bridgiesimon Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Interesting seeing that MPV project, would like to see a finished one. I think once this train arrives in the UK and is photographed more, there will be enough for me to go on to have a stab at it. David Are you going to be at TINGS? I am one of the people test building one, will be bringing it along on Sunday. I am bulding the log carrying units. Best wishes Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted August 21, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 21, 2013 I should have the S&T single MPV on the DEMU stand as well (hopefully with a print of a P&T GPC72 crane). Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 21, 2013 Author Share Posted August 21, 2013 Excellent, look forward to seeing them. I'll be on stand 46 all weekend with all my different designs David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted August 21, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 21, 2013 Hi David Will you have any prints available to buy there and then with decals etc? I understand that we might have to source our own wheels and bogies...! cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 21, 2013 Author Share Posted August 21, 2013 Hi Ben, no prints on sale, basically showcasing the designs to see what interest there is and canvassing orders. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d9002 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Interest ? From what I can see on here, you'll be absolutely inundated ! Keep up the excellent work Arthur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted August 22, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2013 I cant make TINGS this year but would love to see all these units in the flesh.. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgiesimon Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 David, that sounds awesome, I will add you to my 'DO NOT MISS' list for the day!! Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibuchan Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) Crane ordered. Can't wait! Just got to try and find the wheels I need! Do you ave any instructions on how to put the crane together? Alistair Edited August 23, 2013 by alibuchan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 Thanks Alistair! Be careful with the piston arm pieces, they're quite fiddly and brittle. Painting them with superglue seems to strengthen them before construction. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty11 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) Hi David! Will the Pendolino be part of the modern image models range? Only it looks very nice and am sure it will sell well! Also a suggestion for you, could you do a 57/3 with correct dellner coupling unlike the current Grafar one? Edited August 24, 2013 by Swifty11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty11 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 That looks superb. I wonder if I can find an excuse to run one of set on Banbury with a VirginThunderbird on the front! Theyve sent the pretendolino through Banbury with 57315 and 57308 TnT along with a 15 car voyager. Think a pendolino has made it there once? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=10303.0 and http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=434.0 has a thread including scratch building a Dellner for 57315 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) The 390 will be upgraded and released next year. It will be extremely expensive unfortunately due to the minimum 9 car length. The Farish 57s are being released with the delner couplings and other minor tooling upgrades too. Hopefully this includes NEM couplings David Edited August 24, 2013 by bmthtrains - David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty11 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=10303.0 and http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=434.0 has a thread including scratch building a Dellner for 57315 Thanks very much, I'm a bit of a 57 boffin so it would have to be correct. Not a bad job done at all The 390 will be upgraded and released next year. It will be extremely expensive unfortunately due to the minimum 9 car length. The Farish 57s are being released with the delner couplings and other minor tooling upgrades too. Hopefully this includes NEM couplings David How expensive? As in £200+? You could release it as a 4 car then you buy extra coaches? Like Hornby do? Give them a standard cass coach (not named) and a pantograph coach, they buy which named coach they want?Thanks for the heads up on the 57/3 *considers N gauge layout* Edited August 24, 2013 by Swifty11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 Probably closer to £300 looking at the printing costs. I'd only be making it because I want one myself, I doubt it would have many other buyers, but I'd certainly make it available for anyone else who wants one, though probably at zero profit margin as even adding a 10% markup would make it far too expensive. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty11 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Probably closer to £300 looking at the printing costs. I'd only be making it because I want one myself, I doubt it would have many other buyers, but I'd certainly make it available for anyone else who wants one, though probably at zero profit margin as even adding a 10% markup would make it far too expensive. David Eeeeek! Is this a ready built model painted and motorised or just the bare essentials?Surely shape ways would do you a multi buy discount? Or at least some movement on price? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 No, that's the material cost. I don't produce RTR models, just the 3D printed bodyshells. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Hi David, What about an APT? I would imagine it would be popular with N-gaugers. Best regards, Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNCF stephen Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Probably closer to £300 looking at the printing costs. I'd only be making it because I want one myself, I doubt it would have many other buyers, but I'd certainly make it available for anyone else who wants one, though probably at zero profit margin as even adding a 10% markup would make it far too expensive. David Perhaps one way around this would be to offer shorter rakes for some buyers. Rather than offering it as a fixed rake perhaps it could be made available on a vehicle by vehicle basis so buyers can build up their rake gradually (which would make sense as it will take some people some time to make each vehicle up). Also, with Virgin looking to procure some Mini Pendolinos in the future for some of their services then, assuming the design is the same, you could do a 5 car set rake which presumably would make it a lot more affordable? When I was looking at 3D printing for some of my fleet I was told that resin casting is a cheaper way to mass produce some items that are expensive to print up. Personally I did not find it a viable option due to the constraints of the model I wanted to produce but it might be an option on a model like this which is bound to be popular! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty11 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 No, that's the material cost. I don't produce RTR models, just the 3D printed bodyshells. David £300!!! Just for the bodyshells? How can it be that much?? Surely it can't cost that much... Why don't you send Dave a message and find out who he uses for his models to be cast? Could be cheaper? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) That's how much it costs I'm afraid. 3D printing isn't a magic modelling panacea - it is an expensive process that can produce extremely detailed models of prototypes that are uneconomic to offer in mass production. Dapol might have had to invest about £100,000 to design and tool a 390, so you'd have to sell a heck of a lot to cover the cost, and a RTR version would probably have cost about £220 going on the prices of HST sets. Lets go on a 50% markup, and they'd have to sell 900 units just to break even...no wonder they dropped plans for it. So to make the unit yourself, £300 for the bodyshells is £30 for each car, and given how challenging it would be to construct by hand, 3D printing offers a way to own a train you can't buy. The economics are very different to mass-production, and at the moment at least, it will remain a niche market. I really want a 390, hence I've designed and printed one. There won't be that many people who will want one enough to pay for it, and don't forget that cost is just the printing cost and doesn't include any profit margin to cover the time and effort out into it. Of course you could get the master print cast in resin for example, but a) you'd lose a lot of surface detail, and b ) you are only doing so to mass-produce an item that doesn't warrant it. Thus you might as well just leave it at the 3D printed stage you started with. Some things will always remain expensive, and a Pendolino (or APT) in N gauge, however you produce it, if you want it to look good, is one of those things. The market is simply too small for either a RTR or mass-produced kit offering. David Edited August 24, 2013 by bmthtrains - David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty11 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Hmmm... Valid points there. Would you ever do RTR models? Only I'm not a skilled model maker. And painting It would be a for me? You could sell the models as 4 coaches (drive, coach, pan coach, drive) like Hornby do? As I don't think there are many people who can afford £300 at once? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Is that pricing it for FUD or for Polished WSF ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 If you want it RTR then you can probably double the price! You then need to cover the cost of the hours spent making it. There's a reason why CJM charge £400 for a loco. RTR is something I plan to avoid. Bottom line really is if you want a model that doesn't exist, you have to either make it yourself or pay someone to do it for you. Either way it's expensive. It's why I taught myself to make these designs - I wanted them but could never have made them from scratch. Likewise, if painting is your downfall, I'd say rather than pay someone to paint it for you, use that same amount of cash to pay someone to teach you how to paint - then you've gained a skill that can be used over and over again. (And its cheaper the next time you want a model painting!) Once I've completed my degree my day job will effectively be being paid to make things that other people want but can't do themselves. There is a massive demand for those skills, but it takes an inordinate amount of time to make almost anything, so the only way to really save costs is to learn to do it yourself. Or handover a big wad of cash to someone else David 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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