Bakewell - Peak District Line BR - Layout Views

[Andrew P]

Hi Al, just catching up and the coaches are looking really good, I love the pics showing the Goods shed and stock behind the coaches, really atmospheric mate, well done.

 

Bodge

[Jaz]

Superb work Jaz, really amazing. I'm a bit scared by the eyes though

I'll pop them back to the earlier look.....

Edited July 21, 2014 by Jaz

[Jaz]

Al

saw this and thought of you......

considering you are both into outfitting interiors....I have added a link to MJIs work.....he would probably love someone to chat to.....

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/84888-martins-modifications-tales-from-the-dining-room-table-older-mark-2-detailing/&do=findComment&comment=1423894

[Alister_G]

Al

saw this and thought of you......

considering you are both into outfitting interiors....I have added a link to MJIs work.....he would probably love someone to chat to.....

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/84888-martins-modifications-tales-from-the-dining-room-table-older-mark-2-detailing/&do=findComment&comment=1423894

 

Thanks Jaz, he's doing some interesting stuff.

[Alister_G]

Today, I've been working on the retaining wall that runs along the side of the track at the foot of the steep grass bank on the up side.

 

It's made from Slater's 2mm stone sheet cut into thin strips, and then pieces of 1/4 inch angle styrene.

 

 

 

The curved section was formed using a section of 2nd radius set track, as the track on the up line is a 3rd radius curve:

 

 

 

The coping stones were cut individually from 20thou styrene sheet

 

 

and glued to the front edge and sections of 1/4 inch angle.

 

 

This was then painted with Humbrol Matt Sand (No.63),

 

 

and once that was dry, washed with a dilute mix of Humbrol Black Green (No.91)

 

 

 

Once all dried, it was put in place on the layout:

 

 

 

 

 

It will be fixed permanently in place when I've finished doing the scenery bits.

 

More in a minute.

 

Al.

[Alister_G]

Like Adrian (Westerhamstation) I have bought a cheap static grass machine made from a flyswatter. For the price, it seems quite adequate, and I've been adding static grass of various shades over the top of the hanging basket liner I already have on the layout.

 

Here's a few photos of various bits I've done:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's a quick example of how I do it.

 

First I spread slightly dilute PVA over the hanging basket liner in a smallish patch:

 

 

Then, I use a piece of copper-coated steel wire to make a good electrical contact, and stick it in the edge of the PVA, and connect the crocodile clip from the static-grass machine. Then I pressed the  button and start tapping:

 

 

 

After a couple of passes, here's the result:

 

 

 

And here's another bit:

 

 

 

 

I think it makes a big difference, and once I've got some fences and bushes added, it should look quite good.

 

Thanks for looking.

 

Al.

[Alister_G]

It appears I have a critic:

 

 

 

 

[Jaz]

flockage.....is obviously all the rage.......

must say it does go well on that planter lining.....i have a pack of the stuff somewhere......

unfortunately at the moment I have more concrete......

so will just have to watch u guys....

[Jock67B]

Love it Al, I especially like the way the grass is beginning to look. Does Adrian's thread have information on the applicator? My modelling funds will be tight and so the word 'cheap' caught my eye and the effect would fit well on the bank around my proposed coaling stage! Keep up the good work and thanks for the inspiration once again.

Kind regards,

Jock.

[Alister_G]

Love it Al, I especially like the way the grass is beginning to look. Does Adrian's thread have information on the applicator? My modelling funds will be tight and so the word 'cheap' caught my eye and the effect would fit well on the bank around my proposed coaling stage! Keep up the good work and thanks for the inspiration once again.

Kind regards,

Jock.

 

Hi Jock,

 

This is the one I purchased:

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230752091243?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

 

a kit including the applicator and some static-grass, which with postage cost just less than £30, however the applicator on it's own is less than twenty quid at the moment.

[Classsix T]

Great find Al. For those of us that don't frequent eBay:

 

http://www.gbmodels.com/railstocklist.php?psearch=static+grass&Submit=GO&psearchtype=

 

C6T.

[Alister_G]

That's great, thanks C6T.

[LNER4479]

Today, I've been working on the retaining wall that runs along the side of the track at the foot of the steep grass bank on the up side.

 

It will be fixed permanently in place when I've finished doing the scenery bits.

Hi Al,

 

Great work as always BUT...

 

If it's not yet fixed in place, may I be bold enough to suggest that the wall should be further away from the running line than you have shown it? I appreciate that you might need to hack away at the base of the grass bank to achieve this but an impression of the cess* to that side of the running line would add greatly to the look of your mainline in this area.

(*should be a scale 3 foot 'safe' area for trackworkers and others to stand beyond the edge of the ballast)

 

As always, posted in the spirit of making something already really good that little bit better

[muddy water]

Great upgrade on your coach interior! Which manufacture's paint code number did you use for the blue seat colour?

[Alister_G]

Great upgrade on your coach interior! Which manufacture's paint code number did you use for the blue seat colour?

 

Hi mate, It's Humbrol Matt Acrylic No.25, just called "Blue"

 

Cheers

 

Al.

