SDJR7F88 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 It might be because they have mistyped the Hornby code, R2307 is a modern DMU, R3207 is the P2 (main range). It would be a good buy for anyone still looking for the main range version, thanks for giving the link. Jamie Opps, that maybe why then! Will tell them next time I pop in. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted April 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 9, 2015 IIRC I have seen a photo of COTN as an A2/2 still bearing the number 2001. They didn't receive the 500s until 1946 (and should have been in the 990s in the 1943 system) IMHO If the P2s survived they could have been anywhere in the low number series reserved for top link engines (60)200, 300, 400 etc. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 IIRC I have seen a photo of COTN as an A2/2 still bearing the number 2001. They didn't receive the 500s until 1946 (and should have been in the 990s in the 1943 system) IMHO If the P2s survived they could have been anywhere in the low number series reserved for top link engines (60)200, 300, 400 etc. Keith Fair enough, but this would not have taken into account that Eastern region engines went off power classification, or something similar. Thus I reckon P2 would be 606xx between A2 being the last pacifics using the number scheme at 605xx and the W1 and 607xx. Quite why more classes were not devided up into 600xx, 601xx, with vacent spaces used will forever remain a mystery I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 G'day Gents Seeing that the P2's had a smaller wheel diameter, would they have been classified Mixed Traffic by BR and painted Black, like the V2, could have looked nice in black, fully lined out. manna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted April 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 11, 2015 G'day Gents Seeing that the P2's had a smaller wheel diameter, would they have been classified Mixed Traffic by BR and painted Black, like the V2, could have looked nice in black, fully lined out. manna The Merchant Navies had 6' 2" wheels and were always classed as passenger locos. (First 7P then 8P in 1951) Wikipedia lists A2s as 8P7F although the books I have show them as 7MT! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted April 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 11, 2015 As regard the position of a numberplate if they had survived to BR. Maybe no number plate? Think ex LNWR locos! Even in LMS days they weren't universally numberplated. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Had a nice surprise Thursday this week when my replacement P2 with tts sound was delivered from Hornby by uk mail (the original order delivered in January having been sent back as it has a large crack in body) . Hornby had indicated a replacement wouldn't be available until September. No update from Hornby since but uk mail started messaging me on the Thursday saying they would be delivering that day. Anyway, have now had a chance to give it a good run and am delighted with it. I was initially put off by volume with sound clearly coming from tender and juddering running, but, having run in and played with acceleration and deceleration settings, plus reduced accelerating/coasting sounds to setting 2, I think it is a great model. It isn't as good as my legomanbiffo class 67s or the 37 I purchased from Paul C, but for the price it is really good. I do run my trains for enjoyment (play value) rather than worrying too much about accuracy, but if you wondering about getting one, I would say go for it. Thanks Hornby. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickRoper Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Having bought the excellent model of Cock O' The North in detailed form, I wonder if Hornby have any plans to produce Earl Marischal in as -built form? I always thought this one looked the more imposing of the 2 originals, with Walschaerts valvegear. Is Hornby still pursuing the "Design Clever" avenue, or have they gone back to producing "full-spec" super-detailed models? Rick Roper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted June 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) Having bought the excellent model of Cock O' The North in detailed form, I wonder if Hornby have any plans to produce Earl Marischal in as -built form? I always thought this one looked the more imposing of the 2 originals, with Walschaerts valvegear. Is Hornby still pursuing the "Design Clever" avenue, or have they gone back to producing "full-spec" super-detailed models? Rick Roper. C ot N really is only a "Railroad" level model but available in two levels of finish. It does muddy the water somewhat, sitting between true "Railroad" locos and the proper top spec range. IMHO it's a pity they didn't do a "full fat" version as well. Keith Edited June 11, 2015 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 That really is very handsome, and I do like the weathered and detailed model Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 ...IMHO it's a pity they didn't do a "full fat" version as well... Then again, some of us feel that the 'full fat' version should be of the so very sexy production form. Very clever to have garnered all the sales possible on 'early thoughts' first, because most folks would never have looked at that given the free choice between the two forms. IMCUO, YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted June 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 12, 2015 So perhaps Hornby do indeed know what they are doing despite the opinions in the direct marketig thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grob1234 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Hello folks, going back to the motor replacement issue. I notice that the 5 pole motor option is one way of improving the stickiness at move off with the P2. However, I was wondering if anyone has replaced the motor with a non Hornby motor? Eg a really nice high spec smooth motor? I admit I haven't read through the whole 93 pages of the topic, so please forgive me if this has already been covered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grob1234 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Or, to put it another way, does anyone have dimensions of the Hornby x6644 motor, in order to find a suitable Mashima replacement? Looks like I could incorporate the flywheel on the rear of a Mashima too, to give this loco the smoothness it deserves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted June 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2015 Then again, some of us feel that the 'full fat' version should be of the so very sexy production form. Very clever to have garnered all the sales possible on 'early thoughts' first, because most folks would never have looked at that given the free choice between the two forms. IMCUO, YMMV. And some of us might say "What? Another Mallard clone. Personally I prefer the original front (and the original W1) Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 The service sheets give good clues as to other possible variants. (It's certainly designed to produce more than what we have seen, and looking closely I even think another wheel arrangement could appear). Design clever I don't know, but it's a clever design. Is it possible for you to show us (those who don't have a P2) a picture of the service sheet? Or are you referring to the ones online? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDJR7F88 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Another little running session featuring the Hornby Railroad LNER P2, 'Cock O' The North', hauling a rake of 6 Super Detail LNER Teaks.Hope you enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_7DK5hAI0k 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) I have just been looking at the Hornby website, which shows a re-issue of the Railroad version of the P2 scheduled for 23rd June. Obviously this is now passed, and I wonder if anyone has a feel for when or if this might occur. My own interest is spurred by the BR resprays seen earlier in this thread, for which the cheaper Railroad item is ideally suited. Many thanks, John. Edited June 27, 2015 by John Tomlinson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dominion Posted July 4, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 4, 2015 Hello folks, going back to the motor replacement issue. I notice that the 5 pole motor option is one way of improving the stickiness at move off with the P2. However, I was wondering if anyone has replaced the motor with a non Hornby motor? Eg a really nice high spec smooth motor? I admit I haven't read through the whole 93 pages of the topic, so please forgive me if this has already been covered. Only some of the 3 pole flywheel motors are sticky. Once I got hold of a good one I think it runs as well as the chassis in which I had installed the Hornby 5 pole motor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grob1234 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Thanks Dominion, sadly the motor in my P2 is a sticky one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Never looked back since putting the 5 pole Hornby motor in as shown in my video. Its far better than the horrid original offering and the loco runs perfectly. No need for the capacitors really! I have found they make only the slightest difference. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grob1234 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Nice vid Mike, I saw it previously. Gave me the inspiration to maybe try a non Hornby product instead. Maybe one day! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) In answer to my own question at #2330, the arrival date on the Hornby website for the next batch of Railroad P2's has been amended to 20th August. We will see if this actually happens! John. Edited July 16, 2015 by John Tomlinson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 16, 2015 No need for the capacitors really! I have found they make only the slightest difference. The capacitors are only for radio/tv interference suppression, they should not affect the running of the loco. If you are using a decoder it probably doesn't matter whether they are in or out. Different decoder manufacturers have varying advice on whether to remove or not! Keith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 In answer to my original question, the next release of the Railroad version is now in stock at Hereford Model Centre, for £72.95 plus postage. Advertised by them on Ebay, they had four remaining which has now dropped to three! John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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