RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted August 11, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 11, 2013 Hi David, The IQA is looking really good now. A couple of other questions: 1) Are the covers separate parts, for ease of painting? 2) Are you planning to use etched parts for the end handrails? You've used some brass parts on your TRT and they worked well with the prototyped components I felt, adding a degree of finesse to an already superb model.. Cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 Thanks Ben, Yes will make the covers separate - I've sent it for is test print all in one for now, but dead easy to separate. I think brass always works best for the handrails, you can print freestanding rails but they have to be 1mm thick, which just isn't fine enough to do justice to the rest of the design as you say. If the models take off in a big way, I will probably see if I can find an etched components firm who wants to make detailing add ons they can sell to complement the 3D prints. David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 If you can do 3D you can do 2D - etching is basically 50% 2D CAD 25% origami and 25% knowing what you can get away with ;-) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygif Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 print them 1mm thick and then stick them in the etch solution till they are the fineness required.... ok lots of trial and error required to time the dip just right.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) Just cleaned up the flask wagon print, it sits nicely on the bogies and turns well. I was evidently far too cautious with the size of the tanks between the bogies and will vastly increase their size as there is plenty of room there. David Edited August 15, 2013 by bmthtrains - David 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted August 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 15, 2013 Hello David, That looks very tasty indeed! Nice work! Just the thing to go with the Farish escort coaches that I see have just arrived in stock at retailers.... cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 Thanks Ben, Now I've primed it, the detail has become much clearer. Need to find wherever I've misplaced my masking strip before I can paint the blue on... David 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 This has come together quite well once it's been painted. I've just put on some spare decals from the other wagons for now as firstly I have no clear images of what the real ones say, and secondly they are in white text, which of course I cannot print at home... I've added a few handrails and need to source a larger tank for beneath each bogie (will add this to the CAD design obviously), but now it just needs a DRS coach and the forthcoming DRS class 37 to run with it... David 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-gog Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Smashing. Does it pivot nicely around curves? RWJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 It's very smooth with the bogies and chassis mounts all turning nicely. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted August 16, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 16, 2013 Hello David, Wow! Very good. Fox transfers do a sheet for the FNA flask wagons (intended, I think, for Bernard Taylor's kit) but it also includes decals for the larger twin wagon I did; maybe some of the smaller markings would be good for your model. Looking at the photograph here http://www.flickr.com/photos/60541960@N07/5526627887 the main lettering appears to be standard international style with the wagon number following the continental designations. It occurs to me that unless someone actually knows the numbers of these wagons off the top of their head then you could get away with any such lettering - indeed, the kit for the "original" style Tiphook KPA wagon (later the autoballaster) has very similar markings, as does the upcoming Rover cube wagon. However, looking at the photo linked to in this post, and comparing it to your photos in post 609, I did wonder whether the covers as currently drawn are slightly underscale? It is clear that these wagons really "fill" the loading gauge, whereas next to the Farish nuclear flask (which doesn't) the model looks roughly the same height. Just a thought while you are at the development stage! cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 Hi Ben, thanks for the Fox Transfers pointer, I will definitely get that sheet, it will be close enough I think. As for the size, this photo is a good one to judge as its fairly easy to compare to the 37 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/locohunter/5543031788/in/set-72157626994954038 Looking at mine, you are probably right, it needs to be about 2mm taller, so I will scale it up. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygif Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 David if the electrical flash stickers are a known standard size, can you use that to work out the overall height dimensions from an average of the source images? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 I've beefed up the flask covers by 2mm so they are now in line with the top of the loco body, and shifted the side grilles to the correct position, and added the larger tanks on the bogie chassis. Unfortunately, I have run out of funds to print this, so will need to wait a couple of weeks before ordering. Hopefully I can also then afford to order the Fox decals at the same time (this is the downside of not working!), as I am hoping to get at least a few orders for my designs after the N Gauge Show, which will pay for this. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Hello David, Superb work on the IQA, that is a very impressive wagon let alone the design work you have put into it. I spotted this earlier and thought it may be a good little project for you to do next, http://www.imeche.org/news/engineering/'factory-on-wheels'-train-will-cut-costs At 23 vehicles long (2 days work maybe?) I've even found some scale plans for you, http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Gallery/Blueprints-of-the-High-Output-Plant-System-on-the-wall-at-the-Windhoff-plant-1bf7.aspx Only kidding, Keep up the great work. Regards, Wild Boar Fell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 Ooh actually I've been thinking of making that when there's more info out there - it's 23 vehicles but seems to be repeating groups that split off and work in chunks up each line. It's an MPV front with wagons in between, Hmm, if only those blueprints were clearer! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Hello David, What I have read supports your comment of the HOPS splitting up into smaller sections, there are some graphic on Windhoff's website of similar system (I think supplied to the swiss operator SBB CFF FFS). http://www.windhoff.de/e/index_ft.htm and http://www.windhoff.de/e/index_ft.htm Which it may be partially based on, they might be able to provide you with more info or even Network Rail. I don't know if you spotted this, but there are a few photos of parts under construction/ testing here http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/imagelibrary/default.aspx?NewsAreaId=28&SubjectID=677 Regards, Wild Boar Fell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Ooh actually I've been thinking of making that when there's more info out there - it's 23 vehicles but seems to be repeating groups that split off and work in chunks up each line. It's an MPV front with wagons in between, Hmm, if only those blueprints were clearer! David As you'll know David, at least the power cars are done already. http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=7740.270 Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 Interesting seeing that MPV project, would like to see a finished one. I think once this train arrives in the UK and is photographed more, there will be enough for me to go on to have a stab at it. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibuchan Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 David, Where are you getting your ATM bogies from? As all of the places I have tried seem to have sold out. Also it seems like I ask this for each of your models but which ones is it for your IQA? got to be prepared for when you to make them available, so that they can hopefully be running in time for one of our outings in either September or October. Alistair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 Hi Alistair, the N Gauge Society shop has them. Both the ATM bogies and Parkside wheels are available. The IQA has Y25s under it. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibuchan Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 cheers I will be making at least an order a month, for a few months with all of your models that I want. Alistair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted August 17, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2013 Hello Alistair, I know that both the NGS and Osborne's models have supplied ATM bogies in the past - either should still have stocks. For the flask wagon,the Y25 cast frame bogies are correct. cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted August 17, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2013 Hi all, Looking at the photos of the HOPS linked to above, it does appear that the light clusters are different to those on the MPV... cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibuchan Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I had tried Osbourne's but they didn't have any will have a look at the NGS shop list. Im after about 15 pairs of different types just trying to work it out. Alistair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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