Things which annoy you with modelling

[michaelp]

Poor quality control.

Heljan.....I am also talking about you!

[Mick Bonwick]

Realising that I've just spent an hour's worth of modelling time aimlessly wandering around RMweb.

[40034_Nick]

Olivia Trains... 

[John M Upton]

Manufacturers releasing one particular variation on a model once and then that part never being seen ever again.  Hornby this time, the M7 has only been released with round splashers just the once which has made renumbering and bashing this variant very tricky.  Only by chance have I managed to find the odd demic wreck with those illusive parts on them over the years.

 

Meanwhile every single new release are all long frame push pulls.  Got a large Really Useful Box full of those in various states of disrepair!!

[Torper]

I like the one step forward that I sometimes take in my modelling.  It's the two steps back that really annoy me.

 

DT

[40034_Nick]

The misses keeping on asking me when i am gonna stop buying trains.. 

Edited September 29, 2017 by 40034_Nick

[The Johnster]

Having to wait for pension day to buy stuff I need NOW!!!!

[Northmoor]

At the risk of resurrecting this old chestnut thread, I would just like to point something out to people who model the modern railway.  Modern retarding bufferstops that slide along the rails to slow a train to a stop do not get fitted at the end of the sidings they are fitted some 30/40/50 feet from the siding end and not all secondary sidings are so fitted either, Network rail still fit traditional bufferstops on non passenger lines.

There are a lot of glaring errors on modern layouts, often ones on the exhibition circuit.

 

The errors can usually be attributed to the builder being very interested in locos but having observed almost nothing else about the railway and its surroundings.

Edited September 29, 2017 by Northmoor

[DCB]

Its locomotives and tenders being modelled separately which annoy me. Everything else to the nearest half millimetre and the tender an extra scale foot and a half behind the loco and a couple or six scale inches higher/ lower where the steps and footplate align or don't align, arrrggh RTR is bad but on a hand built model unforgivable

Edited September 30, 2017 by DavidCBroad

[bike2steam]

Not enough bloody hours in a day/ days in a week, must get off the bloody computer, and do more modelling,

[newbryford]

There are a lot of glaring errors on modern layouts, often ones on the exhibition circuit.

 

The errors can usually be attributed to the builder being very interested in locos but having observed almost nothing else about the railway and its surroundings.

 

It's not just modern layouts that have glaring errors.

[Guest]

Reading a thread started by a RMWeb newbie to showcase his first-ever layout build. These posts are usually self-deprecating, and apologise for the builder's perceived lack of skills etc. I should make it clear that it's not these threads which annoy me... it's the almost guaranteed reply, usually within the first page, that tells him he's doing it all wrong...

Constructive criticism, by all means... that's how we learn, but a thoughtless, offhand reply can often seriously dent confidence. Some folk need to learn a little bit of tact and remember that they, once upon a time, knew very little as well.

[bike2steam]

Constructive criticism, by all means... that's how we learn, but a thoughtless, offhand reply can often seriously dent confidence. Some folk need to learn a little bit of tact and remember that they, once upon a time, knew very little as well.

A few years ago when I took up this caring, working with my dear wife looking after severely disabled youngsters ( physically, and mentally) I had to do a training course on understanding certain mental disorders. When it came to attention, no guessing which hobby came near top of the list, and I must admit I do worry on some things I read, and do have to 'bite my lip', on rare occasions not always successful. 

Edited September 30, 2017 by bike2steam

[25901]

Any loco's in BR blue with 2 red tail lights on at the same time, (Yes Mr Bachmann, you are wrong)

[jcm@gwr]

A few years ago when I took up this caring, working with my dear wife looking after severely disabled youngsters ( physically, and mentally) I had to do a training course on understanding certain mental disorders. When it came to attention, no guessing which hobby came near top of the list, and I must admit I do worry on some things I read, and do have to 'bite my lip', on rare occasions not always successful. 

 

I have to agree, in our MRC we have 1 Autistic lad (mid twenties) and a few (of varying ages)

who are definitely on the Aspergers scale, from mild to full on.

I also know a few other modellers/enthusiasts with the same condition, depending on the level,

and how well you know them, they can be hard work, even making the usual allowances for

their situation.

BTW, 2 of them are good friends of mine, and they're still hard work!

[The Johnster]

Any loco's in BR blue with 2 red tail lights on at the same time, (Yes Mr Bachmann, you are wrong)

 

Any loco in any livery with this.

[The Johnster]

Autism and Asperger's seem to be associated with railways in general in a way I don't fully understand, possibly a combination of the obsession with numbers and that railways are a 'safe', predictable environment with their own rules, norms, set practices, and traditions which are easy to understand and deal with as opposed to the unpredictable and scary world over the ticket barrier. Sounds, experiences, sensory input, are more controlled and understood on railways than outside them.  

 

I have recently come out of a relationship with an Aspie squeeze, who was, more correctly is, in many ways a very lovely girl and whose condition I found myself able to cope with; sadly she is also an inveterate stoner which I ultimately couldn't!  She will always be a friend.  Incidentally she has a railway obsession, 1938 London Transport Tube stock.

