Bakewell - Peak District Line BR - Layout Views

[Alister_G]

Hi Marcus, thanks very much mate.

 

I agree, in some lights, the vertical courses show up. I think, once the portal is in position, it should be ok, as the portal will be mostly in shadow.

 

I'm actually modelling Dove Holes tunnel, as it has a nice reverse curve in the cutting which matches the track formation at the back of the layout:

 

 

Cheers,

 

Al.

[Alister_G]

I've started to build the portal for the other end of the layout.

 

It is not meant to be a replica of any particular tunnel, more a generic stone built one which could be anywhere on the Peak line.

 

This is where it will be on the layout:

 

 

I used a piece of card to form a rough template of the cutting:

 

 

and from that cut out the shape from some 30thou plasticard:

 

 

then using Slater's 7mm dressed stone, I cut the portal out,

 

 

and then cut it away where I'll be adding the individually cut stone of the arch.

 

 

That's all for now,

 

Al.

[Marcus 37]

Hi Marcus, thanks very much mate.

 

I agree, in some lights, the vertical courses show up. I think, once the portal is in position, it should be ok, as the portal will be mostly in shadow.

 

I'm actually modelling Dove Holes tunnel, as it has a nice reverse curve in the cutting which matches the track formation at the back of the layout:

 

dove-holes-tunnel01.jpg

 

Cheers,

 

Al.

Hi Al

That should be impressive. That cutting is exceptionally deep. I know when I've pulled up in the car there and peered over, its along way down. One quick thing though, I'm sure Dove Holes tunnel mouth is like a normal shaped tunnel profile the same as Chee Tor number two. Not that it matters though as the shape of the other tunnels just shouts Peak line.

 

Cheers

 

Marcus

[Marcus 37]

Hi Al

Actually, looking again at other pictures the curve is more curvaceous on Doveholes tunnel than the others but it still has straight walls at the side. Somewhere inside though it must change profile as this picture shows:

 

http://www.therailengineer.com/wp-content/uploads/Dove-Holes-06.jpg

 

Went through their once on a Raitour with 37427 and 669. It was certainly one wet hole that's for sure as it was streaming down the carriage windows as we passed through.

 

Cheers

 

Marcus

[Alister_G]

Hi Marcus,

 

This, among others, is the image I was working from:

 

 

Which seems to suggest the portal is the shape I've modelled. I'm not sure about the other end though,

 

I know Headstone tunnel has a similar change of profile halfway through, having walked through it recently. It's almost as though the two gangs of navvies were working from different plans.

 

You can imagine when they met up, going "hey mate, you've built it the wrong shape!" ... "No we haven't , you have!" ...

[Jaz]

Hope the polystyrene works out,as the rocks are rough,am sure u will use ur usual ingenuity to end up with an enviable result,with the plaster cast don't skip on the plaster otherwise the holes show thru early av walls have this problem...

[Alister_G]

Thanks Jaz, nice to hear from you again.

[Guest bri.s]

Great modelling mate , nice looking tunnel mouth ,you've got it spot on this time and will look great at the end of the cutting (and I do like a cutting lol) once done will give your great backdrop for taking photos and videos ,

I look forward to how you do the cutting and next tunnel mouth progress .

 

Brian

[freebs]

Looking great Al. Your work rate - as ever is phenomenal!

[LNER4479]

Hi Al,

 

Just had a look in (and catch up). Loving the whole tunnel mouth/fiddle yard scheme and very timely for me as I shall be tackling some tunnel mouths myself over the coming months. Very interested in the painting and weathering techniques you've used. Not my strong point at all so your ever useful step-by-step guides are especially helpful on this occasion

 

Been through the infamous Dove Holes tunnel myself behind 48151 and 5593 in the late 1980's. Quite an experience. I don't think it's a lined tunnel inside (others may put me right on that).

Edited June 16, 2014 by LNER4479

[cbeagleowner]

Over the Peak pt 1 has some pictures of the N end of Dove Holes - I'll try to have a look later and get back to you. It's well worth while investing in a copy of that book!

[Marcus 37]

Hi Al,

 

Just had a look in (and catch up). Loving the whole tunnel mouth/fiddle yard scheme and very timely for me as I shall be tackling some tunnel mouths myself over the coming months. Very interested in the painting and weathering techniques you've used. Not my strong point at all so your ever useful step-by-step guides are especially helpful on this occasion

 

Been through the infamous Dove Holes tunnel myself behind 48151 and 5593 in the late 1980's. Quite an experience. I don't think it's a lined tunnel inside (others may put me right on that).

It is lined inside, check out the link here:

 

http://www.therailengineer.com/wp-content/uploads/Dove-Holes-06.jpg

 

It does seem to change profile a few times though and leaks like a sieve. Used to be 20mph throughout but wether it's been increased with all the drainage work, I don't know.

