Mike 84C Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Here's another use for "EDB" to protect a junction. 00 KING GEORGE DOCK 1.jpg Thats a pretty complex Jct area. I suppose that only the main lines were on track circuits and the rest was permissive block? That being so I can see the need for EDB's to protect the junct's. But does dummy 57 take you across the bridge and then across into the H&B yd. Be a nightmare in fog on a loco not to much rushing about! Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Is there a Triang single lurking under all that apple green camouflage? G'Day Folks Yes, the 3D print was designed for that chassis, now, I;m trying to figure out whether to carry on with the motorized loco chassis, or used a motorized tender. manna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6, 2018 G'Day Folks Yes, the 3D print was designed for that chassis, now, I;m trying to figure out whether to carry on with the motorized loco chassis, or used a motorized tender. manna Hi Terry Apart form how wonderful it looks, keep the motor in the engine. Nothing looks worse than a loco being pushed and its coupling rods are not moving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Nothing looks worse than a loco being pushed and its coupling rods are not moving. It is a single he's talking about! (Or was that a "whoosh"?) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 G'Day Folks I was going to say, What, coupling rods ?? A good reason to love singles. manna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 G'Day Folks Yes, the 3D print was designed for that chassis, now, I;m trying to figure out whether to carry on with the motorized loco chassis, or used a motorized tender. manna There is another option to consider. Power the driver from a motor in the tender through a universal/flexible drive. That will let you fill the locomotive body with lead and concentrate the weight over the driver. Adhesion has nothing to do with the number of driven wheels. Concentrating weight over one driven axle is just as effective as spreading the weight over two, three, four or even five driven axles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 G'Day Folks I was going to say, What, coupling rods ?? A good reason to love singles. manna I suspect IKB would have agreed 100%. Coupled wheels were a way to keep civil engineering happy. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 A couple of questions, please? I'm writing a piece for BRILL regarding Doncaster. I know I've asked the question before, but what is the name of the church in the background in the above picture? St James', or St John's? I don't think it was a railway church. Though I think the second carriage in this empty stock train (despite the loco carrying an unfitted goods code) is a Gresley Semi-corridor Lavatory Composite, what is the non-gangwayed first carriage, please? Ex-NER? As for the third - anyone guess? What is the number of the 'box (it's at the south end), please? Regarding churches in Donny, I know the parish church was designed by Gilbert Scott, but was it the same Scott who designed the St. Pancras Hotel? A member of the same family designed the Anglican Cathedral in Liverpool. Finally, I have a shot of a Deltic passing through non-stop on an Up express, with the code 1A43. What was that, please? Thanks in anticipation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hollar Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) I now only buy branded drills such as Busch from CooksonGold or other jewellery or specialist tool suppliers. I prefer the large shank variety and in over twelve months have only broken one .5mm drill. I've found it help to use a pillar drill (Proxxon TBM220 in my case) whenever possible . Thanks, Jol. The Busch bits look like they will save a lot of irritation. I can't find anything smaller than .5mm on their web site, though I was rewarded by learning that the German for drill bit is spiralbohrer. Tone Edited July 7, 2018 by Hollar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) And it is a Railway Church. I didn't know that. Or do they just call themselves that because they are so close to the Railway? http://www.stjamesdoncaster.org.uk/locator/ https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.5184946,-1.1385075,3a,75y,306.3h,92.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4WmGzbDwbmu5GfHEqardAg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Edited July 7, 2018 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Tony, as I have been researching NER coaches recently I have a copy of the HMRS North eastern record vol 2 out. The coach appears to match the diagram 124 as per plate 1.26 on page 24. I hope this helps! