Modelling a traditional parcels train

[montyburns56]

1 hour ago, woodenhead said:

Interesting time progress from 1970

 

1978 - half the building on the left has gone, replaced with scrap Mk1s and the siding where the 40 was stabled is out of use

 

Then 1984, the building completely gone and some track lifted

 

 

But it seems the van body that looks pre-grouping had survived.

 

Also by 1984 all the NPCSS stock is either a Mk1 BG or a GUV, all the older stuff and anything 4 wheeled has gone.

 

Well they might not be in that picture, but there were Red Star CCTs being used on Red Bank trains up until 1987 at least.

 

 

[Steven B]

Make that 1988:

Sunday Papers At Gledholt. by Neil Harvey 156, on Flickr

 

Steven B.

[montyburns56]

I found this one from Nov 87 with the CCTs actually in the sidings, plus the local "Starlet".

 

 

[woodenhead]

A short OT, just to bring us up to date with the stock situation at Red Bank Carriage Sidings....I don't think we'll be seeing anymore ECS from there.  Several thousand homes (I guess they mean flats) are going up.  And that looks like a turntable and pit that has been unearthed.

 

 

Edited September 14, 2023 by woodenhead

[Enterprisingwestern]

Too much to hope I suppose that the turntable pit will be preserved as a nod to the sites heritage, it would make a nice little playground for the estate.

 

Mike.

[woodenhead]

I'm hoping Martin Zero got to take a look at it before it went and has a video on it for posterity - given this is on Google Earth I am presuming by now it's gone.  He's done an old gasworks in the same area recently that was being demolished, possibly as part of a similar plan of works.

[montyburns56]

54 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

Too much to hope I suppose that the turntable pit will be preserved as a nod to the sites heritage, it would make a nice little playground for the estate.

 

Mike.

 

Or a communal hot tub.

[montyburns56]

20 hours ago, woodenhead said:

A short OT, just to bring us up to date with the stock situation at Red Bank Carriage Sidings....I don't think we'll be seeing anymore ECS from there.  Several thousand homes (I guess they mean flats) are going up.  And that looks like a turntable and pit that has been unearthed.

 

 

 

You can see it marked on the 1940-70s NLS map.

 

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.7&lat=53.49249&lon=-2.23565&layers=193&b=1

 

[Steven B]

Newspaper train rather than parcels, but nice to see a monster and a couple of Siphons at the head of the train:

14Sep77. Taplow. Brush Class 31 31241 (Ex D5668). [Slide_D045] by Mr_Western, on Flickr

[montyburns56]

Huddersfield 1977 by Arnie Furness

 

 

[montyburns56]

Does anyone know exactly when the CCTs were finally withdrawn?

 

Leeds City Feb 1988 by AndrewHAs

 

 

 

[Steven B]

My 1988 Ian Allan Combined Volume lists 20, all in Red Star branded blue. None are listed in the 1989 Combined Volume.

 

Some did survive as internal user vehicles. An RTC liveried one lasted in Derby until at least the mid 90s. Blue ones could be spotted at Oxford and Three Bridges in the early 2000s.

 

Steven B

[coronach]

On 15/09/2023 at 16:05, montyburns56 said:

Huddersfield 1977 by Arnie Furness

 

 

Must be one of the last LNER long CCTs in service. The roof is significantly repatched

[Flood]

43 minutes ago, coronach said:

Must be one of the last LNER long CCTs in service. The roof is significantly repatched

One of the last 15 left. E1348 was withdrawn in July 1978, the last few went in the September.

[Flood]

23 hours ago, montyburns56 said:

Does anyone know exactly when the CCTs were finally withdrawn?

 

Rail Magazine states the following withdrawal dates:

94899 on 16/6/88

94112, 94173, 94176, 94119 (error should be 94219), 94239, 94298, 94303, 94307, 94314, 94335, 94458, 94590, 94783, 94792, 94817, 94892, 94919 on 13/7/88

[Rugd1022]

'Brit' 70034 at Bolton-le-Sands in July 1966, photo by Dave and Jenny Hill...

 

 

 

[Steven B]

More North West parcels, 1967 & 1968 style:

13CT08-36a by Vernon Sidlow, on Flickr

 

13CT09-01a by Vernon Sidlow, on Flickr

 

11CT02-14b by Vernon Sidlow, on Flickr

Edited September 19, 2023 by Steven B

[Rugd1022]

31 307 with some Siphon Gs in tow on the up through road at Reading on 13th July 1976...

