Bakewell - Peak District Line BR - Layout Views

[C&WR]

Here's the post with the details of what I bought, Al.  Two posts before shows what I did.  I appreciate the CKs and FKs aren't technically accurate, but they do from a distance...

[Classsix T]

Hi Al, seems like that break did you the world of good, the Dove Holes idea is genius! You could even place a cheap n cheerful mini webcam in there, permanent like!

 

They're deffo Hatchette SKs, manufactured at a price entirely to bolster the unfussy modellers stock levels. The questions I was asked when I bought five (plus mag etc) at ASDA...

[Alister_G]

A little bit of weatherage for the afternoon.

 

A bit rough and ready, I don't have much in the way of weathering skill, but they look less clean and shiny new...

 

 

 

Here's a fitted Vent van before:

 

 

and after:

 

 

 

And here's an unfitted BR 12T Van,

 

Before:

 

 

and after:

 

 

 

Hopefuly, they look used, but not over the top.

 

I'm not touching the coaches until I've got the Fox transfers and so on done.

 

Cheers,

 

Al.

 

[Alister_G]

Hi Al, seems like that break did you the world of good, the Dove Holes idea is genius! You could even place a cheap n cheerful mini webcam in there, permanent like!

 

They're deffo Hatchette SKs, manufactured at a price entirely to bolster the unfussy modellers stock levels. The questions I was asked when I bought five (plus mag etc) at ASDA...

 

Cheers Carl, thanks for that, I just hope I can do it justice. The webcam idea sounds good!

 

The coaches seem pretty good as a basis to work from. The glazing is nice and flush, and the basic detailing is quite good.

 

Al.

[Andrew P]

Hi Al, welcome back and I like the Dove Holes Cutting idea, BUT and its a BIG BUT, I think you will also need a big fiddle yard to feed the vast amount of freight and passenger services that will need to pass through Bakewell. Up and Down freight, Up and Down Coal, Up and down Vans, Up and Down Mixed, Up and Down Express Passenger, and Up and Down Local Passenger. that's six roads each way just for starters, then a few extras like the Blue Pullman and Specials.

 

Either way I'm sure you'll come up with a plan.

 

All the best.

[Alister_G]

Hi Al, welcome back and I like the Dove Holes Cutting idea, BUT and its a BIG BUT, I think you will also need a big fiddle yard to feed the vast amount of freight and passenger services that will need to pass through Bakewell. Up and Down freight, Up and Down Coal, Up and down Vans, Up and Down Mixed, Up and Down Express Passenger, and Up and Down Local Passenger. that's six roads each way just for starters, then a few extras like the Blue Pullman and Specials.

 

Either way I'm sure you'll come up with a plan.

 

All the best.

 

Cheers Andy,

 

Yes, when you put it like that, it sounds a lot, but I think I can get away with it if I don't have all the stock on the layout at a time. I'm hoping to spend time shunting the on scene yard, and then sort out through trains off scene.

 

The way I'm planning it, the fiddle yard will be behind the rock face of the tunnel cutting, something like this:

 

 

Al

[ChrisN]

Cheers Andy,

 

Yes, when you put it like that, it sounds a lot, but I think I can get away with it if I don't have all the stock on the layout at a time. I'm hoping to spend time shunting the on scene yard, and then sort out through trains off scene.

 

The way I'm planning it, the fiddle yard will be behind the rock face of the tunnel cutting, something like this:

 

fiddle.jpg

 

Al

 

Al,

Seems like a good plan to me.  Looks like a lot of handling stock unless it is going straight through but it does mean a different train each time.

[Joe MCMLXI]

Great idea Al,

I agree that a Limestone cutting leading into Dove Holes Tunnel mouth will look superb and immediately says 'Peak District' - go for it! 

Seeing the level of modelling you've all ready achieved for the station, the cutting/tunnel will make a great back ground for photographs of your freights and expresess'......

joe 

[Alister_G]

Great idea Al,

I agree that a Limestone cutting leading into Dove Holes Tunnel mouth will look superb and immediately says 'Peak District' - go for it! 

