Single or the MR compound. Leen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vc-10 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 There's nothing preventing Bachmann from negotiating with NRM in a couple of years over the tooling- If they see a market and are prepared to pay the NRM enough then they could buy the tooling/rights to use the tooling. Same goes for the Deltic. I can see more future in the C.O.T tooling than the Deltic though, as the Deltic was a one off! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 My CoT arrived at 16.30 on Christmas Eve, and went under the tree. I have had time to open it, detail it (except for the plates) today. The coupler box had to go, surprisingly the second one in the detail pack is identical, I had thought it might be without the box. The model is superb, after running in it was quite happy on 8 coaches of Bachmann/Hornby/mainline origin. It looks superb at the head of it's "special" of Bachy choc/cream Mk1s! Yes it was expensive, especially after shipping to Oz, but it immediately rekindles memories of seeing the real thing at Birmingham Moor st. in 1960?? with Caley 123. If only Hornby's Caley were this good! Glad to support the NRM, had my free entry with 45568jnr last October, no idea what will be next, I would prefer the Director to be a mainstream model, I need a couple! Cheers, Peter C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackthorn Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Maybe I'm being thick, but how did other overseas members aquire their models? I went to the NRM shop but got the message that they don't ship outside the UK (including the Channel Islands!) It really does look like a nice model. Mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdaysydney Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Maybe I'm being thick, but how did other overseas members aquire their models? I went to the NRM shop but got the message that they don't ship outside the UK (including the Channel Islands!) It really does look like a nice model. Mark. Hi Mark, The NRM have made arrangements for non UK residents to purchase the model; you just can't do it online. However, don't ring the number on the website as you will be told to ring the retail department. The direct number for international orders is 01904685730. Ring after 10am UK time, if you want to talk to a real person - if you ring earlier and leave a message they will call you back. Postage is not cheap but you get a deduction for VAT. My model arrived on Xmas eve after I placed an order on Dec 17. Beautiful model and IMHO worth every penny Seasons greetings to all Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted December 26, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2009 If anyone is looking to convert to the more accurate gauges, I've now had mine dismantled and there is plenty of room. Have to remove the break gear (which will need slimming down before it will fit), driving wheels are on 3mm axles, so the 22 spoke GW wheels with outside cranks from Ultrascale will definitely do the job (hopefully Gibson will have something suitable as well). Tender wheels could be a bit more of a problem, having 27mm long stub axles, and the lack of sides to the tender chassis means something like the Masokits sub chassis would be too visible. At the moment my thinking is towards fitting a set of brass bearings into the existing holes so that hopefully a 26mm pinpoint axle will fit ok... Bogie wheels are very easy, 2mm axles held in place by the keeper plate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackthorn Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Hi Mark, The NRM have made arrangements for non UK residents to purchase the model; you just can't do it online. However, don't ring the number on the website as you will be told to ring the retail department. The direct number for international orders is 01904685730. Ring after 10am UK time, if you want to talk to a real person - if you ring earlier and leave a message they will call you back. Postage is not cheap but you get a deduction for VAT. My model arrived on Xmas eve after I placed an order on Dec 17. Beautiful model and IMHO worth every penny Seasons greetings to all Dave Many, many thanks for that, Dave. I'll try and give them a call early Monday morning. I really shouldn't be spending $300+ so soon after Christmas, but............... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy M Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 If anyone is looking to convert to the more accurate gauges, I've now had mine dismantled and there is plenty of room. Have to remove the break gear (which will need slimming down before it will fit), driving wheels are on 3mm axles, so the 22 spoke GW wheels with outside cranks from Ultrascale will definitely do the job (hopefully Gibson will have something suitable as well). Tender wheels could be a bit more of a problem, having 27mm long stub axles, and the lack of sides to the tender chassis means something like the Masokits sub chassis would be too visible. At the moment my thinking is towards fitting a set of brass bearings into the existing holes so that hopefully a 26mm pinpoint axle will fit ok... Bogie wheels are very easy, 2mm axles held in place by the keeper plate Nice one Rich........................keep us posted if you are to be the first one 'ouf of the traps'! Regards, Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted December 27, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2009 Nice one Rich........................keep us posted if you are to be the first one 'ouf of the traps'! Regards, Andy. Will hopefully get some more done soon, though I suspect its going to take me forever to get the wheels painted once they arrive. Think ready painted steam wheels would be a good idea for Gibson........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Thanks Rich, Any chance of some pics of the chassis and the tender underside? Am I correct in thinking this is tender drive and if so is it a motorised tender (ie self contained power unit) or a shaft to the loco? Are the loco driving wheels geared together or rely on the rods to keep them in synch ? Cheers Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted December 27, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2009 Thanks Rich, Any chance of some pics of the chassis and the tender underside? Am I correct in thinking this is tender drive and if so is it a motorised tender (ie self contained power unit) or a shaft to the loco? Are the loco driving wheels geared together or rely on the rods to keep them in synch ? Cheers Tony Its loco drive with gearing on both wheels. there are some photos showing the underside a couple of pages back, will end up taking some of mine once I start dismantling it which will show it a bit clearer, but I dont want to start doing that until I have the wheels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold LH&JC Posted December 27, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2009 Just a word of warning, on mine one of the pins holding the con rods has decided to leave the loco and has gone missing! Having paid ??150 for it I am left rather irritated by the problem. I shall contact Bachmann when they re-open (Tuesday?) and see what to do next. At least it is nothing terminal like the motor giving up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chameleon Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Are the outside cranks metal or plastic? Plastic one have always given problems on models I have had in the past. Though I suppose with twin gear driven axles I don't suppose there will be too much strain on the cranks themselves. Still swithering over getting one of these or Tornado. Spose that could wait til Glasgow in feb where I might get a deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold LH&JC Posted December 27, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2009 I've been able to find the pin but it still doesn't feel secure in the plastic crank I'm considering gluing but I'll probably do more harm than good. Update Its going back. The pin dropped out again and has once again gone missing. Although I've pointed this out in my previous post but for ??150 you wouldn't expect parts to fall off it! So I'm non too pleased. But A new one will probably be an improvement as the quartering was off slightly. grrrrrrrrrrrr. Never mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chameleon Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 If the quartering was slightly off then that's probably what worked the pin out. As the wheels are both geared then there really shouldn't be any strain on the cranks, pins n rods at all. Roco did a class 2095 narrow gauge diesel with outside cranks and very few stayed attached or at least with a full set. Plastic cranks and quartering to power wheels is always a very bad idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted December 27, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2009 Think ready painted steam wheels would be a good idea for Gibson........ Are the original driving wheels also lined, Rich? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted December 27, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2009 Are the original driving wheels also lined, Rich? No lining on the model's wheels, thankfully looking at a couple of photos of the prototype the wheels are so weathered that you can barely see the colour (which if I can find some more photos showing the same sort of colour (dirty brown) then modelling aught to be a lot quicker as there will be no need to buy red paint for them!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stock_2007 Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Hi can anyone tell me if you can get a kit for the type of mail coach stock that the City of Truro would have worked 1905/10ish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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