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted July 7, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) A couple of questions, please? Doncaster 04 REV72-C-5-4 small.jpg I'm writing a piece for BRILL regarding Doncaster. I know I've asked the question before, but what is the name of the church in the background in the above picture? St James', or St John's? I don't think it was a railway church. Though I think the second carriage in this empty stock train (despite the loco carrying an unfitted goods code) is a Gresley Semi-corridor Lavatory Composite, what is the non-gangwayed first carriage, please? Ex-NER? As for the third - anyone guess? What is the number of the 'box (it's at the south end), please? Regarding churches in Donny, I know the parish church was designed by Gilbert Scott, but was it the same Scott who designed the St. Pancras Hotel? A member of the same family designed the Anglican Cathedral in Liverpool. Finally, I have a shot of a Deltic passing through non-stop on an Up express, with the code 1A43. What was that, please? Thanks in anticipation. Hello Tony, I can answer a couple of those. The church is St James, designed by the same George Gilbert Scott responsible for St. Pancras and many others. Descriptions say it was designed by him "in conjunction with" Lord Grimthorpe and the Great Northern Railway and it is known as "The Railway Church". It is where Malcolm Crawley's funeral service was held. The signal box is very certainly "South Box". I don't know if it had a number or what that would be. I have just completed a model of it for John Phillips. At 4mm scale, the model of the signal box is 22" long. John has the original LNER drawings for the box on which it is simply described as "South Box". It is a superb example of why you shouldn't always rely on official drawings as it was done differently in several areas when it was constructed. I would happily go with NER for the leading carriage. The ducket was a type they used for a while. Is the number visible on the original photo? It is almost readable on my screen but not quite. Regards Tony edit: others were quicker than me! Edited July 7, 2018 by t-b-g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 Hello Tony, I can answer a couple of those. The church is St James, designed by the same George Gilbert Scott responsible for St. Pancras and many others. Descriptions say it was designed by him "in conjunction with" Lord Grimthorpe and the Great Northern Railway and it is known as "The Railway Church". It is where Malcolm Crawley's funeral service was held. The signal box is very certainly "South Box". I don't know if it had a number or what that would be. I have just completed a model of it for John Phillips. At 4mm scale, the model of the signal box is 22" long. John has the original LNER drawings for the box on which it is simply described as "South Box". It is a superb example of why you shouldn't always rely on official drawings as it was done differently in several areas when it was constructed. I would happily go with NER for the leading carriage. The ducket was a type they used for a while. Is the number visible on the original photo? It is almost readable on my screen but not quite. Regards Tony edit: others were quicker than me! Thanks Tony, The number of the coach is not fully-discernable, but the last two digits might be 66. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon4470 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 The first coach looks like an NER 5 compartment brake third to me. It is fitted with top lights so could be a diagram 133 - not sure about this though. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 Though it's not obligatory that visitors to see Little Bytham make a donation to CRUK, the prominent position the collecting box is now in makes it hard to miss. Already, it's made over £40.00, thus taking the total this year past £1,300. Thanks to all those who have donated (and will!) so generously. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2018 Thanks to all those who have donated (and will!) so generously. Nothing like a healthy dose of threat! Mike . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon4470 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 The first coach looks like an NER 5 compartment brake third to me. It is fitted with top lights so could be a diagram 133 - not sure about this though.Jon[/quote I’ve now checked the only NER diagram book that I have (NERA vol 3) and that tells me that it isn’t a diagram 133! The number of vertical panels on the brake side do not match. Unfortunately I can’t see anything that does match in this book. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted July 7, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) A couple of questions, please? Doncaster 04 REV72-C-5-4 small.jpg I'm writing a piece for BRILL regarding Doncaster. I know I've asked the question before, but what is the name of the church in the background in the above picture? St James', or St John's? I don't think it was a railway church. Though I think the second carriage in this empty stock train (despite the loco carrying an unfitted goods code) is a Gresley Semi-corridor Lavatory Composite, what is the non-gangwayed first carriage, please? Ex-NER? As for the third - anyone guess? What is the number of the 'box (it's at the south end), please? Regarding churches in Donny, I know the parish church was designed by Gilbert Scott, but was it the same Scott who designed the St. Pancras Hotel? A member of the same family designed the Anglican Cathedral in Liverpool. Finally, I have a shot of a Deltic passing through