Seeing the level of modelling you've all ready achieved for the station, the cutting/tunnel will make a great back ground for photographs of your freights and expresess'......

joe 

 

Cheers Joe,

 

Think I need to speak to Captain Nick about how he did "The Hill"

 

[Allegheny1600]

Cheers Andy,

 

Yes, when you put it like that, it sounds a lot, but I think I can get away with it if I don't have all the stock on the layout at a time. I'm hoping to spend time shunting the on scene yard, and then sort out through trains off scene.

 

The way I'm planning it, the fiddle yard will be behind the rock face of the tunnel cutting, something like this:

 

fiddle.jpg

 

Al

Hi Al,

I'm loving the idea of that limestone cutting & tunnel - it will be gorgeous, I'm sure!

But like Andy, I'm worried that your scenic benefit will be outweighed by operational difficulties. I do think your plan makes the best use of the space you have.

I'm probably being thick here but will you operate from within an operating well 'inside' the layout, or from in front of the station, or is that your plan I've quoted?

I'm visualising you operating a tranche of trains up & down, then diving under and into the operating well to sort them out again!

Sorry for my dense-ness!

Cheers,

John E.

[Alister_G]

Hi John, Thanks very much.

 

Yes, there is an operating well in the center, behind the station / goods yard and in front of the fiddle yard, you can see the back edge of it in this photo.

 

The controllers are under the hillside, about where the tree stands.

 

 

It's more of a slot than a well being 2 1/2 foot deep and 5 foot long, but it lets me get at all the track,

 

Cheers,

 

Al

[Alister_G]

Well, this afternoon I've been worrying the plasticard again.

 

The last major structure that I need to build for Bakewell doesn't appear in many photos, so it's been difficult to get accurate dimensions.

 

This is about the best photo I have of it, which isn't saying much...

 

 

However, it looks like the standard BR concrete sectional provender store - albeit a biggish one.

 

Searching the web I found this photo, among others, of the typical type of thing, which shows more detail:

 

 

I could, of course, have bought one of the RTR models that exist - I believe Bachmann and Peco or Ratio do them - but you know that's not my way

 

So, starting with some 30thou plasticard, I cut out the floor and sides.

 

 

Then I measured out another piece, and marked up the gables:

 

 

In all I made 5 of these, to provide support for the roof.

 

 

There will be no Interior detail on this build, as I haven't a clue what was in it, or how it was laid out.

 

All I know is it was owned by a Mr R. Silcock, as I have an extract from the application to build / extend it.

 

I added a lip of 10thou x 60thou strip to both ends of the floor, so that the gable ends would butt up flush:

 

 

 

Then I added the first end, bracing it with an offcut to keep it square:

 

 

I did the same for the other end, and the centre roof support, and added the first side to keep it all in line:

 

 

and finally the intermediate supports:

 

 

Then I added the other side:

 

 

and that's about it, the main structure complete:

 

 

More soon,

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Al.

 

[Alister_G]

I then moved on to the roof.

 

I cut a sheet of Slater's 4mm corrugated plasticard into strips, and then cut each strip into small sections:

 

 

 

I also cut some larger pieces, which will form the basis of the roof, and seperated the bottom edge into sections the same size as the others, to give the ipmression of seperate sheets.

 

 

Then I started to stick it all together:

 

 

Using a triangular file, and the scalpel, I attacked the edges of the sheets to make them look prototypically worn and damaged:

 

 

Finally, the first side of the roof was completed, and temporarily tacked in place on the model:

 

The ridge is made of 3.2mm round rod, which matches the picture in the previous post.

 

 

 

The roof will not be applied permanently at this stage, as I want to paint it seperately.

 

Finally this afternoon, i started to add the external details of the timber frame:

 

 

Including the obligatory thumb print, for authenticity...

 

I'll continue with this tonight.

 

Cheers

 

Al.

[C&WR]

Great stuff, Al.  Out of interest is the framing wood or concrete/asbestos?  Wondered if it could be the latter.

[Alister_G]

Hi mate, thanks.

 

Yes, you're right the framework is concrete / asbestos.

 

Al.