 

But, even though I thought I was able to cope, and arguably mostly could, she would always blind side me with some literal and completely logical interpretation of something, or a perspective that would, or could, never occur to me.  And she was and will always be potentially challenging in a social environment; anger and frustration will always be major drivers of Aspie behaviour.  Aspie/Autistic club members are not always going to be easy to cope with, and will constantly challenge you in ways you never thought of, but their loyalty, moral integrity, and honesty is absolute, unstinting, and unconditional; by and large I'd say they're worth the effort, though it isn't a guaranteed easy ride and there is no book of instructions!

Edited September 30, 2017 by The Johnster

[newbryford]

Any loco's in BR blue with 2 red tail lights on at the same time, (Yes Mr Bachmann, you are wrong)

 

Any loco in any livery with this.

 

Not quite any loco in any livery.....

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/106910975@N06/27753526664/in/photolist-TPW5pr-VTQKhb-U842H9-Vde7LZ-U7snEn-GC6VqV-THjZ4c-UX5mAG-Wc3rr1-UvhZJj-UKUYUy-TvenGc-UUaXN8-VMGk99-UAhVmk-USa3i4-Utampw-V6uXtN-UL3UrE-UPcHtG-Ts7QNi-UzYGZE-TAf4Bc-VfK7tD-Vshwkc-Ub7QAn-oeKxHL-Jhu5yq-U4wSFu-TKg1fX-Vkpt22-H5umLm-UqocMB-VmZAr7-HhWbXG-VxhTkf-VYrX1M-UKR13U-GCoiqp-G8eG2i-GZnN6y-TTjVPs-UwjsDW-GC7VPE-UPuncA-WLpCRj-UYXuEt-K4N183-LAFbNj-UzqnEN

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/john_ray/14540794129/in/photolist-o9Vnv4-oN4bbd-yg8uJr-pXco5W-q7pvLc-qA32sW-osFfRm-ohy38X-poseLm-nayx92-DgAbJY-rsi2FY-B9U1MT-5N32ux-nayRZB-mSGUap-G2JR43-ykhWFW-VKYEai-iSATLe-pBn3Ud-o2cAfb-AcnwZM-B9KPVE-bJErGi-pdJM6w-Ud5CMh-a3cTEx-azpvFT-MtnD9S-a3cSKx-Z1YqVP-nr7yNd-nHsa7M-nQMgPA-iSDEw5-EPSY5E-mSGUG6-p1GNuN-h4AGr1-nsmGQ1-ntcWgi-h4At2Y-h4AEdJ-poNCFQ-o46TDR-zNCYAE-r3AZ19-oMRdqj-FjYaJT

 

Cheers,

Mick

Edited September 30, 2017 by newbryford

[Andrew F]

There's also photographs of loco's and first generation dmu's in the 80's with both tail lamps on. 

[Guest]

Any loco in any livery with this.

 

Not quite any loco in any livery.....

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/106910975@N06/27753526664/in/photolist-TPW5pr-VTQKhb-U842H9-Vde7LZ-U7snEn-GC6VqV-THjZ4c-UX5mAG-Wc3rr1-UvhZJj-UKUYUy-TvenGc-UUaXN8-VMGk99-UAhVmk-USa3i4-Utampw-V6uXtN-UL3UrE-UPcHtG-Ts7QNi-UzYGZE-TAf4Bc-VfK7tD-Vshwkc-Ub7QAn-oeKxHL-Jhu5yq-U4wSFu-TKg1fX-Vkpt22-H5umLm-UqocMB-VmZAr7-HhWbXG-VxhTkf-VYrX1M-UKR13U-GCoiqp-G8eG2i-GZnN6y-TTjVPs-UwjsDW-GC7VPE-UPuncA-WLpCRj-UYXuEt-K4N183-LAFbNj-UzqnEN

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/john_ray/14540794129/in/photolist-o9Vnv4-oN4bbd-yg8uJr-pXco5W-q7pvLc-qA32sW-osFfRm-ohy38X-poseLm-nayx92-DgAbJY-rsi2FY-B9U1MT-5N32ux-nayRZB-mSGUap-G2JR43-ykhWFW-VKYEai-iSATLe-pBn3Ud-o2cAfb-AcnwZM-B9KPVE-bJErGi-pdJM6w-Ud5CMh-a3cTEx-azpvFT-MtnD9S-a3cSKx-Z1YqVP-nr7yNd-nHsa7M-nQMgPA-iSDEw5-EPSY5E-mSGUG6-p1GNuN-h4AGr1-nsmGQ1-ntcWgi-h4At2Y-h4AEdJ-poNCFQ-o46TDR-zNCYAE-r3AZ19-oMRdqj-FjYaJT

 

Cheers,

Mick

 

I think The Johnster can be forgiven, Mick, on the grounds that your Flickr examples look more like overgrown kitchen appliances than locos...

Hat etc...