non-stop on an Up express, with the code 1A43. What was that, please? Thanks in anticipation. The NER built a number of Brake Thirds and brake Compos with this general configuration including Toplight varieties. That in the photograph is most likely the 52' diagram 161. Identifiable by having the ducket adjacent to the passenger compartments and separated from the guards double doors by five narrow vertical panels with seven panels to the left of the doors. The sides were identical with a ducket on each side. As newer stock was built for the NE area older but still fairly young NER stock was cascaded to other areas in pprticular those of the GER and NBR. Information from the NERA published NER Diagram books. ArthurK Edited July 7, 2018 by ArthurK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) Nothing like a healthy dose of threat! Mike . Not just that, Mike, £50.00 of what we've made came from your generous donation of those point motors............. And, more from Clive's. Kindest regards, Tony. Edited July 7, 2018 by Tony Wright 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted July 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2018 A couple of questions, please? Doncaster 04 REV72-C-5-4 small.jpg I'm writing a piece for BRILL regarding Doncaster. I know I've asked the question before, but what is the name of the church in the background in the above picture? St James', or St John's? I don't think it was a railway church. Though I think the second carriage in this empty stock train (despite the loco carrying an unfitted goods code) is a Gresley Semi-corridor Lavatory Composite, what is the non-gangwayed first carriage, please? Ex-NER? As for the third - anyone guess? What is the number of the 'box (it's at the south end), please? Regarding churches in Donny, I know the parish church was designed by Gilbert Scott, but was it the same Scott who designed the St. Pancras Hotel? A member of the same family designed the Anglican Cathedral in Liverpool. Finally, I have a shot of a Deltic passing through non-stop on an Up express, with the code 1A43. What was that, please? Thanks in anticipation. The NER built a number of Brake Thirds and brake Compos with this general configuration including Toplight varieties. That in the photograph is most likely the 52' diagram 161. Identifiable by having the ducket adjacent to the passenger compartments and separated from the guards double doors by five narrow vertical panels with seven panels to the left of the doors. The sides were identical with a ducket on each side. As newer stock was built for the NE area older but still fairly young NER stock was cascaded to other areas in pprticular those of the GER and NBR. Information from the NERA published NER Diagram books. ArthurK Good Afternoon ArthurK - I'm interested in which coaches were cascaded to the GE section and when - I'm assuming you are referring to these diagram books - NER Passenger Vehicles Volumes 1 - 5, each £3.50 £4.50 Would I need to buy all of these or just certain ones? Is there info on which diagrams and numbers were sent there? Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted July 7, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) Unfortunately the diagram books do not refer to the history of the coaches after building. however I do know that some of the matchboard "excursion" stock went to the GE area.These included full thirds and brake thirds. Somewhere there is a published article about this stock. When a coach was transferred the number was often prefixed with the area number which received it. Also it was usual for a new diagram to be included in the list of diagrams for the area receiving it. For example the diagram books for the NE area included diagrams for the Sentinel Railcars. I will try to locate where I got the information about inter area transfers from. and get back on here. ArthurK Edited July 7, 2018 by ArthurK 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted July 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2018 Unfortunately the diagram books do not refer to the history of the coaches after building. however I do know that some of the matchboard "excursion" stock went there.These included full thirds and brake thirds. Somewhere there is a published article about this stock. When a coach was transferred the number was often prefixed with the area number which received it. Also it was usual for a new diagram to be included in the list of diagrams for the area receiving it. For example the diagram books for the NE area included diagrams for the Sentinel Railcars. I will try to locate where I got the information about inter area transfers from. and get back on here. ArthurK Thank you, that would be most appreciated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 British Railway Journal, some time early 1990s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted July 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2018 British Railway Journal, some time early 1990s. Thanks Think I found it - 34? http://www.britishrailwayjournal.com/issue.php?s=34 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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