[westerhamstation]

Hi Al, leave you alone for five minutes and look what you've started and nearly finished, just going to have my tea now, back in twenty minutes when it's all finished and painted, no pressure. all the best Adrian

[uax6]

Ahhrrgh! I measured up the store opposite the box here last year, see this thread:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/76786-detail-drawing-of-concrete-provender-store-wanted/page-1

 

Now theres no excuses!

 

There is internal shots too, so I expect a fully detailed build. If you need any more info I can always shout over the fence.....

 

 

Andy G

Edited June 5, 2014 by uax6

[Andrew P]

Hi Al, I'm off for the day and your going Plasticard mad again, you should have taken that lot on Holiday for some R & R in the evenings,,hahhahah

 

Looking very good mate.

[Alister_G]

Ahhrrgh! I measured up the store opposite the box here last year, see this thread:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/76786-detail-drawing-of-concrete-provender-store-wanted/page-1

 

Now theres no excuses!

 

There is internal shots too, so I expect a fully detailed build. If you need any more info I can always shout over the fence.....

 

 

Andy G

 

Cheers Andy, I wish I'd seen that thread sooner. Great information and photos, brilliant mate.

 

Al.

[Alister_G]

Hi Al, leave you alone for five minutes and look what you've started and nearly finished, just going to have my tea now, back in twenty minutes when it's all finished and painted, no pressure. all the best Adrian

 

 

Sorry Adrian, I've let you down, it's not done yet

 

However, some progress has been made.

 

I started by adding the detailing of the panels.

 

I added 20thou x 60thou strip to the top and bottom of both sides:

 

 

Then I used 10thou x 60thou strip to demarcate the panels which the building is constructed from:

 

 

Starting at both ends:

 

 

until they met in the middle:

 

 

and then the other side:

 

 

Once the sides were done, I added the floor beams, using 10thou x 125thou strip:

 

 

The prototype store is supported on ferro-concrete beams, which sit on top of hexagonal concrete piles.

 

I don't have enough 4mm square or an alternative to make the beams full length, so I've cheated and just made the ends:

 

 

 

 

I made the hexagonal columns by sticking flat strip to a round tube.

 

 

Unfortunately I haven't made enough, so whilst the new length sets hard, here's a couple of shots to give an idea of what it will look like when finished:

 

 

 

That's where I've got to tonight, more tomorrow.

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Al.

[Rowsley17D]

Hi Al, that looks just the job to store all that grain they'll need for the cattle attending  Bakewell Show.

[ChrisN]

Al,

Not only looking good but done at such a speed.  About three weeks work for me! 

 

Well done

[georgeT]

Morning Al,  My you have been busy, thought l was quick,  cracking building mate and l love the bit by bit progress pictures, keep em' coming.

 

George

[Alister_G]

Cheers, George.

 

Well today, I've finished it.

 

We left it last night awaiting some more columns to be cut.

 

And here they are:

 

 

This morning, I gave the shell of the building a spray of dark grey from an aerosol, to act as both base colour and primer:

 

 

 

I then made a very dilute wash of Humbrol Acrylic Engineers Grey (RC413) and started applying with a brush:

 

 

 

here's a second coat:

 

 

 

I treated the roof sections the same way:

 

 

 

but left them with only two washes.

 

After four coats of the wash (allowing it to dry in between) I was happy with the result:

 

 

I then painted and attached the doors, and stuck on the roof:

 

 

All that remained was to add the columns and paint them.

 

I used neat Engineers Grey, and once it was dry, a wash of Humbrol Acrylic Dark Green (No.30) to weather them.

 

I also applied a single wash of the green to the bottom of the main walls, as well.

 

Here's the finished result:

 

 

 

 

And here is the finished provender store in place on the layout:

 

 

 

 

There will be some scenic groundwork added to blend it in.

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Al.

[Alister_G]

I've also been playing with hanging a backscene, to save having to photoshop everything.

 

Here's a couple of shots, showing the results of hanging a plain sheet on the operating side of the layout:

 

 

 

 

Not perfect, but a lot better than previously, and gives me an idea of how to proceed.

 

Al.