[Jol Wilkinson]

Autism and Asperger's seem to be associated with railways in general in a way I don't fully understand, possibly a combination of the obsession with numbers and that railways are a 'safe', predictable environment with their own rules, norms, set practices, and traditions which are easy to understand and deal with as opposed to the unpredictable and scary world over the ticket barrier. Sounds, experiences, sensory input, are more controlled and understood on railways than outside them.  

 

I have recently come out of a relationship with an Aspie squeeze, who was, more correctly is, in many ways a very lovely girl and whose condition I found myself able to cope with; sadly she is also an inveterate stoner which I ultimately couldn't!  She will always be a friend.  Incidentally she has a railway obsession, 1938 London Transport Tube stock.

 

But, even though I thought I was able to cope, and arguably mostly could, she would always blind side me with some literal and completely logical interpretation of something, or a perspective that would, or could, never occur to me.  And she was and will always be potentially challenging in a social environment; anger and frustration will always be major drivers of Aspie behaviour.  Aspie/Autistic club members are not always going to be easy to cope with, and will constantly challenge you in ways you never thought of, but their loyalty, moral integrity, and honesty is absolute, unstinting, and unconditional; by and large I'd say they're worth the effort, though it isn't a guaranteed easy ride and there is no book of instructions!

Could it also be that railway modelling can be, like some other hobbies, a solitary activity without the need for social contact with others? If people with Autism and Asperger have difficulty in relating to and being with others in a group environment, then they are possibly drawn to modelling (of any discipline) as a satisfying, solitary activity.

 

When an individual with ASD gets involved in a group situation it can be very disruptive and damaging to the group's cohesion. At what point should the group's "health" take precedence over the individual's? 

[Mick Bonwick]

Some folk need to learn a little bit of tact and remember that they, once upon a time, knew very little as well.

 

Past tense?

[47164]

Lack of 4mm power bogies such as the black beetle type for loco and emu kits.

[N15class]

The number of things that we keep hearing the RTR industry has not produced and should because one person wants it. I thought this was a thread about modelling niggles.

[The Johnster]

Could it also be that railway modelling can be, like some other hobbies, a solitary activity without the need for social contact with others? If people with Autism and Asperger have difficulty in relating to and being with others in a group environment, then they are possibly drawn to modelling (of any discipline) as a satisfying, solitary activity.

 

When an individual with ASD gets involved in a group situation it can be very disruptive and damaging to the group's cohesion. At what point should the group's "health" take precedence over the individual's? 

 

 

I think that, in practice 'on the ground', how a club situation is able to deal with someone with such issues, and vice versa, is very much down to the indivdual club and aspie involved.  An aspie in full meltdown mode, toys thrown out of the pram in anger and frustration and unable to communicate his/her distress adequately, is a pretty scary prospect, especially in an environment with delicate models in the firing line!.  If the triggers are recognisable by both sides, this scenario can usually be avoided, but it is not reasonable to expect everybody to be able to cope with the aspie's problems and overreaction will offend and make things  worse.  If you can develop a system that can cope, fine, but sometimes it will have to be regrettably accepted that the group dynamic takes precedence over the individual.

 

Most folk are in general tolerant and able to cope to an extent, but each of us has our own limits and triggers; it is probably worse when someone who has to deal with this sort of issue in their private or professional life is expected to be the go to expert when they are at the club and 'off duty'.  

 

Very difficult to suggest guidelines or good practice in these sort of cases.  In another one of my lives I am in a community band, and we have had to ask a person with a particular type of behaviour not to attend after trying our best; it is not a good situation to be in and nobody comes out of it smelling of roses!

Could it also be that railway modelling can be, like some other hobbies, a solitary activity without the need for social contact with others? If people with Autism and Asperger have difficulty in relating to and being with others in a group environment, then they are possibly drawn to modelling (of any discipline) as a satisfying, solitary activity.

 

When an individual with ASD gets involved in a group situation it can be very disruptive and damaging to the group's cohesion. At what point should the group's "health" take precedence over the individual's? 

 

 

I think that, in practice 'on the ground', how a club situation is able to deal with someone with such issues, and vice versa, is very much down to the indivdual club and aspie involved.  An aspie in full meltdown mode, toys thrown out of the pram in anger and frustration and unable to communicate his/her distress adequately, is a pretty scary prospect, especially in an environment with delicate models in the firing line!.  If the triggers are recognisable by both sides, this scenario can usually be avoided, but it is not reasonable to expect everybody to be able to cope with the aspie's problems and overreaction will offend and make things  worse.  If you can develop a system that can cope, fine, but sometimes it will have to be regrettably accepted that the group dynamic takes precedence over the individual.

 

Most folk are in general tolerant and able to cope to an extent, but each of us has our own limits and triggers; it is probably worse when someone who has to deal with this sort of issue in their private or professional life is expected to be the go to expert when they are at the club and 'off duty'.  

 

Very difficult to suggest guidelines or good practice in these sort of cases.  In another one of my lives I am in a community band, and we have had to ask a person with a particular type of behaviour not to attend after trying our best; it is not a good situation to be in and nobody comes out of it smelling of roses!