 

Marcus

[Alister_G]

Continuing with the second tunnel.

 

We left it looking like this:

 

 

First, I cut a set of flat sections of 30thou plasticard for the portal stonework. This is necessary, as the Slater's 7mm stone has quite a high relief.

 

 

I then took some more strips of 30thou, and scored it into small sections:

 

 

Which were then seperated into the individual stones:

 

 

These were then glued all the way round the entrance.

 

 

 

Using a triangular file, I scored the edge of each stone, and then used the marks to score another strip of plasticard inside the portal, to give the depth to the stones:

 

 

and did the same for the arch:

 

 

I then added the stringer course, individually cutting the stones again, and filing the edges to get the required relief.

 

With basic construction completed, I started to apply the base coat of Humbrol Matt Sand acrylic. Unfortunately, I've now run out, so this is as far as I managed to get:

 

 

More soon,

 

Al.

 

 

[freebs]

looking great Al. I do love a nice tunnel portal. Especially a Stone one! *drools*

[Sasquatch]

Nice clean build as usual Al mate. Can hardly wait to see the finished item!

Am watching with great interest as I'll need two for Queensbury. Problem is the elliptical arches had rounded stones around the opening. I'm thinking of trying drywall sheet! 

[Alister_G]

Thanks Lee, Shaun.

 

This evening, I've finished painting the portal. I found I had a new pot of Matt Sand, buried in my stock of paints, so I was able to finish the base colour last night.

 

So this evening, I applied my usual technique of making up dilute washes of different colours, and applying them in turn, then wiping off with kitchen roll.

 

I used Humbrol acrylic Matt Olive Drab (No. 66) and Matt Dark Green (No.30). I did about four or five coats of the wash, allowing each to dry.

 

Then, as a final weathering, I used Humbrol Dirty Black (RC401) to represent the sooty finish.

 

Here's the result:

 

 

 

 

Here's the two portals in their position on the layout

 

 

and here's what the new one looks like from track level:

 

 

 

I need to decide what to do with the top of it - it may need a course of capping stones, or it may be buried in rock.

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Al.

[Alister_G]

I've got hold of some more points, so Ive been doing some more trial and error planning of the fiddle yard area, by pushing different bits of track around the baseboards.

 

Here's some photos of some attempts:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

More soon,

 

Al.

[RBE]

Looks good Al. I would do capping stones though as the tunnel entrance would I feel be slightly proud of the rock in order to do its job of holding it up. Looking forward to more updates, the fiddle yard cutting version of Doveholes is uncanny how it follows the prototype trackplan!

[Alister_G]

Thanks Cav. Yes, It looks wrong without the capping, doesn't it.

 

I know, I think the Dove Holes bit is going to work really well, just need to get it laid, ballasted and scenic'd (is that a word).

 

Loving the work you've done on the MD viaduct, you've nailed the look of it perfectly.

 

Al.

[RBE]

Cheers, Im rather pleased so far.hopefully I get the other end done over the next week and I can move onto the one at this end for the southernmost bridge. Can start to see about laying topography then! Will wonders never cease. Seems odd the track being so far back in proceedings but I suppose the earth was there a fair few years before the railway came along!

[Alister_G]

I'm really looking forward to seeing you lay down the scenery, it's going to be awesome.

[RBE]

Ill be getting through a fair few bags of static grass and flock Im sure. Ill leave the river til the very last as I dont want any of the ground cover materials to spoil the surface.

Edited June 18, 2014 by RBE

[ChrisN]

Al,

Tunnel portal magnificent as usual. 

[Alister_G]

This evening I have relaid the track for the through lines at the back of the layout, incorporating the access to the fiddle yard.

 

This montage shows the complete section between the two curves:

 

 

As you can see, it is possible to enter and leave the yard entry road (the third track from the top) from both directions from both main lines, and there is sufficient headshunt to draw in and then access the sidings from both ways, and room to assemble a train and then exit the yard.

 

I haven't yet finalised the siding layout, but it will probably be a "tree" at both ends linked by the fourth and fifth tracks with the ability to marshal and run-round.

 

I need to do a bit of quarrying at this end, as there isn't enough clearance on the curve, so cold-chisel and large hammer will be employed to take a chunk out of the wall:

 

 

You can see I've had to use two points to access the yard at this end, as the crossover is on a curve, and I didn't think I could successfully bend a double-slip sufficiently, so the double-slip is used to allow traffic both ways into the sidings from the access road..

 

 

I'm happy with this, operationally I think it will work ok.

 

There's room to draw in and run around a six coach train from either direction, and then move it to where you want it.

 

I don't think, in the space available, I could do much more.

 

Al.

[Jaz]

hope the track is not too close to the wall for the trains to catch on, rolling stock has a nasty habit of snagging.