 

 

[Halvarras]

On 21/02/2023 at 13:12, Steven B said:

Maroon Mk1 CCT in 1971 sandwiched between two SR vans, complete with BR Arrows and Rail Alphabet font lettering:

(John Turner on Flickr)

 

Steven B.

 

On 23/02/2023 at 10:06, Rugd1022 said:

 

That's a corker - if you modelled it no-one would believe it was real unless you presented them with this photo!

 

Well, somebody had to, especially if said person had a Lima model already repainted and lined but with an awful varnish coat so in need of a couple of coats of Klear anyway, plus the required transfers on a late 1970s MTK sheet:

Humbrol BR Maroon (painted way back....), Modelmaster lining, SMS 'CCT', MTK 'buff' (their word) dimensions/weight data and scrawled destination, Replica numbers (the 'W' is white and '94822' straw, as per the prototype, although the difference hardly shows alas) and MTK logo/branding. The latter only just fits around and within the detail, and to achieve this I had to separate the four main parts, trim them as close as possible and apply where they would fit (but still in a straight line!) so not exactly as per the real thing, which I believe was one of those with the ends painted maroon  - they're black on mine because my supply of Humbrol maroon paint is long gone, and Railmatch doesn't (match the Humbrol I mean). 

This Lima model is fitted with Hornby 12.1mm disc wheels. Stock of this vintage on my layout (sadly still packed away after a house move 3.5 years ago - long story) is all single-ended hence the coupling hook at one end only - I use (and one day will use again, he says hopefully......) a magnetic uncoupling pole.

 

I discovered John Turner's remarkable photo on RMweb a few years ago and thought that I must get the model and the MTK transfers together at some point, as this was such an oddball combination (as @Rugd1022 says you'd hardly believe it without photographic evidence) and it finally happened just a few months ago.

 

Anyone with a copy of 'The Book of the Warships' (Irwell press) will find this vehicle lurking behind D819 'Goliath' at Gloucester Central on 9/10/69 (page 159). [Veering off-topic for a moment, flip to page 175 and D827 'Kelly' on a Penzance - Wolverhampton service (1M39) at Plymouth in June 1968 with an ex-LMS 'porthole' BSK in blue/grey livery behind the loco - I've seen a rear 3/4 photo of D827 taken at the time which identifies the coach as M26986M, in case this is of interest to anyone. I wonder if this had just been added at Plymouth or it had made it to Penzance and back? If it did I may well have seen one or two of these blue/grey 'portholes' in Cornwall but never realised the significance - just as with the three Hawksworth b/g SKs which I must have seen, and possibly even ridden in. It took choc/cream Mark 1 BSK W34885 in July 68 to wake me up to coaching stock - bit late by then for the old stuff. But not parcels stock, which veers neatly back on-topic!]

[Rugd1022]

Here's that WR choc & cream BSK you mentioned above, seen at Sheffield Midland in 1968...

 

 

And a nice DMU + vans lash up passing through Southall on the up relief...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Rugd1022

[johnofwessex]

1 hour ago, Rugd1022 said:

Here's that WR choc & cream BSK you mentioned above, seen at Sheffield Midland in 1968...

 

 

And a nice DMU + vans lash up passing through Southall on the up relief...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting to see that ATC rather than AWS was in use, despite it being in the Rail Blue era

 

But is that only a single power car, if so that's a very heavy trailing load

[Halvarras]

1 hour ago, Rugd1022 said:

Here's that WR choc & cream BSK you mentioned above, seen at Sheffield Midland in 1968...

 

 

And a nice DMU + vans lash up passing through Southall on the up relief...

 

 

Hauled by D1932 in green - built 1966, blue by mid-1968 (reason unknown) so green photos very rare indeed.

 

13 minutes ago, johnofwessex said:

 

But is that only a single power car, if so that's a very heavy trailing load

 

Two power cars, lead vehicle will be either W50819 or W50862, the other W50872 or W50915. Still a heavy load though, this must have been close to the limit.....

[Vanfit]

I have previously posted this on the Basingstoke Shed topic, but thought a wider airing might be appreciated. A typically assorted selection of van types.

 

Were they called Van Trains, not Parcel Trains on the SR, I remember train crew, platform staff and signalmen referring to them as such, for instance the Bournemouth vans or the Waterloo vans etc.

 

76067 looking smart on a Salisbury to Basingstoke vans at Worting Junction, very close to the end of steam on the SR.

 

 

[D.Platt]

There’s a good variety of vans in that formation.

[The Johnster]

I make it Fruit D/mk1 CCT/LMS CCT/Gresley BG/PMV or Southern CCT/2x mk1 BG/Siphon G.