[Alister_G]

Hi Al,

 

Great work as always BUT...

 

If it's not yet fixed in place, may I be bold enough to suggest that the wall should be further away from the running line than you have shown it? I appreciate that you might need to hack away at the base of the grass bank to achieve this but an impression of the cess* to that side of the running line would add greatly to the look of your mainline in this area.

(*should be a scale 3 foot 'safe' area for trackworkers and others to stand beyond the edge of the ballast)

 

As always, posted in the spirit of making something already really good that little bit better

 

Hi Graeme, thanks very much.

 

Yes the track seems to have edged over towards the bank somehow, in the process of fixing it and ballasting it. I'll be cutting the bank back a bit to make room for the cess, as you suggest before I fix the wall in place.

 

Thanks,

 

Al.

[Guest bri.s]

Your layouts coming on great mate .

 

Brian

[Marcus 37]

Hi Al,

 

Great work as always BUT...

 

If it's not yet fixed in place, may I be bold enough to suggest that the wall should be further away from the running line than you have shown it? I appreciate that you might need to hack away at the base of the grass bank to achieve this but an impression of the cess* to that side of the running line would add greatly to the look of your mainline in this area.

(*should be a scale 3 foot 'safe' area for trackworkers and others to stand beyond the edge of the ballast)

 

As always, posted in the spirit of making something already really good that little bit better

Hi Al

This isn't always the case although the wall is still probably a tad close. Where structures are to close to the running line to give sufficient room for a position of safety then there will be a sign like the one below at either end of the structure. This sign can also have the blue chequers rather than red which gives the added information that there are no refuges for the length of the structure.

As for safe distances, up to 100mph line speed the safe distance is four foot. Speeds over 100mph then the safe distance is six foot six inches. When 140mph was in force on the ECML the safe distance from 125 to 140 was nine feet. Unfortunately maximum line speeds are now 125mph. That's progress for you!!

There is a retaining wall like yours up Hatton Goods loop and you can actually step out of the loco and onto the top of the wall!!

By the way the layouts coming on in leaps and bounds now. Looking good.

 

[Marcus 37]

Perfect example of limited clearance.

[Alister_G]

Hi Al

This isn't always the case although the wall is still probably a tad close. Where structures are to close to the running line to give sufficient room for a position of safety then there will be a sign like the one below at either end of the structure. This sign can also have the blue chequers rather than red which gives the added information that there are no refuges for the length of the structure.

As for safe distances, up to 100mph line speed the safe distance is four foot. Speeds over 100mph then the safe distance is six foot six inches. When 140mph was in force on the ECML the safe distance from 125 to 140 was nine feet. Unfortunately maximum line speeds are now 125mph. That's progress for you!!

There is a retaining wall like yours up Hatton Goods loop and you can actually step out of the loco and onto the top of the wall!!

By the way the layouts coming on in leaps and bounds now. Looking good.

 

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Hi Marcus,

 

Thanks very much, very interesting and informative posts.

 

I think LNER4479 is right though, it's a bit too close compared to the prototype.

 

The following shots are all copyright the Stan Roberts Collection, used with permission:

 

 

 

 

So I'm going to cut back the bank a little, only 12mm or so, to give me a 3-foot cess before the wall, which whilst within the safe distance you quoted, is probably about right.I think I'm right in saying the speed limit through Bakewell was only 25mph, because of the lack of visibility on the curve.

 

By the way, on the second photo, there's a short telegraph pole with an equipment box between the span of the main telegraph pole route, I don't suppose anyone has any idea what that would be for?

 

Cheers, Marcus.

 

Al.

[Marcus 37]

Hi Al

The safe distance in the RSSG / BR rule book is measured from the actual rail. So in theory you need 16 mm + enough room for some one to stand, from the rail to the side of the wall. So that might give you a little more space. As daft as it sounds any speed upto 100mph should be 4 feet. Believe me, having been in the situation several times, a train rushing by at 100mph four feet away is pretty scary. Especially as the cess is normal considerably lower than the rail height.

 

Cheers

 

Marcus

[Marcus 37]

Looking at that second picture it is highly unlikely that would be a safe place to walk especially with all the signalling cables and point rodding there.

[Sasquatch]

Grass and walling looking great. I bet the grass will keep Bodge happy!!!

 

Edit. On the subject of grass applicators. It's not hard to build your own. All that's needed is an ionizer, crocodile clip and plug! Mine cost under 10 dollars. The instructions to build one can be googled!

Edited July 29, 2014 by Sasquatch

[Alister_G]

This evening, I've turned my attention back to the cutting.

 

First, I filled in the gap between the polystyrene cutting walls and the cellar wall with more filler. This will be shaped and carved once it's set, to match the other section.

 

 

 

Then, I started to fix and ballast the track.

 

I applied a good layer of PVA under the track:

 

 

 

Then, I piled a load of ballast on top:

 

 

 

 

And then vacuumed it all off again:

 

 

 

Then, I piled a load of weight on it all and left it to set.

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Al.

 

 

[Alister_G]

Almost forgot, I've completed laying the sidings of the fiddle yard, and here they are full:

 

 

 

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Al.